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Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism * 2
    #27136182 - 01/08/21 07:59 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

https://georgiamemo.com/2020/12/07/raphael-warnocks-own-writings-reveal-his-open-support-for-marxism/

Now, past writings and teachings of Warnock have revealed why: he openly supports both Marxism and socialism. His own words also underscore why Loeffler during the debate continually referred to him as “radical liberal Raphael Warnock.”

For example, Warnock — in his 2014 book entitled The Divided Mind of the Black Church — proudly praised Marxism.

“To be sure, the Marxist critique has much to teach the black church,” Warnock wrote, before subsequently lauding Marxism’s “important role in the maturation of black theology” through showing “interconnectivity of racial and class oppression.” He also asserted Marxism “provided critical tools for a black church that has yet to awaken to a substantive Third World consciousness.”

Warnock outward’s adulation for Marxism is not a singular occurrence. In fact, that very same book exposed the heavy influence Marxism has on Warnock in general. In the book’s bibliography, Warnock cited three Marxist works: The Black Church and Marxism: What Do They Have to Say to Each Other?, Black Christians and Marxism, and Black Theology and Marxism.

All three of those books were authored by Dr. James Cone.

Warnock’s writings reveal that he has been an acolyte of Cone going back to Warnock’s senior year of high school, when he wrote a paper on Cone’s book, For My People: Black Theology and the Black Church.

In the aforementioned The Black Church and Marxism, which was cited by Warnock, Cone said Marxism is “right in its critique of capitalism” and called on black churches to “take a stand against capitalism and for Democratic Socialism.”

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Re: Senator-elect Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27136187 - 01/08/21 08:03 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Look noted reading comprehensionist hamhead is now a literary critic.

I don’t see anything that you’ve quoted that indicates his open support for Marxism.


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Re: Senator-elect Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #27136236 - 01/08/21 08:20 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

whats wrong with marxism?


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Re: Senator-elect Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: split_by_nine] * 2
    #27136268 - 01/08/21 08:29 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Nothing is, unless you go by Red Scare brainwashing.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #27136298 - 01/08/21 08:41 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Marxism is frequently used by people as a theoretical framework to criticize capitalism, even though they often do not advocate revolutionary Marxism.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27136307 - 01/08/21 08:44 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Unfortunately.

Leftists do too much to fight each other when they need to consolidate into a single voting bloc.

Which would, by definition, be antithetical to leftism.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kryptos]
    #27136311 - 01/08/21 08:45 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

:zoneout:


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: split_by_nine]
    #27136425 - 01/08/21 09:23 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I always get a good laugh when I hear about Marxism being used to try to help black people in some way, when Marx certainly did not like black people. Or "lazy mexicans" either :lol:

The guy was a loser though. No wonder losers look up to him.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #27136436 - 01/08/21 09:27 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

source?


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #27136464 - 01/08/21 09:41 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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I always get a good laugh when I hear about Marxism being used to try to help black people in some way, when Marx certainly did not like black people. Or "lazy mexicans" either :lol:

The guy was a loser though. No wonder losers look up to him.




Lol. People are still talking about Marx 150 years later, meanwhile the loser you voted for is spending his evening desperately trying to tweet from any account he can, and getting shut down left and right.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
    #27136505 - 01/08/21 10:11 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Hooray for censorship in America!


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27136517 - 01/08/21 10:18 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I wonder if you may someday take one of your principled stands to defend someone who isn’t a fucking monster.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #27136525 - 01/08/21 10:25 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Good. Now I'm even more glad that he won.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
    #27136539 - 01/08/21 10:35 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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I wonder if you may someday take one of your principled stands to defend someone who isn’t a fucking monster.



I'm not defending Trump.  I defending freedom of speech in America.

But I know your position - More censorship means we're freer!  Hooray for censorship in America!


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27136544 - 01/08/21 10:39 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Are you allowed to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater? No.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27136554 - 01/08/21 10:44 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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I wonder if you may someday take one of your principled stands to defend someone who isn’t a fucking monster.



I'm not defending Trump.  I defending freedom of speech in America.

But I know your position - More censorship means we're freer!  Hooray for censorship in America!




You’re not defending Twitters freedom of speech you’re defending trumps. After he incited a riot and insurrection that got at least five people killed. Get some fucking perspective.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods] * 3
    #27136557 - 01/08/21 10:46 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

If someone consistently plays the devils advocate, eventually you have to conclude they actually like the devil.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27136568 - 01/08/21 10:52 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

You have become lost in your own rhetoric here. You think forcing people to copy trumps words and distribute them is freedom.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27136588 - 01/08/21 11:04 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Thoughts?




Sounds like he is well read and well educated, maybe he could loan Trump some reading material while he's hiding out over the next 2 weeks.
It's never too late to get an education.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #27136600 - 01/08/21 11:14 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Are you allowed to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater? No.



No, and you shouldn't be allowed to do that.

I'll say it again since you seem to have missed it:

I totally agree calls to violence should be banned.

I'm ok with banning speech that actively incites violence

I'm ok with censoring calls to violence


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
    #27136605 - 01/08/21 11:15 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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You’re not defending Twitters freedom of speech you’re defending trumps. After he incited a riot and insurrection that got at least five people killed. Get some fucking perspective.



I'll ask for at least the 3rd time.  Do you have any Trump posts that called for a riot?


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
    #27136607 - 01/08/21 11:18 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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You have become lost in your own rhetoric here. You think forcing people to copy trumps words and distribute them is freedom.



Twitter automatically posts what you say; no one's being "forced" to do anything.  People have to manually go in and determine if a post should be blocked.

I get your point, we just strongly disagree.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27136614 - 01/08/21 11:24 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Twitter automatically posts what you say; no one's being "forced" to do anything. 



But you're ok with forcing Twitter to keep something on their site after they determine they don't want it to be.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #27136619 - 01/08/21 11:33 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

See this post.

I'll ask for at least the fourth time, does anyone have an example of a Trump tweet calling for violence?


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27136624 - 01/08/21 11:38 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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See this post.

I'll ask for at least the fourth time, does anyone have an example of a Trump tweet calling for violence?



I don't give a fuck what he said. Twitter has the right to determine what they allow on their site. It doesn't need to conform to your arbitrary standards.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #27136634 - 01/08/21 11:51 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

At this point, maintaining that the election was stolen is a call for violence.
It's like a mob boss saying "Somebody ought to deal with that guy" with a wink.
It's not overt, but his supporters -if the last few days are anything to go by- know what he's asking for.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Lynnch] * 2
    #27136639 - 01/08/21 11:57 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Even if Twitter is wrong about his tweets inciting violence it's still their site and they have the right to determine what they want on it. Being factually correct is not a requirement for that.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #27136642 - 01/09/21 12:03 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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I don't give a fuck what he said. Twitter has the right to determine what they allow on their site. It doesn't need to conform to your arbitrary standards.



I think censorship would be fine on small sites that aren't near monopolies.  But I think there should be rules against censorship on mega sites like Facebook and Twitter.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27136645 - 01/09/21 12:05 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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I think censorship would be fine on small sites that aren't near monopolies.  But I think there should be rules against censorship on mega sites like Facebook and Twitter.



They're not monopolies. There are alternatives and nobody is stopping his followers from going where he goes.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #27136675 - 01/09/21 12:40 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Ok then you agree Donald trump should be banned.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27136685 - 01/09/21 12:49 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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I don't give a fuck what he said. Twitter has the right to determine what they allow on their site. It doesn't need to conform to your arbitrary standards.



I think censorship would be fine on small sites that aren't near monopolies.  But I think there should be rules against censorship on mega sites like Facebook and Twitter.




Congress can make no laws abridging the right to free speech. That’s what you want congress to do... in the name of free speech. You’re such a ridiculous person.

There is nothing monopolistic about Twitter. It’s a pretty simple service that doesn’t really do anything special.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #27136731 - 01/09/21 02:01 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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I think censorship would be fine on small sites that aren't near monopolies.  But I think there should be rules against censorship on mega sites like Facebook and Twitter.



They're not monopolies. There are alternatives and nobody is stopping his followers from going where he goes.



Tell that to Congress:
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The House Judiciary subcommittee on antitrust determined Facebook wields monopoly powers in social network and has maintained its position by acquiring, copying or killing its competitors, according to a report the group released on Tuesday.

The report concluded “Facebook’s monopoly power is firmly entrenched and unlikely to be eroded by competitive pressure from new entrants or existing firms.” Facebook is entrenched as a monopoly due to its strong network effects, high switching costs for users and the company’s significant data advantage.

In particular, the report noted that Facebook shores up its monopoly by identifying competitors that could pose a threat to the company and either acquiring them, copying them or killing them.




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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
    #27136732 - 01/09/21 02:03 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Congress can make no laws abridging the right to free speech. That’s what you want congress to do... in the name of free speech. You’re such a ridiculous person.



