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How to store substrate? +Tips Thread!
    #27136830 - 01/09/21 05:01 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Hello friends!

I am here because I am wondering where/how to properly store my pasteurized substrate if I don't use all of it when layering my first monotub'(s)

Would a 5 gallon bucket with a lid and plastic wrap around the edge do?

How do you store unused substrate that's ready to use?

Also since this is my FIRST thread here on this seemingly legendary forum...
Id like to propose a general tips thread.
I am open to ANY good advice, tips growing techniques, or tek's to watch out for.
If this thread is in the wrong section, please direct me to the correct one; And thank you all in advance!


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: FuriousCaps]
    #27136961 - 01/09/21 07:35 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Reading these threads from the beginning until your eyes are bleeding helped me a lot:

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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Sold Out Online] * 1
    #27137036 - 01/09/21 08:23 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

what is your substrate? If if its just coir, it can sit in that bucket for a month. Is it pasteurized poo?


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27137140 - 01/09/21 09:07 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

I store my coir in the tubs I made it in with warm tap water until I use it then I make more. No need to pasteurize or sterilize coir, never had a single issue. All my tub contams set in well after 100% BE.


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Substrate [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27138927 - 01/10/21 02:38 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

My Substrate is a mix of vermiculite, gypsum and dehydrated horse manure however I did order a brick of coir just in case I felt like throwing some in or trying it in a different batch for comparison.

I'm not too worried about how long its good for, since I'll just use it up if I have extra; not scared of some extra work. I'm just scared of contam happening despite all of my psychotic efforts to try to maintain a sterile room environment.


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Professor X]
    #27138929 - 01/10/21 02:40 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

You use ONLY coir as a sub? I'm confused; Why do you not feel the need to pasteurize/sterilize your substrate... also BE?


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: FuriousCaps]
    #27138937 - 01/10/21 02:48 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

if there is just coir and verm store it in a bucket its last forever. If it has manure, straw, or other things that need pasteurizing then load it into bags and freeze it.


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: kanemush]
    #27138941 - 01/10/21 02:53 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

i freeze all my sub which is staw and horse manure. but if your only growin cubes there is absolutely no need for any straw ir nanure at all. a simple 50/50 coir verm sub prepped and stored as stated is just fine


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: FuriousCaps] * 1
    #27139195 - 01/10/21 08:30 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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You use ONLY coir as a sub? I'm confused; Why do you not feel the need to pasteurize/sterilize your substrate... also BE?




For cubes, coir is perfect. No need to pasteurize coir works perfect just the way it is.


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27139872 - 01/10/21 01:38 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

What do you use for spawn with this method? and do you add ANY gypsum? I'm confused as to where the nutrients for the mushroom are?


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: jcm4620]
    #27139878 - 01/10/21 01:41 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Dethaw technique?
Room temp and let it sit in a sterile environment like a box? or what? break up into chunks and use frozen? let dethaw in spawn box?


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: FuriousCaps]
    #27139886 - 01/10/21 01:45 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Elementary Coir Tek
You don't need to use any gypsum, I do use verm though.


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27140010 - 01/10/21 03:02 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Read through Bods' Easy As Fuck TEKs (they're actually easy as fuck). This link covers everything from BRF cakes, agar, how to prep grain and coir, to harvesting. Well written, easy to follow with plenty of pictures. Don't store manure, even if it's been pasteurized. Use it or lose it. Cheers, mate


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: FuriousCaps]
    #27141019 - 01/10/21 11:28 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

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You use ONLY coir as a sub? I'm confused; Why do you not feel the need to pasteurize/sterilize your substrate... also BE?



I don't care to play with shit, tried that didn't make a difference. Got better results from plain coir than coir verm and coir is easy af. Takes 5 minutes to prep and I get 10kg dry bricks for 16 bucks. BE 100% or better first flush. Spawn to fruit 7 to 10 days KSSS monoculture.


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Professor X]
    #27141031 - 01/10/21 11:38 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I really hope I don't get bashed for not knowing this already; but holy fuck.. big words.
What does BS stand for and KSSS?
I am beginning to understand what a monoculture is.. kind of.
Not asking for a fleshed out explanation; more like a link to a thread? or even just acronym standings, and a basic rundown?.


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: FuriousCaps]
    #27141046 - 01/10/21 11:48 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Here you go mate, your very own shroomery glossary! BE is defined in there (Biological Efficiency) and how to calculate it. Basically it's a way to see if you're getting everything out of a grow that you can, if that makes any sense..

