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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27142123 - 01/11/21 02:11 PM (3 years, 17 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: But please show me what I said.
You're welcome to read through it yourself if that's how you want to spend your time.
I'm kind of with Enlil at this point. I'm done feeding your insatiable hunger for attention. Arguing with you just isn't worth the time. If you take that as a victory (as you have asserted with your "tail between the legs" comment), then I concede to you completely. You won. Congratulations, you're the best at the Internet.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: shivas.wisdom] 3
#27142130 - 01/11/21 02:14 PM (3 years, 17 days ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: I don't know why you decided to so completely torpedo your reputation on this forum but congratulations you played yourself.
I've been pondering this. I liked FW a lot when I first started on here (and lurked a lot more). Balanced, cleverly constructed arguments, reasonable...
In the past year or so though... wew lad. Differing standards of evidence depending on his viewpoint. E.g. Election fraud, no evidence - "Why not look, no smoke without fire, Democrats should welcome investigations and audits", Novichok poisoning, verified confession from would be assassin - "Yeah, but how did they fail, if it's so deadly? Why would they want to?"
The structured, cross referenced, harking back, essay long rebuttals centred on the most minor details in an argument.
The persistent defence of Russia/Putin, repeated callbacks to Trump/Russia, the Novichok poisonings.
The sheer volume of effort that goes into holding positions that really don't hold up to great scrutiny.
The sloganeering "source or make believe" "poo poo head"
I've concluded he's now a paid shill, it's honestly my only rational conclusion, and it makes me a little bit sad.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#27142620 - 01/11/21 07:52 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Dishonesty like this:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Did they not find suspicious activity though? What about the Dominion machines finding a 68% error rate? Do we just accept koods' excuse of "End of story. Clearly that expert was an idiot."?
And now we have new evidence of fraud. Are we going to dismiss that as well, or should we maybe check into it?
Pretending that the only response you got was "End of story. Clearly that expert was an idiot." is dishonest. It requires you to ignore the response I gave you one hour after you first brought it up, and it requires you to ignore the response IdiotCircusBoy gave you when you were still touting that debunked report several weeks later. That is dishonest, and it's why no one even cares about responding to you anymore.
Sorry for the delay - I had a busy day at work.
Neither your response nor IdiotCircusBoy's addressed the 68% error rate at all, they just dismissed a cybersecurity company, ASOG, as having "no apparent expertise in election administration and technology." Remember, koods reply was - "Clearly that expert was an idiot"? You both essentially argued the same thing, so to me I was correct in asking if we should just accept that reponse. If I missed where the 68% error rate was explained in the posts you just linked to, please fill me in (note - I KNOW the explanation for the error, which I didn't see in the 2 replies you just linked to).
THIS is EXACTLY the problem. Trying to explain the problem away by saying a cybersecurity firm has "no apparent expertise" doesn't go very far in convincing someone who believes the election was rigged.
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shivas.wisdom said: I don't know why you decided to so completely torpedo your reputation on this forum but congratulations you played yourself.
I still have a pretty good reputation on this forum, which I know from PMs I get from people.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity] 1
#27142630 - 01/11/21 08:07 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Nonagon Infinity said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: But please show me what I said.
You're welcome to read through it yourself if that's how you want to spend your time.
I read through it three times and couldn't find it. The closest I found is where I said you suggested I was lying.
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Nonagon Infinity said: I'm kind of with Enlil at this point. I'm done feeding your insatiable hunger for attention. Arguing with you just isn't worth the time. If you take that as a victory (as you have asserted with your "tail between the legs" comment), then I concede to you completely. You won. Congratulations, you're the best at the Internet.
I hate the attention, but I'll defend myself (with links, unlike yourself) if I read something that's not true. Like I'm about to do with my next post...
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Guy1980] 1
#27142656 - 01/11/21 08:27 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Guy1980 said: I liked FW a lot when I first started on here (and lurked a lot more). Balanced, cleverly constructed arguments, reasonable...
In the past year or so though... wew lad. Differing standards of evidence depending on his viewpoint. E.g. Election fraud, no evidence - "Why not look, no smoke without fire, Democrats should welcome investigations and audits", Novichok poisoning, verified confession from would be assassin - "Yeah, but how did they fail, if it's so deadly? Why would they want to?"
Glad you brought this up. I ALWAYS ask for evidence because "burden of proof" is a fundamental part of any discussion that's been lost in this forum (and I guess people hate to be reminded). If you make a claim, you need to back it up with evidence, period. At no point did I claim there was definitive proof of election fraud, and I've made that clear many times. What I pointed out is that I was disappointed in how poorly people responded to those who thought they had proof, calling such people conspiracy theorists or dismissing them as being idiots instead of giving a good explanation. I enjoy rational debate, and maybe it's a fault of mine to ask people to do better than calling someone an idiot. With respect to the Navalny poisoning, I said this:
"The interview looks damning, and right now I'd say we finally have decent evidence."