Yes, I want free speech for millions, you want censorship power for a mega-corporation.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27136735 - 01/09/21 02:10 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

If trump wants to express his free speech, he can stand on the corner with a sign like the rest of us.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27136743 - 01/09/21 02:22 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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koods said:
Congress can make no laws abridging the right to free speech. That’s what you want congress to do... in the name of free speech. You’re such a ridiculous person.



Yes, I want free speech for millions, you want censorship power for a mega-corporation.




Neither twitter or Facebook are necessary for free speech.

And yes, I’m all for censoring people who incite violence. Im for censoring people who libel and slander. I’m all for censoring people who are committing fraud.

I think public forums like twitter have a duty to not let themselves be used to spread lies and misinformation.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods] * 2
    #27137004 - 01/09/21 08:01 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

So is it a public forum or a private forum?

Like it or not social media is the new public commons, being banned from any of those platforms is a serious socioeconomic disadvantage. I’m all for deplatforming fascists like trump, but the public should be deciding these things, not Jack and mark zuckerberg.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27137109 - 01/09/21 08:54 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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You have become lost in your own rhetoric here. You think forcing people to copy trumps words and distribute them is freedom.



Twitter automatically posts what you say; no one's being "forced" to do anything.  People have to manually go in and determine if a post should be blocked.

I get your point, we just strongly disagree.




It automatically posts things that people say and stores that on servers Twitters pays for.

From here on out, I get to tell you what you can delete from your C drive. It preserves freedom of speech.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27137125 - 01/09/21 09:02 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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So is it a public forum or a private forum?

Like it or not social media is the new public commons, being banned from any of those platforms is a serious socioeconomic disadvantage. I’m all for deplatforming fascists like trump, but the public should be deciding these things, not Jack and mark zuckerberg.





There is a stark and very clear difference between public and private forum in the physical world, it's no different in the digital world.

You can for instance carry a sign around in a publically owned park saying basically whatever you want assuming you have the permits to do so, but if you carry that into a mall space (like a shopping mall), you'd likely get ejected immediately. It's notable that mall spaces generally have private police forces where public spaces have to rely solely on publically funded policing. Additionally, the public perception is that mall spaces and publically owned spaces have the same first amendment protections, when this clearly isn't the case legally. I actually wrote my Master's dissertation on this. In summary, most American's have no fucking clue how the increasingly privatization of public space actually decreases their access to many of their "god given" rights they are so entitled to. Privately owned digital forums are the same. There are no protections on Twitter or Facebook. They are free to privately police content as they please. Just like throwing somebody out of the mall for appearing poor isn't illegal, it's just down right despicable, mall cops have every right to do so based solely on own having the authority to police that ground. There are of course limits, but first amendment rights aren't them.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #27137141 - 01/09/21 09:08 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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So is it a public forum or a private forum?

Like it or not social media is the new public commons, being banned from any of those platforms is a serious socioeconomic disadvantage. I’m all for deplatforming fascists like trump, but the public should be deciding these things, not Jack and mark zuckerberg.



It's a public forum.  That's why Twitter should not be forced to store, maintain, and publish speech that its owners don't agree with.  That would be repugnant to the First Amendment.  It would be no different than making you hold a Trump sign every time you go to the park.

If the government wants to make a social media website, I'm all for that.  Forcing a private one to say what the government deems important is not something that I will ever support.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27137303 - 01/09/21 10:07 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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So is it a public forum or a private forum?

Like it or not social media is the new public commons, being banned from any of those platforms is a serious socioeconomic disadvantage. I’m all for deplatforming fascists like trump, but the public should be deciding these things, not Jack and mark zuckerberg.




Why deplatform anyone?  Let the court of people opinion determine the success of that platform.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: qman]
    #27137318 - 01/09/21 10:12 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

That's why twitter should be free to choose.  If the public doesn't like their favorite accounts being banned, twitter will fail and another platform will arise.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27137329 - 01/09/21 10:15 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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That's why twitter should be free to choose.  If the public doesn't like their favorite accounts being banned, twitter will fail and another platform will arise.




Yes, in a perfect world with a perfect free market economic system, you would be correct.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: qman]
    #27137333 - 01/09/21 10:19 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

I'm correct in this system.  Twitter is now.  In 10 years, it'll be irrelevant.  This shit comes and goes so fast in the internet age that no company can afford to alienate large groups of people.  Maybe Parler will become the next big thing.  Probably not, but maybe. 

If it's really a big problem, the Federal government could very easily create a social media platform.  It wouldn't cost that much, and anyone could use it without fear of censorship.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil] * 3
    #27137341 - 01/09/21 10:23 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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So is it a public forum or a private forum?

Like it or not social media is the new public commons, being banned from any of those platforms is a serious socioeconomic disadvantage. I’m all for deplatforming fascists like trump, but the public should be deciding these things, not Jack and mark zuckerberg.



It's a public forum.  That's why Twitter should not be forced to store, maintain, and publish speech that its owners don't agree with.  That would be repugnant to the First Amendment.  It would be no different than making you hold a Trump sign every time you go to the park.

If the government wants to make a social media website, I'm all for that.  Forcing a private one to say what the government deems important is not something that I will ever support.





Nah we should just nationalize them, they’re too intrinsic to the human experience at this point to be controlled by private interests for profit. Same argument I make for the airlines.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27137352 - 01/09/21 10:28 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

That's fine.  The government can buy twitter for fair market value as a "taking."  I'm sure stockholders would be fine with that.


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    #27137375 - 01/09/21 10:37 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Why not let the business make the rules and the public gets to vote with their continued patronage.


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Why not let the business make the rules and the public gets to vote with their continued patronage.



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That's why twitter should be free to choose.  If the public doesn't like their favorite accounts being banned, twitter will fail and another platform will arise.




Yes, in a perfect world with a perfect free market economic system, you would be correct.




There are plenty of other options that would serve for people to express themselves. Instagram. Facebook. Are people outraged that Instagram doesn’t allow nudity, but twitter allows hardcore porn? Isnt instagram violating someone’s free speech?

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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27137398 - 01/09/21 10:46 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Are you allowed to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater? No.



No, and you shouldn't be allowed to do that.

I'll say it again since you seem to have missed it:

I totally agree calls to violence should be banned.

I'm ok with banning speech that actively incites violence

I'm ok with censoring calls to violence




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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #27137436 - 01/09/21 11:03 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Trump says he might start his own platform.

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    #27137439 - 01/09/21 11:06 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

a free speech zone for sure


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Are you allowed to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater? No.



No, and you shouldn't be allowed to do that.

I'll say it again since you seem to have missed it:

I totally agree calls to violence should be banned.

I'm ok with banning speech that actively incites violence

I'm ok with censoring calls to violence




Hi Falcon, my boy!

You don't see what Trump did as a call to violence?



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27137472 - 01/09/21 11:18 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Hooray for censorship in America!




twitter and facebook are private companies and can censor anyone they wish.

donald trump is the president of the usa. if he has something to say, he can easily do it at the podium, uncensored, with hundreds of cameras rolling.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Are you allowed to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater? No.



No, and you shouldn't be allowed to do that.

I'll say it again since you seem to have missed it:

I totally agree calls to violence should be banned.

I'm ok with banning speech that actively incites violence

I'm ok with censoring calls to violence




Hi Falcon, my boy!

You don't see what Trump did as a call to violence?




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    #27137550 - 01/09/21 12:10 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Don Jr. is on twitter talking about how free speech is dead.


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    #27137560 - 01/09/21 12:17 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

too be honest, i think most people should be banned from twitter. its just a bunch of garbage posts and adverts.


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If trump wants to express his free speech, he can stand on the corner with a sign like the rest of us.



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    #27137577 - 01/09/21 12:26 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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It's a public forum.  That's why Twitter should not be forced to store, maintain, and publish speech that its owners don't agree with.  That would be repugnant to the First Amendment.  It would be no different than making you hold a Trump sign every time you go to the park.



No, it wouldn't be the same, because people understand that whoever makes a Twitter post or holds a sign in public is the responsible for that content of that.

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If the government wants to make a social media website, I'm all for that.  Forcing a private one to say what the government deems important is not something that I will ever support.



No.  Not "Forcing a private one to say what the government deems important".  Allowing private citizens to say whatever they want without being censored (again, provided they are not inciting violence, etc).


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    #27137590 - 01/09/21 12:35 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Are you allowed to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater? No.



No, and you shouldn't be allowed to do that.

I'll say it again since you seem to have missed it:

I totally agree calls to violence should be banned.

I'm ok with banning speech that actively incites violence

I'm ok with censoring calls to violence




Hi Falcon, my boy!

You don't see what Trump did as a call to violence?



Hey wooof!  Welcome back, it's great to see you again!!!  I really missed you here.  You were one of the smart ones who predicted the Russia hoax and other such nonsense.