KSSS is Koh Samui Super Strain. It's a variety of cubensis from Thailand. I used to know where there was a list of all the mushroom variety acronyms was but I've lost it...There's a shitload of them that I still don't know. Cheers, mate


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27141066 - 01/11/21 12:03 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Coir is much better for continual use.. I use to use straw/hpoo and coir is soooOooOooOoOo much easier and your house won’t smell like you’re cooking aged shit.. but to answer your original question, I wouldn’t store pasteurized manure in a sealed container.. just make sure there’s some gas exchange

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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27141140 - 01/11/21 01:05 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Quote:

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You use ONLY coir as a sub? I'm confused; Why do you not feel the need to pasteurize/sterilize your substrate... also BE?




For cubes, coir is perfect. No need to pasteurize coir works perfect just the way it is.




Why risk all your hard work to not pasteurize though? Seems risky 2 me... some coir bricks come with trich ya know.  it has beneficial bacteria for plants


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Blazer420]
    #27141146 - 01/11/21 01:15 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Fungi spores have difficulty germinating in coir however mycelium loves it so it makes an excellent substrate. Some peeps pasteurize, some don’t its personal preference. I will however say that it hydrates way more easily if you use hot or boiling water, and if you’re already going that far might as well pasteurize it. That’s my thinking anyway so I normally just end up doing the bucket tek and pasteurizing it that way.


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27141163 - 01/11/21 01:46 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

For me, I’ve had a TON of bad experience with dirty verm.. at least that’s where I suspected the problem to come from, so adding boiling water to the CV is mainly to help me sleep at night and not worry that the verm is actually going to fack me over, not the coir.  Besides, I can wait the little extra time.. I can see how it’s be annoying to ppl cycling the shit out of tubs though.. if that were me, I’d probably give the warm water a shot but not worth my anxiety.. I usually bucket the night before anyway so wait times aren’t even an issue either way.

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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: fahtster]
    #27141169 - 01/11/21 01:57 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

@ faht, Have you done just straight coir without verm with good results before? Or never tried it? That is a little concerning knowing there is dirty verm out there.. Does this mean pasteurizing mixed coir & verm as well lol? :goat:


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Blazer420]
    #27141372 - 01/11/21 07:11 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I don’t want to scare anyone that’s having success not boiling.. it was years ago when we were casing with straight verm.  I haven’t used non-heat treated verm in years so I don’t have anything to compare it to recently and like I said, it’s for my own anxieties, But it’s something to think about.

I haven’t done straight coir but I’ve definitely considered it.. ppl say it works great

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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: FuriousCaps]
    #27141771 - 01/11/21 11:01 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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What do you use for spawn with this method? and do you add ANY gypsum? I'm confused as to where the nutrients for the mushroom are?


Dozens of growers on this site have run side-by-side grows that all came to the same conclusion, Gypsum does not provide any benefits to a shrooms growth. its only use seems to be helping to prevent clumping in overly hydrated grains.
any properly prepped and colonized grain can be used as spawn, your grain will provide ALL of the nutrients needed for the complete growth cycle.....from spore germination to fruiting and spore drop. the substrate should be non-nutritive, its main purpose is to provide water.


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: normalperson]
    #27143076 - 01/12/21 02:01 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

I have 2 slow cookers that I pasteurize in. Both hold a 650g brick of coir+2 quarts of verm if needed to get to field capacity. I also keep 1 pasteurized brick+verm in a myco bag for top layers for a few weeks depending on my rotation.

So.. Hydrate 1 brick coir in a stock pot with 3 liters hot water for a day or so. When expanded add desired amount of verm to reach field capacity. Pasteurize in slow cooker @160F for whatever time suits your needs. I'm usually 3 hours and mix with spawn within 1-2 days. So at any given time I have 3 bricks of coir prepped for 2 mono's + a top layer. If I want to plan ahead or the schedule gets screwed up I can freeze a myco bag until needed.


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #27144095 - 01/12/21 03:26 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

You don't pasteurize at 170 or higher? seems sus to me but if it works for you no need to scare.


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: normalperson]
    #27144101 - 01/12/21 03:29 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

That's so interesting to me, Just the grains and maybe some LME does pretty much all the work huh? I'm just looking to grow QUALITY... and QUANTITY soo I'm trying out a few different things to attempt to get the best of the best. Going to try to isolate a few different "genetics" I believe its called, in agar. Then once I transfer those a few times go for different grain/spawn types with different nutrient mixes and see what happens. Anyone had good results using coffee? grounds or just brewed?


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Re: How to store substrate? +Tips Thread! [Re: Professor X]
    #27144112 - 01/12/21 03:38 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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I store my coir in the tubs I made it in with warm tap water until I use it then I make more. No need to pasteurize or sterilize coir, never had a single issue. All my tub contams set in well after 100% BE.




I hate to go BACK to this now.. But I'm starting to understand it. What you're saying is your tubs don't get any type of contam on them using JUST unpasteurized coir as sub, until you've gotten at least your substrates weight worth of fresh mushrooms out of the tub. So your contams don't even start until you're halfway done fruiting. Correct?

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