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Guy1980 said: The structured, cross referenced, harking back, essay long rebuttals centred on the most minor details in an argument.
Details are often important. If details alter the meaning of an argument, I'll focus on them.
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Guy1980 said: The persistent defence of Russia/Putin, repeated callbacks to Trump/Russia, the Novichok poisonings.
The sheer volume of effort that goes into holding positions that really don't hold up to great scrutiny.
The sloganeering "source or make believe"...
Burden of proof, my friend. It's a necessary part of debate.
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Guy1980 said: ..."poo poo head"
When someone calls me a conspiracy theorist for demanding proof, I'll point out that has about the same effect as calling me a poo poo head.
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Guy1980 said: I've concluded he's now a paid shill, it's honestly my only rational conclusion, and it makes me a little bit sad.
Me and Putin are best buds (I'm joking before you accuse me of lying).
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
#27143030 - 01/12/21 01:16 AM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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koods said: ...the loser you voted for is spending his evening desperately trying to tweet from any account he can, and getting shut down left and right.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Hooray for censorship in America!
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koods said: I wonder if you may someday take one of your principled stands to defend someone who isn’t a fucking monster.
Ron Paul just got shut down on Facebook. Is he a monster? He opposes war and defends civil liberties:
https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1348694943905308672
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27143041 - 01/12/21 01:21 AM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I read through it three times and couldn't find it. The closest I found is where I said you suggested I was lying.
My bad, falcon. I legitimately misread that comment, and I thought you were accusing me and the other users you listed of being liars. Honest mistake, and you have my apology there.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I hate the attention, but I'll defend myself (with links, unlike yourself) if I read something that's not true. Like I'm about to do with my next post...
Good for you, man. You do you.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#27143051 - 01/12/21 01:31 AM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Fair enough, that's kind of what I guessed. Thanks for the reply.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27143057 - 01/12/21 01:40 AM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Ron Paul just got shut down on Facebook. Is he a monster? He opposes war and defends civil liberties:
https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1348694943905308672
I still haven't found the explanation. Does anyone else know what he did?
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27143094 - 01/12/21 02:38 AM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Facebook said it was removing content and users that have been pushing “stop the steal” lies.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
#27143196 - 01/12/21 05:34 AM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Imagine if your idol was people like Roger Stone. This will be looked at as one of the most pathetic political movements in US history.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: SirTripAlot]
#27143537 - 01/12/21 10:28 AM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Imagine if your idol was people like Roger Stone. This will be looked at as one of the most pathetic political movements in US history.
provided they don't gain power in a few years, for sure
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
#27143857 - 01/12/21 01:13 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Maybe Parler will become the next big thing. Probably not, but maybe.
Parler is down completely right now..
It looks like Telegram Messenger could be the next big thing:
Trump supporters flock to messaging app Telegram after Parler goes offline
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Telegram became the second-most downloaded app in America on Sunday as users looked for a new home online after Mr Trump was suspended from Facebook and Twitter, and as tech companies cut off Parler, a free speech social network that had sprung up as an alternative.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27143871 - 01/12/21 01:22 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Good for them! I'm glad you guys have a place to discuss how great Trump is.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
#27143920 - 01/12/21 01:48 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Telegram is an app started in Russia, and is currently Russia's biggest social networking app.
In June 2020, they won a major legal battle against the FSB:
Telegram: Russia lifts ban on private messaging app after it 'agrees to help with extremism investigations'
That's what American censorship will get you.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#27143976 - 01/12/21 02:17 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Sounds like the 1st Amendment is working as intended. If Twitter suffers from their choices, so be it.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
#27144015 - 01/12/21 02:38 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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I wonder how long it will take for people to figure out they're downloading Russian spyware on their phone
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#27144031 - 01/12/21 02:46 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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During the lawsuit, Telegram moved from Russia to the United Arab Emirates, and they won their lawsuit against the FSB to not have to give up information to the Russian Government unless it relates to Russia's counter terrorism operations.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil] 1
#27144037 - 01/12/21 02:51 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Sounds like the 1st Amendment is working as intended. If Twitter suffers from their choices, so be it.
I believe Twitter has lost something like 6% of their total value over the last day or two.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#27144045 - 01/12/21 02:54 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Ron Paul just got shut down on Facebook. Is he a monster? He opposes war and defends civil liberties:
https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1348694943905308672
I still haven't found the explanation. Does anyone else know what he did?
Shouldn't matter. Ron Paul is an ardent opponent of Net Neutrality, and believes businesses should have the final say.
Sucks for Ron Paul. Maybe he should rethink his core political opinions if he thinks that he should have a Facebook account.
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