I asked anyone to post what Trump said that called for a coup, and the best people could come up with was he called for a protest at the capitol.  Maybe you can show me how Trump called for a violent takeover?  At least something more obvious than what HamHead posted, which nobody seemed too concerned about:



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    #27137605 - 01/09/21 12:40 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Hooray for censorship in America!



twitter and facebook are private companies and can censor anyone they wish.

donald trump is the president of the usa. if he has something to say, he can easily do it at the podium, uncensored, with hundreds of cameras rolling.



You may not have noticed, but the mainstream media tends not to publish anything against their establishment narrative.


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I should have bought stock in whataboutism last week



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    #27137611 - 01/09/21 12:42 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

trumps supporters are out in full combat gear and "trump calls on the crowd to "fight like hell" and urges them to march on the Capitol, which many of them then did."

what did you think these nutjobs would do? their "leader" says GO TO THE CAPITAL AND FIGHT LIKE HELL.


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Hooray for censorship in America!



twitter and facebook are private companies and can censor anyone they wish.

donald trump is the president of the usa. if he has something to say, he can easily do it at the podium, uncensored, with hundreds of cameras rolling.



You may not have noticed, but the mainstream media tends not to publish anything against their establishment narrative.




yeah, ive noticed lol. whats your point? twitter and fb are not the only lines of communication for a sitting president.


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    #27137634 - 01/09/21 12:58 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

God. This argument was stupid the last 10 times we had it, and it's even more stupid now.

Trump incited a riot. Playing stupid and acting like his words had nothing to do with it is just, well, stupid.


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trumps supporters are out in full combat gear and "trump calls on the crowd to "fight like hell" and urges them to march on the Capitol, which many of them then did."

what did you think these nutjobs would do? their "leader" says GO TO THE CAPITAL AND FIGHT LIKE HELL.



I thought they would call for the release of all the voting related information that the courts wouldn't release because they didn't have evidence of fraud.


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    #27137641 - 01/09/21 01:01 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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God. This argument was stupid the last 10 times we had it, and it's even more stupid now.

Trump incited a riot. Playing stupid and acting like his words had nothing to do with it is just, well, stupid.




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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: split_by_nine] * 2
    #27137642 - 01/09/21 01:02 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Edit. Off topic.

I started reading into Marxism and it's interesting stuff. I'm not finished but I'm reading about consciousness, human needs, socio-economic structure, etc.

I have mixed feelings about ownerships.

Like, I don't believe I own my own meat vehicle. But that's on some superficial spiritual levels. Doing away with all human desire. Which my ego says is stupid because me meat vehicle needs things.

It's a touchy subject and I'm currently out.

I'll continue reading to make up my own mind to see why people are saying Marxism is 'bad'.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: split_by_nine] * 1
    #27137646 - 01/09/21 01:04 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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God. This argument was stupid the last 10 times we had it, and it's even more stupid now.

Trump incited a riot. Playing stupid and acting like his words had nothing to do with it is just, well, stupid.




:whathesaid:



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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trumps supporters are out in full combat gear and "trump calls on the crowd to "fight like hell" and urges them to march on the Capitol, which many of them then did."

what did you think these nutjobs would do? their "leader" says GO TO THE CAPITAL AND FIGHT LIKE HELL.



I thought they would call for the release of all the voter information that the courts wouldn't release because they didn't have evidence of fraud.




well, you have to go through the proper channels and file the right paperwork. not climb through the windows of the capital building and steal items from senator's desks.

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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: HamHead]
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trumps supporters are out in full combat gear and "trump calls on the crowd to "fight like hell" and urges them to march on the Capitol, which many of them then did."

what did you think these nutjobs would do? their "leader" says GO TO THE CAPITAL AND FIGHT LIKE HELL.




There was a scheduled rally at the Capitol. There were already people there when Trump was speaking.

I'm hearing it was a small group who were acting out. Video of a guy bashing a window and a red hat pulling him down.

Also, I hear BLM/ANTIFA were planning to be there.




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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: split_by_nine] * 2
    #27137662 - 01/09/21 01:18 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Of course it was a call to violence. That’s not even debatable, since the violence in question is not hypothetical and we have the receipts demonstrating the link between his tweet and the violence

Some posts on a pro trump forum from mid December referring to trumps “come to to dc and be wild” tweet








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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods] * 1
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hilarious. man, i cant imagine being so brainwashed and willfully ignorant.



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods] * 1
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That's why twitter should be free to choose.  If the public doesn't like their favorite accounts being banned, twitter will fail and another platform will arise.




Yes, in a perfect world with a perfect free market economic system, you would be correct.




There are plenty of other options that would serve for people to express themselves. Instagram. Facebook. Are people outraged that Instagram doesn’t allow nudity, but twitter allows hardcore porn? Isnt instagram violating someone’s free speech?

Nothing about ones right to free speech implies they have a right to a platform.




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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: split_by_nine]
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hilarious. man, i cant imagine being so brainwashed and willfully ignorant.





That's from the 2006 movie "Idiocracy".  :lol:


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    #27137684 - 01/09/21 01:30 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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God. This argument was stupid the last 10 times we had it, and it's even more stupid now.

Trump incited a riot. Playing stupid and acting like his words had nothing to do with it is just, well, stupid.





If someone has his exact words, I'd love to see it. Is this going to be open to interpretation, like the Bible or something?


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: qman]
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i dont use twitter or IG or FB or tiktok, etc, so it really doesnt bother me one way or the other. hate speech will reach the ones its directed towards with or without social media or governmental interference.


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hilarious. man, i cant imagine being so brainwashed and willfully ignorant.





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I just posted proof a few post up. I can’t say if his intent was to incite a riot, but his words did incite a riot


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods] * 1
    #27137706 - 01/09/21 01:43 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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I just posted proof a few post up. I can’t say if his intent was to incite a riot, but his words did incite a riot



Just like Trump 'incited' a few idiots to drink bleach.  :shake:


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    #27137718 - 01/09/21 01:50 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

There was more than a few idiots. And they weren’t drinking bleach. They were attacking the Capitol. People knew what was going to happen. Everyone around DC was told to avoid the mall and Capitol on Wednesday because violence was expected. My mother called me and demanded I not be in the city on Wednesday. This wasn’t some freak event. it was planned. In the open.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods] * 1
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I'm not arguing whether something like that was planned, it was.  I'm questioning whether it's what Trump actually called for.


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do you think Trump is in support of what happened at the capital?  he certainly did very little to prevent it.


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    #27137744 - 01/09/21 02:10 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

We can only infer that. Up to debate. What is not up for debate isnthe fact that his tweet “be here and be wild” was interpreted as a call to arms. Marching orders. He certainly would have been made aware of his supporters plans by his national security team. Everyone knew what was planned. Instead of clarifying his intent, he held a rally where his lawyer told the crowd to engage in “trial by combat.” His sons girlfriend told them “stand by the courage of your convictions and fight.” Mo brooks told the crowd today was the day they start taking down names and kicking ass.

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Again, I'm not arguing that this wasn't a planned event by Trump supporters.


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    #27137749 - 01/09/21 02:14 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Playing a semantic game doesn't prove your point.
"He said they should walk to the capitol, not break in! Aha! Gotcha! He is absolved!"
No.
He has been radicalizing people for months with lies about a stolen election (years even if you consider the lies about the 2016 election.)
He spoke to the crowd, said he would be with them- tacitly endorsing whatever was planned.
That crowd marched to the capitol.
A woman in that crowd -wrapped in a flag with his name on it- died trying to break in to a secure area  For. Him.

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do you think Trump is in support of what happened at the capital?  he certainly did very little to prevent it.




Why were Capitol Hill police left alone to defend the capitol? There is no way law enforcement didn’t know about the plans to storm the building. This summer the national guard permanently patrolled the city, the city police protected the White House alongside the secret service, which has 1300 uniformed officers. There were mysterious agents of unknown origin patrolling the streets.

Why did it take 3 hours to even get permission to deploy the guard?


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Why didn’t they arrests the perpetrators inside the building? It certainly would have made everything easier, compared to having dozens of manhunts nationwide.

Do you think these guys really caught break not being arrested on the spot, considering a lot of them were likely armed? Illegal entering is a pretty mild charge compared to felony possession of a concealed weapon inside a federal office building.


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"He said they should walk to the capitol, not break in! Aha! Gotcha! He is absolved!"
No.



No, I asked for evidence that Trump wanted them to storm the capital.  I realize that is what many planned to do, but did Trump order them to?

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He has been radicalizing people for months with lies about a stolen election (years even if you consider the lies about the 2016 election.)
He spoke to the crowd, said he would be with them- tacitly endorsing whatever was planned.
That crowd marched to the capitol.
A woman in that crowd -wrapped in a flag with his name on it- died trying to break in to a secure area  For. Him.

Pretending to not see how these things are connected is just dishonest.



I get it.  And I get how people drinking bleach can be attributed to Trump.  But I don't think he wanted people to drink bleach.


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Why didn’t they arrests the perpetrators inside the building? It certainly would have made everything easier, compared to having dozens of manhunts nationwide.

Do you think these guys really caught break not being arrested on the spot, considering a lot of them were likely armed? Illegal entering is a pretty mild charge compared to felony possession of a concealed weapon inside a federal office building.



Ask the police, I don't know.  Maybe for their safety?


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    #27137776 - 01/09/21 02:29 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

I think he wanted people to storm the Capitol because he didn’t tell them not to, despite being aware that was planned.

This guy wrote about what he expected on 1/6/21 back on 12/20/20.

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The Capitol Police has 2200 officers, but I'm guessing they mostly aren't riot trained or SWAT types. The question here is if federal forces will be *allowed* to help them.

To be clear here, I don't think the 3%ers, Proud Boys, Oathkeepers or boogaloo types are going to seize the Capitol. But some of them are going try. And people will die.




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I think he wanted people to storm the Capitol because he didn’t tell them not to, despite being aware that was planned.



That's a possibility.  :shrug:


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    #27137798 - 01/09/21 02:39 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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do you think Trump is in support of what happened at the capital?  he certainly did very little to prevent it.




Like all cult leaders, he likes the power of influencing others into outrageous behavior without directly telling them to do so. Trump is a cult leader that quickly walks away from the ramifications of those indirect orders and the affects to his followers.


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Mob boss says "I have a gift for you"
The gift is a loaded gun.
Mob boss says "There is a business across town that disrespected us, it'd be a shame if something happened to it"
Did the mob boss order something to be done?
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We can only infer that. Up to debate. What is not up for debate isnthe fact that his tweet “be here and be wild” was interpreted as a call to arms. Marching orders. He certainly would have been made aware of his supporters plans by his national security team. Everyone knew what was planned. Instead of clarifying his intent, he held a rally where his lawyer told the crowd to engage in “trial by combat.” His sons girlfriend told them “stand by the courage of your convictions and fight.” Mo brooks told the crowd today was the day they start taking down names and kicking ass.

Trump supporters were selling shirts that said MAGA 1/6/21 Civil war.




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"He said they should walk to the capitol, not break in! Aha! Gotcha! He is absolved!"
No.



No, I asked for evidence that Trump wanted them to storm the capital.  I realize that is what many planned to do, but did Trump order them to?

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He has been radicalizing people for months with lies about a stolen election (years even if you consider the lies about the 2016 election.)
He spoke to the crowd, said he would be with them- tacitly endorsing whatever was planned.
That crowd marched to the capitol.
A woman in that crowd -wrapped in a flag with his name on it- died trying to break in to a secure area  For. Him.

Pretending to not see how these things are connected is just dishonest.



I get it.  And I get how people drinking bleach can be attributed to Trump.  But I don't think he wanted people to drink bleach.




But he suggested it as a possible cure, and he knows full well that some of his followers are completing lacking in judgment. How many times do we let him get away with increasing harm and violence, because he chooses his words trying to avoid direct criminality. He knows what he's suggesting and he knows that some people follow him blindly. He bears responsibility.


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do you think Trump is in support of what happened at the capital?  he certainly did very little to prevent it.




Like all cult leaders, he likes the power of influencing others into outrageous behavior without directly telling them to do so. Trump is a cult leader that quickly walks away from the ramifications of those indirect orders and the affects to his followers.




Kinda like his limousine ride; kinda disappointing he didnt storm the capital.


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But he suggested it as a possible cure...



Not really.  He asked if it might be possible to use as a cure.

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...and he knows full well that some of his followers are completing lacking in judgment.



Some are, but I think the stupidity of drinking bleach from Trump asking a question is beyond anything Trump should be responsible for.


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We can only infer that. Up to debate. What is not up for debate isnthe fact that his tweet “be here and be wild” was interpreted as a call to arms. Marching orders. He certainly would have been made aware of his supporters plans by his national security team. Everyone knew what was planned. Instead of clarifying his intent, he held a rally where his lawyer told the crowd to engage in “trial by combat.” His sons girlfriend told them “stand by the courage of your convictions and fight.” Mo brooks told the crowd today was the day they start taking down names and kicking ass.

Trump supporters were selling shirts that said MAGA 1/6/21 Civil war.




Some were wearing shirts in support of the holocaust.



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
    #27138812 - 01/09/21 11:56 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

I support free speech, and I also support a website monitoring its content. This is nothing new, the news outlets can twist their reporting however they like to suit their followers. I hate Facebook and I’ve never been on Twitter, but neither one is the only way for expression. If Twitter or Facebook censors you or any certain group of people, that just opens up an opportunity for someone else to come up with another social media platform that better suits them and others. If people don’t like FB or Twitter, they should quit using it and an alternative will come along and fill in the gap. FB and Twitter would take a big loss and somebody else would get rich. That’s the beauty of capitalism.

Same thing goes with the age old story of the baker refusing to make wedding cakes for gay weddings. He doesn’t have to conform, and after all of that I wouldn’t even want him to bake a cake unless I wanted it to look like a penis and everybody that eats it to get diarrhea. His refusal to bake the cake just opened up a world of opportunity for other bakers that would happily bake cakes for gay weddings, and advertise as such.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
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    #27138855 - 01/10/21 12:48 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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too be honest, i think most people should be banned from twitter. its just a bunch of garbage posts and adverts.



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Lynnch] * 4
    #27138875 - 01/10/21 01:14 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Playing a semantic game doesn't prove your point.
"He said they should walk to the capitol, not break in! Aha! Gotcha! He is absolved!"
No.
He has been radicalizing people for months with lies about a stolen election (years even if you consider the lies about the 2016 election.)
He spoke to the crowd, said he would be with them- tacitly endorsing whatever was planned.
That crowd marched to the capitol.
A woman in that crowd -wrapped in a flag with his name on it- died trying to break in to a secure area  For. Him.

Pretending to not see how these things are connected is just dishonest.



At this point, can any of us really expect Falcon to be intellectually honest on the forums? He consistently uses all sorts of dishonest rhetorical tactics whenever someone says something he doesn't like (his most predictable behavior pattern is deflecting just about any criticism of Donald Trump's actions). When you call him out on it, he'll literally call you a "poopoo head" and throw a temper tantrum, complaining about how everyone is ganging up on him. One time, when he was in the hot seat up against multiple other forum users, I even saw him create a poll in a thread asking who the most dishonest user on the forum was, hoping that people would vote for koods or some of his other regular adversaries over him. That's like some middle school shit right there.

The main thing that continues to surprise me about Falcon is his incredibly fragile ego. If you argue with him long enough, you will always get to a point where you realize that he doesn't really care about the truth, or about having a fruitful discussion, or about exchanging interesting ideas. What he really cares about is "being right." What he really cares about is "winning the argument." It's so ego-centric and kind of cringy to behold sometimes.

Sadly, I think this ego problem of his is just a piece in a much larger puzzle. Indeed, our entire society is suffering from a similar ego problem, and I don't know how much more progress we'll be able to make so long as that problem persists.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27138987 - 01/10/21 04:00 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

It must be hard to be wrong all the time :lol:

I think if he spent less time making every argument about him, he might have a better time.

But I'm glad he's around. Arguing with pris, zappa, and luvdem got old :lol:


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27139020 - 01/10/21 04:42 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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But he suggested it as a possible cure...



Not really.  He asked if it might be possible to use as a cure.

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...and he knows full well that some of his followers are completing lacking in judgment.



Some are, but I think the stupidity of drinking bleach from Trump asking a question is beyond anything Trump should be responsible for.




Are you honestly going to argue the semantic difference between "suggested it as a possible cure" and "and "He asked if it might be possible to use as a cure" when everyone knows that right afterwords morons in many areas of the country were promptly drinking bleach and disinfectants, which is documented by many poison control centers?

Obviously we're both talking about the bleach/disinfectants in relation to the attack on the Capital.

Personally I'm happy all this shit happened, because after the election, Trump or some other scumbag like him, could have arose in the GOP later. Not now. This bizarre moment in history is done. The GOP will have some of these nutjobs in congress but they will not nominate them for POTUS.


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    #27139124 - 01/10/21 07:27 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Some are, but I think the stupidity of drinking bleach from Trump asking a question is beyond anything Trump should be responsible for.




:nonono:

So are you saying Trump's words in his capacity as the President have nothing to do with influencing people or events?... what exactly are you trying to say Falcon?

What about Guiliani's behaviour at Trump's rally asking for trial by combat?
or
Ivanka Trump calling the rioters patriots?
or
Eric Trump threatening senators and congressmen?

That's Team Trump engaging in politics, they're not in the local bar talking shit, they aren't discussing football...

Is it ok that these high profile people blurt out this rubbish with no idea where it might lead? With no consequences? Is that what you're saying?

A mob arrived with a noose for Mike Pence because of the words delivered by Team Trump.

At what point do they need to take responsibility for their words? And who should it be? The janitor? What about the tea lady?

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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27139216 - 01/10/21 08:45 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Are you allowed to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater? No.



No, and you shouldn't be allowed to do that.

I'll say it again since you seem to have missed it:

I totally agree calls to violence should be banned.

I'm ok with banning speech that actively incites violence

I'm ok with censoring calls to violence




Hi Falcon, my boy!

You don't see what Trump did as a call to violence?



Hey wooof!  Welcome back, it's great to see you again!!!  I really missed you here.  You were one of the smart ones who predicted the Russia hoax and other such nonsense.

I asked anyone to post what Trump said that called for a coup, and the best people could come up with was he called for a protest at the capitol.  Maybe you can show me how Trump called for a violent takeover?  At least something more obvious than what HamHead posted, which nobody seemed too concerned about:






I suppose it is true that Trump didn't directly call for violence, but he called for a violent group to get involved in Washington politics, which is essentially calling for violence, in my book. I have heard that he was quite supportive of what they were doing as it was happening. He didn't use the national guard and try to stop it from going down the way it did.

Anyway, I'm a bit out of the loop on a lot of things these days. I hope you are well, friend.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27139708 - 01/10/21 12:29 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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At this point, can any of us really expect Falcon to be intellectually honest on the forums? He consistently uses all sorts of dishonest rhetorical tactics whenever someone says something he doesn't like (his most predictable behavior pattern is deflecting just about any criticism of Donald Trump's actions).



Can you please link to an example?  I keep asking for this over and over again, and I always get crickets.

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When you call him out on it, he'll literally call you a "poopoo head" and throw a temper tantrum, complaining about how everyone is ganging up on him.



No, I complain that other people are essentially calling me a poo poo head.  Like you're doing right now.  You've hurled a lot of insults, but you haven't backed them up with examples.  Why don't you link to a post of mine to show me what you're talking about?  I'll bet I'm met with crickets, as usual, or you'll use another "no I won't, because you're a poo poo head" type of excuse.

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One time, when he was in the hot seat up against multiple other forum users, I even saw him create a poll in a thread asking who the most dishonest user on the forum was, hoping that people would vote for koods or some of his other regular adversaries over him. That's like some middle school shit right there.



That was after another person called me the most dishonest poster here.  I asked for a specific example, which as usual, no one was able to provide, and my poll showed people thought koods was the most dishonest.  I can easily point to over 100 lies from koods on this forum.  Yet people are always unable to point to posts of mine that are dishonest; they just claim I am without backing themselves up, as you're doing now.  Can you post where I lied?

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The main thing that continues to surprise me about Falcon is his incredibly fragile ego.



I actually WANT constructive criticism.  But what happens is people like you make post like this one, essentially calling me a poo poo head, without a single link to an example to back yourself up.

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If you argue with him long enough, you will always get to a point where you realize that he doesn't really care about the truth, or about having a fruitful discussion, or about exchanging interesting ideas. What he really cares about is "being right." What he really cares about is "winning the argument." It's so ego-centric and kind of cringy to behold sometimes.



Again, can you provide an example?  What I see happening is the exact opposite - I point out other people's lack of evidence, and people get upset with me for not believing things like Trump-Russia collusion.  That was the big item that turned some of the forum against me, even though Mueller said "ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."  People were upset that I was right after years of calling me a conspiracy nut for wanting evidence..

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Sadly, I think this ego problem of his is just a piece in a much larger puzzle. Indeed, our entire society is suffering from a similar ego problem, and I don't know how much more progress we'll be able to make so long as that problem persists.



Sadly, I think the problem is everyone believing what they want to believe, and not caring about the evidence to support their assertions, such as this very post of yours.

I look forward to your examples, but I'll expect excuses or crickets, like I always get.  I WANT you to prove me wrong.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Lynnch]
    #27139713 - 01/10/21 12:30 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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It must be hard to be wrong all the time :lol:



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27139732 - 01/10/21 12:39 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Some are, but I think the stupidity of drinking bleach from Trump asking a question is beyond anything Trump should be responsible for.




:nonono:

So are you saying Trump's words in his capacity as the President have nothing to do with influencing people or events?... what exactly are you trying to say Falcon?



No, I'm absolutely NOT saying that.  I'm saying a very small number of stupid people were influenced to drink bleach, and I'm saying they were so stupid that I don't think Trump should be held liable.

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What about Guiliani's behaviour at Trump's rally asking for trial by combat?



What about it?  I already said "Maybe Giuliani's account should have been suspended?"

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or
Ivanka Trump calling the rioters patriots?



What about it?

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or
Eric Trump threatening senators and congressmen?

That's Team Trump engaging in politics, they're not in the local bar talking shit, they aren't discussing football...

Is it ok that these high profile people blurt out this rubbish with no idea where it might lead? With no consequences? Is that what you're saying?

A mob arrived with a noose for Mike Pence because of the words delivered by Team Trump.

At what point do they need to take responsibility for their words? And who should it be? The janitor? What about the tea lady?

Here's a crazy idea, how'bout the people in charge?



Why is that a crazy idea?  It sounds reasonable to me.  :shrug:


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #27139739 - 01/10/21 12:42 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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I suppose it is true that Trump didn't directly call for violence, but he called for a violent group to get involved in Washington politics, which is essentially calling for violence, in my book.



I hear your argument.  As I said to Stable Genius, we should hold people accountable.  Perhaps those who actually organized the coup.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27139769 - 01/10/21 12:55 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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I look forward to your examples, but I'll expect excuses or crickets, like I always get.



A self-fulfilling prophecy.

There are two reasons I don't link to posts and point out specific logical fallacies you make.

1) Whenever anyone does, you either deny it or you use more logical fallacies to change the subject of the conversation so it looks like you were the one being reasonable all along.

2) It's not worth my time. I have wayyyyyy better things to be doing with my life than digging through all of your rhetoric. I hope that one acts as a bit of a wakeup call.

If this conversation is anything like the other ones I (and other forum users) have had with you, then I anticipate your next tactic will be to claim that my refusal to participate in your pointless rhetorical game is evidence that you aren't actually dishonest and that I (and everyone else who has called you dishonest in the past) are all just biased by our own worldviews.

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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27139824 - 01/10/21 01:15 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I look forward to your examples, but I'll expect excuses or crickets, like I always get.



A self-fulfilling prophecy.

There are two reasons I don't link to posts and point out specific logical fallacies you make.

1) Whenever anyone does, you either deny it or you use more logical fallacies to change the subject of the conversation so it looks like you were the one being reasonable all along.



Can you link to an example, or is this just another "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" post?

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2) It's not worth my time. I have wayyyyyy better things to be doing with my life than digging through all of your rhetoric. I hope that one acts as a bit of a wakeup call.

If this conversation is anything like the other ones I (and other forum users) have had with you, then I anticipate your next tactic will be to claim that my refusal to participate in your pointless rhetorical game is evidence that you aren't actually dishonest and that I (and everyone else who has called you dishonest in the past) are all just biased by our own worldviews.

Every discussion you participate in is extremely predictable. The only thing that surprises me at this point is your persistence.



You're right.  No one ever links to examples, just like you're not doing.  Why would that not make me think I'm right?


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27139833 - 01/10/21 01:19 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

We have dozens of times. You only use it to reargue your nonsense dishonestly and claim to be right again. It's an exercise in futility.


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    #27139836 - 01/10/21 01:22 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Can you link to just one example of the "dozens" so I can see you're being honest?


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    #27139844 - 01/10/21 01:25 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

I decline your request because it'll just lead where it always leads. You'll pretend you weren't wrong and reargue the same dishonest points. No thanks.

If there's a discussion about Russia or Trump, we all know where you stand before you even know the facts.


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Asking for evidence doesn't make me "wrong" about Russia and Trump.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27139891 - 01/10/21 01:50 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

No but you repeatedly pickicking out subtle and effectively meaningless semantic irregularities definitely weakens your points. That's problem, you'd rather cherry pick a piece of language than answer with intellectually honest debate. I am not talking about Russia either, as I don't really have a horse in the race, but for the last 6 months or so (?) you have played these little games. Everybody is over it, and sure as hell, nobody wants to see a link from you to you.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27139896 - 01/10/21 01:53 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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I think if he spent less time making every argument about him, he might have a better time.

:lol:



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A mob arrived with a noose for Mike Pence because of the words delivered by Team Trump.

At what point do they need to take responsibility for their words? And who should it be? The janitor? What about the tea lady?

Here's a crazy idea, how'bout the people in charge?



Why is that a crazy idea?  It sounds reasonable to me.  :shrug:



So.. you do think that Trump is responsible for the riot on the 6th. Cool. Glad we got that settled.


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    #27139927 - 01/10/21 02:16 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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No but you repeatedly pickicking out subtle and effectively meaningless semantic irregularities definitely weakens your points. That's problem, you'd rather cherry pick a piece of language than answer with intellectually honest debate. I am not talking about Russia either, as I don't really have a horse in the race, but for the last 6 months or so (?) you have played these little games. Everybody is over it, and sure as hell, nobody wants to see a link from you to you.



Can YOU link to an example?  :shrug:


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27140009 - 01/10/21 03:01 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Go back a page and look at Brian’s post.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: christopera] * 1
    #27140098 - 01/10/21 04:00 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Go back a page and look at Brian’s post.



This is what Trump said:

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I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?  Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.



Clearly a question.


This is what Brian said:

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he suggested it as a possible cure



You don't see the difference?

If I heard what Trump said, there's no way I would take bleach.  If I heard what Brian said, and if I trusted Trump, and if I were stupid, I might consider it.


I think the most harmful statement came from Biden, who said:

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And when it comes to COVID-19, after months of doing nothing, other than predicting the virus would disappear, or maybe if you drank bleach you may be okay, Trump has simply given up.



Now THAT was dangerous to anyone who didn't hear what Trump actually said.



I can see your point about quibbling, though I just explained why I did, but that's a LOT different than lying, as koods, Enlil, and Nonagon Infinity are suggesting.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27140115 - 01/10/21 04:09 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

He didn’t tell people to take bleach. He told people he’s a moron.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
    #27140137 - 01/10/21 04:19 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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He didn’t tell people to take bleach. He told people he’s a moron.



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27140885 - 01/10/21 09:42 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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christopera said:
Go back a page and look at Brian’s post.



This is what Trump said:

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Trump said:
I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?  Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.



Clearly a question.


This is what Brian said:

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Brian Jones said:
he suggested it as a possible cure



You don't see the difference?

If I heard what Trump said, there's no way I would take bleach.  If I heard what Brian said, and if I trusted Trump, and if I were stupid, I might consider it.


I think the most harmful statement came from Biden, who said:

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Brian Jones said:
And when it comes to COVID-19, after months of doing nothing, other than predicting the virus would disappear, or maybe if you drank bleach you may be okay, Trump has simply given up.



Now THAT was dangerous to anyone who didn't hear what Trump actually said.



I can see your point about quibbling, though I just explained why I did, but that's a LOT different than lying, as koods, Enlil, and Nonagon Infinity are suggesting.







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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: christopera] * 2
    #27141153 - 01/11/21 01:24 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I decline your request because it'll just lead where it always leads.



This is exactly where I'm at when falcon demands evidence of his rhetorical dishonesty. Through my own personal experience of engaging with falcon, I've determined that providing him with the evidence he demands is a waste of my time. It's extremely repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with him using tactics to weasel his way back into a favorable position (rhetorically), where he's the one asking the questions and demanding proof.

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for the last 6 months or so (?) you have played these little games. Everybody is over it, and sure as hell, nobody wants to see a link from you to you.



I am a part of that "everybody". I'm just over it, man. Debating with falcon about these things is just not a fruitful conversation.

I guess I need to take a look in the mirror, though, to a certain extent. I know the healthiest thing to do is just to disengage, but I just... can't seem to stop. It's just so tempting to engage with falcon because some of the stuff he says is just so... disagreeable. Sometimes, he'll just say stuff where my reaction is like "... I can't let him get away with that!" Of course, from falcon's perspective, this is all just evidence of my own cognitive dissonance.

At first, it was entertaining for me to engage with falcon, but the novelty of seeing just how far someone will go to absolve Trump from criticism, defend a holocaust denier, push a conspiracy theory, and more wore off after a little bit and I'm just kinda tired of it. But I keep coming back for some reason. It's like an addiction.

I don't really respond to falcon anymore unless I'm having some type of meta-discussion about his behavior on the forums (like this one), but I think I'm going to have to start exercising some restraint in that regard because 1: it's off topic, and 2: it's just as unhealthy and repetitive as arguing with him about Trump, the holocaust, and conspiracy theories.

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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 2
    #27141879 - 01/11/21 11:45 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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This is exactly where I'm at when falcon demands evidence of his rhetorical dishonesty. Through my own personal experience of engaging with falcon, I've determined that providing him with the evidence he demands is a waste of my time. It's extremely repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with him using tactics to weasel his way back into a favorable position (rhetorically), where he's the one asking the questions and demanding proof.



Wow, I just asked for ONE SINGLE example, and instead I get a giant essay of "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" with a long list of excuses of why you won't do it, just like I expected.  I remember the days before Enlil was a mod when "burden of proof" used to be a thing here, but Enlil decided to allow koods to make believe anything he wanted in the name of "free speech", while at the same time defending the media's censorship of alternative news as "free speech", claiming "countless scholarly articles" agreed with him (though he never could find any when I requested it, though I had many articles in the que of how censorship of large private media companies actually endangers free speech).

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for the last 6 months or so (?) you have played these little games. Everybody is over it, and sure as hell, nobody wants to see a link from you to you.



I am a part of that "everybody". I'm just over it, man. Debating with falcon about these things is just not a fruitful conversation.

I guess I need to take a look in the mirror, though, to a certain extent. I know the healthiest thing to do is just to disengage, but I just... can't seem to stop. It's just so tempting to engage with falcon because some of the stuff he says is just so... disagreeable. Sometimes, he'll just say stuff where my reaction is like "... I can't let him get away with that!" Of course, from falcon's perspective, this is all just evidence of my own cognitive dissonance.

At first, it was entertaining for me to engage with falcon, but the novelty of seeing just how far someone will go to absolve Trump from criticism, defend a holocaust denier, push a conspiracy theory, and more wore off after a little bit and I'm just kinda tired of it. But I keep coming back for some reason. It's like an addiction.



Maybe because you can't find ONE SINGLE example to prove your point.

It's interesting how you think if you use the words "holocaust denier", "conpiracy theorist", etc then you get to automatically back out of any argument and declare yourself winner, without even getting into the actual material being discussed (notice the giant "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" response you gave me to the Douma discussion, again without A SINGLE EXAMPLE of what was wrong.  Hell, you even called Wikileaks a "highly questionable source of information" even though they've never been found to have released bad information, even when US Intelligence tried to discredit them with false information.

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I don't really respond to falcon anymore unless I'm having some type of meta-discussion about his behavior on the forums (like this one), but I think I'm going to have to start exercising some restraint in that regard because 1: it's off topic, and 2: it's just as unhealthy and repetitive as arguing with him about Trump, the holocaust, and conspiracy theories.



There you go again, more "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" without a single example.  You cling to the words "holocaust" and "conspiracy theories" hoping that means you win.  But in reality, the things I've been called a conspiracy theorist for, I've turned out to be right about.  And when I beg people to tell me what I've been shown wrong about, I'm ALWAYS met with crickets.

You can choose to make another "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" post, you can provide actual examples (I hope you pick that one), or you can put your tail between your legs and be silent.  The choice is yours.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27141896 - 01/11/21 11:52 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Wow, I just asked for ONE SINGLE example,




This time.  This is like the 10th time you've done so and gotten examples before.  As a result, you've asked for multiple examples and they've always gone the same way....You reargue indefensible points and then declare victory.  It's boring as fuck.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27141929 - 01/11/21 12:14 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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This is exactly where I'm at when falcon demands evidence of his rhetorical dishonesty. Through my own personal experience of engaging with falcon, I've determined that providing him with the evidence he demands is a waste of my time. It's extremely repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with him using tactics to weasel his way back into a favorable position (rhetorically), where he's the one asking the questions and demanding proof.



Wow, I just asked for ONE SINGLE example, and instead I get a giant essay of "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" with a long list of excuses of why you won't do it, just like I expected.  I remember the days before Enlil was a mod when "burden of proof" used to be a thing here, but Enlil decided to allow koods to make believe anything he wanted in the name of "free speech", while at the same time defending the media's censorship of alternative news as "free speech", claiming "countless scholarly articles" agreed with him (though he never could find any when I requested it, though I had many articles in the que of how censorship of large private media companies actually endangers free speech).




Dude, it's a paragraph, it's not an essay. Additionally, I never called you a "poo poo head". That's your language. I clearly said that engaging with you is repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with you using tactics to weasel yourself back into a favorable position (rhetorically), which is exactly what you're doing right now. I'm not insulting you or name-calling or anything of that nature, but you're definitely trying to characterize me as doing that with your "poo poo head" comment. I've always been respectful towards you, even when I criticize your arguments. You always do this. You act like you're being persecuted when all we're doing is criticizing your arguments and ideas.

Telling you that that you're using dishonest rhetorical tactics is not calling you a "poo poo head." It's a criticism of your behavior, not of your character or your humanity. Your claim that I'm calling you a "poo poo head" is exactly the sort of dishonest rhetorical tactic I'm talking about. It's an obvious attempt to characterize me as a childish mudslinger, rather than a rational interlocutor, therefore placing yourself in a favorable position, rhetorically. Do I really need to provide proof of your tactics when you're literally employing them right now?!

This is literally the exact behavior I predicted.

You also called me a liar earlier in this thread, which I don't particularly appreciate. Of course, your (predictable) response to this will be that I was the one who started the name-calling, and that you were really just stooping down to my level. Yawn.

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You can choose to make another "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" post, you can provide actual examples (I hope you pick that one), or you can put your tail between your legs and be silent.  The choice is yours.



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27141979 - 01/11/21 12:46 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Wow, I just asked for ONE SINGLE example,



This is like the 10th time you've done so and gotten examples before.



Source, or make believe?


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27141997 - 01/11/21 12:56 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I'm done feeding your need for attention.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27142030 - 01/11/21 01:19 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I never called you a "poo poo head". That's your language.



Obviously it's my language.  I'm saying that making accusations about me without backing them up with actual evidence is the equivalent to being calling me a poo poo head.

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I clearly said that engaging with you is repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with you using tactics to weasel yourself back into a favorable position (rhetorically), which is exactly what you're doing right now.



Me repeatedly asking you for evidence to back your assertions is "weaseling"?  I disagree.

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I'm not insulting you or name-calling or anything of that nature, but you're definitely trying to characterize me as doing that with your "poo poo head" comment.



When you say things about me without backing them up with evidence as I've requested, while I back my own statements up with evidence (see links in my previous post), that's kindeegarten to me.

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I've always been respectful towards you, even when I criticize your arguments. You always do this. You act like you're being persecuted when all we're doing is criticizing your arguments and ideas.



Respectfully saying I'm dishonest, without providing examples, is disrespectful to me.  I WANT constructive criticism, but with actual examples.

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Telling you that that you're using dishonest rhetorical tactics is not calling you a "poo poo head." It's a criticism of your behavior, not of your character or your humanity. Your claim that I'm calling you a "poo poo head" is exactly the sort of dishonest rhetorical tactic I'm talking about. It's an obvious attempt to characterize me as a childish mudslinger, rather than a rational interlocutor, therefore placing yourself in a favorable position, rhetorically. Do I really need to provide proof of your tactics when you're literally employing them right now?!



So do you have evidence of your claims, or don't you?  If not, I consider it childish behavior, same as calling me a poo poo head.  Get it?

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This is literally the exact behavior I predicted.



Me too.  You HATE it when I ask for evidence.  :shrug:

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You also called me a liar earlier in this thread, which I don't particularly appreciate. Of course, your (predictable) response to this will be that I was the one who started the name-calling, and that you were really just stooping down to my level. Yawn.



Did I?  I couldn't find that post, can you help?  I have a feeling you're leaving out important context.

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You can choose to make another "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" post, you can provide actual examples (I hope you pick that one), or you can put your tail between your legs and be silent.  The choice is yours.



Or, I can choose door number 3: disengage from this pointless, exhausting, repetitive conversation.



I'm just asking for ONE example of my dishonesty.  But if that's too much, fine.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
    #27142044 - 01/11/21 01:30 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I never called you a "poo poo head". That's your language.



Obviously it's my language.  I'm saying that making accusations about me without backing them up with actual evidence is the equivalent to calling me a poo poo head.

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I clearly said that engaging with you is repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with you using tactics to weasel yourself back into a favorable position (rhetorically), which is exactly what you're doing right now.



Me repeatedly asking you for evidence to back your assertions of me is "weaseling"?!?

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I'm not insulting you or name-calling or anything of that nature, but you're definitely trying to characterize me as doing that with your "poo poo head" comment.



When you say things about me without backing them up with evidence as I've requested, while I back my own statements up with evidence (see links in my previous post), that's kindeegarten to me.

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I've always been respectful towards you, even when I criticize your arguments. You always do this. You act like you're being persecuted when all we're doing is criticizing your arguments and ideas.



Respectfully saying I'm dishonest, without providing examples, is disrespectful to me.  I WANT constructive criticism, but with actual examples of dishonesty.

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Telling you that that you're using dishonest rhetorical tactics is not calling you a "poo poo head." It's a criticism of your behavior, not of your character or your humanity. Your claim that I'm calling you a "poo poo head" is exactly the sort of dishonest rhetorical tactic I'm talking about. It's an obvious attempt to characterize me as a childish mudslinger, rather than a rational interlocutor, therefore placing yourself in a favorable position, rhetorically. Do I really need to provide proof of your tactics when you're literally employing them right now?!



So do you have evidence of your claims, or don't you?  If not, I consider it childish behavior, just like calling me a poo poo head.  Get it yet?

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This is literally the exact behavior I predicted.



Me too.  I keep asking for evidence of my dishonesty over and over, and you keep making excuses not to provide any.

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You also called me a liar earlier in this thread, which I don't particularly appreciate. Of course, your (predictable) response to this will be that I was the one who started the name-calling, and that you were really just stooping down to my level. Yawn.



I couldn't find that post.  I suspect if I said it there was some context, like "if you don't back your claims with evidence, then it appears you're lying".  But please show me what I said.

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You can choose to make another "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" post, you can provide actual examples (I hope you pick that one), or you can put your tail between your legs and be silent.  The choice is yours.



Or, I can choose door number 3: disengage from this pointless, exhausting, repetitive conversation.



It's repetitive because I keep asking for evidence of your accusations, and you keep making excuses why you won't.  Just provide one example of my dishonesty and we're done.  You'd rather write essays (ok, multiple paragraphs :rolleyes:) of why you won't.


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    #27142046 - 01/11/21 01:31 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I'm done feeding your need for attention.



I actually hate the attention, I simply wanted an example, not post after post of why I won't get one.  I knew you wouldn't provide it.  It's easier to keep calling me dishonest than to find an actual example.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #27142078 - 01/11/21 01:50 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Dishonesty like this:

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Did they not find suspicious activity though?  What about the Dominion machines finding a 68% error rate?  Do we just accept koods' excuse of "End of story. Clearly that expert was an idiot."?

And now we have new evidence of fraud.  Are we going to dismiss that as well, or should we maybe check into it?





Pretending that the only response you got was "End of story. Clearly that expert was an idiot." is dishonest. It requires you to ignore the response I gave you one hour after you first brought it up, and it requires you to ignore the response IdiotCircusBoy gave you when you were still touting that debunked report several weeks later. That is dishonest, and it's why no one even cares about responding to you anymore.

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    #27142095 - 01/11/21 01:58 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I don't know why you decided to so completely torpedo your reputation on this forum but congratulations you played yourself.



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I don't give a fuck what he said. Twitter has the right to determine what they allow on their site. It doesn't need to conform to your arbitrary standards.



I think censorship would be fine on small sites that aren't near monopolies.  But I think there should be rules against censorship on mega sites like Facebook and Twitter.


yep face book, twtter an other social site are getting on the information band wagon an it dont help they are shutting down other sites that do not go with there agenda of cencership.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27142116 - 01/11/21 02:07 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Thank you for engaging in an actual conversation, shivas.  :heart:

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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27142123 - 01/11/21 02:11 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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But please show me what I said.




You're welcome to read through it yourself if that's how you want to spend your time.

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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
    #27142130 - 01/11/21 02:14 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I don't know why you decided to so completely torpedo your reputation on this forum but congratulations you played yourself.




I've been pondering this.  I liked FW a lot when I first started on here (and lurked a lot more).  Balanced, cleverly constructed arguments, reasonable... 

In the past year or so though... wew lad.  Differing standards of evidence depending on his viewpoint. 
E.g. Election fraud, no evidence - "Why not look, no smoke without fire, Democrats should welcome investigations and audits", Novichok poisoning, verified confession from would be assassin - "Yeah, but how did they fail, if it's so deadly?  Why would they want to?"

The structured, cross referenced, harking back, essay long rebuttals centred on the most minor details in an argument.

The persistent defence of Russia/Putin, repeated callbacks to Trump/Russia, the Novichok poisonings.

The sheer volume of effort that goes into holding positions that really don't hold up to great scrutiny.

The sloganeering "source or make believe" "poo poo head"

I've concluded he's now a paid shill, it's honestly my only rational conclusion, and it makes me a little bit sad.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27142620 - 01/11/21 07:52 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Dishonesty like this:

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Did they not find suspicious activity though?  What about the Dominion machines finding a 68% error rate?  Do we just accept koods' excuse of "End of story. Clearly that expert was an idiot."?

And now we have new evidence of fraud.  Are we going to dismiss that as well, or should we maybe check into it?



Pretending that the only response you got was "End of story. Clearly that expert was an idiot." is dishonest. It requires you to ignore the response I gave you one hour after you first brought it up, and it requires you to ignore the response IdiotCircusBoy gave you when you were still touting that debunked report several weeks later. That is dishonest, and it's why no one even cares about responding to you anymore.



Sorry for the delay - I had a busy day at work.

Neither your response nor IdiotCircusBoy's addressed the 68% error rate at all, they just dismissed a cybersecurity company, ASOG, as having "no apparent expertise in election administration and technology."  Remember, koods reply was - "Clearly that expert was an idiot"?  You both essentially argued the same thing, so to me I was correct in asking if we should just accept that reponse.  If I missed where the 68% error rate was explained in the posts you just linked to, please fill me in (note - I KNOW the explanation for the error, which I didn't see in the 2 replies you just linked to).

THIS is EXACTLY the problem.  Trying to explain the problem away by saying a cybersecurity firm has "no apparent expertise" doesn't go very far in convincing someone who believes the election was rigged.

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I don't know why you decided to so completely torpedo your reputation on this forum but congratulations you played yourself.



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #27142630 - 01/11/21 08:07 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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But please show me what I said.




You're welcome to read through it yourself if that's how you want to spend your time.



I read through it three times and couldn't find it.  The closest I found is where I said you suggested I was lying.

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I'm kind of with Enlil at this point. I'm done feeding your insatiable hunger for attention. Arguing with you just isn't worth the time. If you take that as a victory (as you have asserted with your "tail between the legs" comment), then I concede to you completely. You won. Congratulations, you're the best at the Internet.



I hate the attention, but I'll defend myself (with links, unlike yourself) if I read something that's not true.  Like I'm about to do with my next post...


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Guy1980] * 1
    #27142656 - 01/11/21 08:27 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I liked FW a lot when I first started on here (and lurked a lot more).  Balanced, cleverly constructed arguments, reasonable... 

In the past year or so though... wew lad.  Differing standards of evidence depending on his viewpoint. 
E.g. Election fraud, no evidence - "Why not look, no smoke without fire, Democrats should welcome investigations and audits", Novichok poisoning, verified confession from would be assassin - "Yeah, but how did they fail, if it's so deadly?  Why would they want to?"



Glad you brought this up.  I ALWAYS ask for evidence because "burden of proof" is a fundamental part of any discussion that's been lost in this forum (and I guess people hate to be reminded).  If you make a claim, you need to back it up with evidence, period.  At no point did I claim there was definitive proof of election fraud, and I've made that clear many times.  What I pointed out is that I was disappointed in how poorly people responded to those who thought they had proof, calling such people conspiracy theorists or dismissing them as being idiots instead of giving a good explanation.  I enjoy rational debate, and maybe it's a fault of mine to ask people to do better than calling someone an idiot.  With respect to the Navalny poisoning, I said this:

"The interview looks damning, and right now I'd say we finally have decent evidence."

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The structured, cross referenced, harking back, essay long rebuttals centred on the most minor details in an argument.



Details are often important.  If details alter the meaning of an argument, I'll focus on them.

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The persistent defence of Russia/Putin, repeated callbacks to Trump/Russia, the Novichok poisonings.

The sheer volume of effort that goes into holding positions that really don't hold up to great scrutiny.

The sloganeering "source or make believe"...



Burden of proof, my friend.  It's a necessary part of debate.

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..."poo poo head"



When someone calls me a conspiracy theorist for demanding proof, I'll point out that has about the same effect as calling me a poo poo head.

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I've concluded he's now a paid shill, it's honestly my only rational conclusion, and it makes me a little bit sad.



Me and Putin are best buds (I'm joking before you accuse me of lying).


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
    #27143030 - 01/12/21 01:16 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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...the loser you voted for is spending his evening desperately trying to tweet from any account he can, and getting shut down left and right.



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Hooray for censorship in America!



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I wonder if you may someday take one of your principled stands to defend someone who isn’t a fucking monster.



Ron Paul just got shut down on Facebook.  Is he a monster?  He opposes war and defends civil liberties:

https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1348694943905308672


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27143041 - 01/12/21 01:21 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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I read through it three times and couldn't find it.  The closest I found is where I said you suggested I was lying.




My bad, falcon. I legitimately misread that comment, and I thought you were accusing me and the other users you listed of being liars. Honest mistake, and you have my apology there.

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I hate the attention, but I'll defend myself (with links, unlike yourself) if I read something that's not true.  Like I'm about to do with my next post...



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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27143051 - 01/12/21 01:31 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Fair enough, that's kind of what I guessed.  Thanks for the reply.  :thumbup:


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    #27143057 - 01/12/21 01:40 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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Ron Paul just got shut down on Facebook.  Is he a monster?  He opposes war and defends civil liberties:

https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1348694943905308672



I still haven't found the explanation.  Does anyone else know what he did?


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27143094 - 01/12/21 02:38 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Facebook said it was removing content and users that have been pushing “stop the steal” lies.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
    #27143196 - 01/12/21 05:34 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Imagine if your idol was people like Roger Stone. This will be looked at as one of the most pathetic political movements in US history.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Imagine if your idol was people like Roger Stone. This will be looked at as one of the most pathetic political movements in US history.




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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
    #27143857 - 01/12/21 01:13 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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Maybe Parler will become the next big thing.  Probably not, but maybe.



Parler is down completely right now..

It looks like Telegram Messenger could be the next big thing:

Trump supporters flock to messaging app Telegram after Parler goes offline
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Telegram became the second-most downloaded app in America on Sunday as users looked for a new home online after Mr Trump was suspended from Facebook and Twitter, and as tech companies cut off Parler, a free speech social network that had sprung up as an alternative.




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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27143871 - 01/12/21 01:22 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Good for them!  I'm glad you guys have a place to discuss how great Trump is.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
    #27143920 - 01/12/21 01:48 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Telegram is an app started in Russia, and is currently Russia's biggest social networking app.

In June 2020, they won a major legal battle against the FSB:

Telegram: Russia lifts ban on private messaging app after it 'agrees to help with extremism investigations'

That's what American censorship will get you.  :shrug:


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27143976 - 01/12/21 02:17 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Sounds like the 1st Amendment is working as intended.  If Twitter suffers from their choices, so be it.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
    #27144015 - 01/12/21 02:38 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

I wonder how long it will take for people to figure out they're downloading Russian spyware on their phone


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    #27144031 - 01/12/21 02:46 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

During the lawsuit, Telegram moved from Russia to the United Arab Emirates, and they won their lawsuit against the FSB to not have to give up information to the Russian Government unless it relates to Russia's counter terrorism operations.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27144037 - 01/12/21 02:51 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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Sounds like the 1st Amendment is working as intended.  If Twitter suffers from their choices, so be it.




I believe Twitter has lost something like 6% of their total value over the last day or two.


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    #27144045 - 01/12/21 02:54 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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Ron Paul just got shut down on Facebook.  Is he a monster?  He opposes war and defends civil liberties:

https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1348694943905308672



I still haven't found the explanation.  Does anyone else know what he did?




Shouldn't matter. Ron Paul is an ardent opponent of Net Neutrality, and believes businesses should have the final say.

Sucks for Ron Paul. Maybe he should rethink his core political opinions if he thinks that he should have a Facebook account.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #27144062 - 01/12/21 03:04 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Maybe the conservatives should push for a federally run Twitter like app, so they can keep spewing what they please.


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    #27144065 - 01/12/21 03:06 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

I'm fully in favor of this idea. Or the government should buy Twitter.


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    #27144088 - 01/12/21 03:20 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Big brother is watching you, but brother will accept the shittalk.


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    #27144155 - 01/12/21 04:21 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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I believe Twitter has lost something like 6% of their total value over the last day or two.



They lost 15% since Monday last week.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #27144171 - 01/12/21 04:27 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

On the one hand, I'm sure that some executives are freaking out.

On the other hand, when you lose nazis, is that really a loss?


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15% is a small price to pay.


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Sounds like the 1st Amendment is working as intended.  If Twitter suffers from their choices, so be it.




I believe Twitter has lost something like 6% of their total value over the last day or two.



Meh it’s back to where it was a month ago


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    #27144207 - 01/12/21 04:55 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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Ron Paul just got shut down on Facebook.  Is he a monster?  He opposes war and defends civil liberties:

https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1348694943905308672



I still haven't found the explanation.  Does anyone else know what he did?




Shouldn't matter. Ron Paul is an ardent opponent of Net Neutrality, and believes businesses should have the final say.

Sucks for Ron Paul. Maybe he should rethink his core political opinions if he thinks that he should have a Facebook account.




Same with trump


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On the other hand, when you lose nazis, is that really a loss?




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