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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27139896 - 01/10/21 01:53 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Lynnch said:
I think if he spent less time making every argument about him, he might have a better time.

:lol:



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A mob arrived with a noose for Mike Pence because of the words delivered by Team Trump.

At what point do they need to take responsibility for their words? And who should it be? The janitor? What about the tea lady?

Here's a crazy idea, how'bout the people in charge?



Why is that a crazy idea?  It sounds reasonable to me.  :shrug:



So.. you do think that Trump is responsible for the riot on the 6th. Cool. Glad we got that settled.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: christopera] * 1
    #27139927 - 01/10/21 02:16 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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No but you repeatedly pickicking out subtle and effectively meaningless semantic irregularities definitely weakens your points. That's problem, you'd rather cherry pick a piece of language than answer with intellectually honest debate. I am not talking about Russia either, as I don't really have a horse in the race, but for the last 6 months or so (?) you have played these little games. Everybody is over it, and sure as hell, nobody wants to see a link from you to you.



Can YOU link to an example?  :shrug:


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27140009 - 01/10/21 03:01 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Go back a page and look at Brian’s post.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: christopera] * 1
    #27140098 - 01/10/21 04:00 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Go back a page and look at Brian’s post.



This is what Trump said:

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Trump said:
I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?  Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.



Clearly a question.


This is what Brian said:

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Brian Jones said:
he suggested it as a possible cure



You don't see the difference?

If I heard what Trump said, there's no way I would take bleach.  If I heard what Brian said, and if I trusted Trump, and if I were stupid, I might consider it.


I think the most harmful statement came from Biden, who said:

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Brian Jones said:
And when it comes to COVID-19, after months of doing nothing, other than predicting the virus would disappear, or maybe if you drank bleach you may be okay, Trump has simply given up.



Now THAT was dangerous to anyone who didn't hear what Trump actually said.



I can see your point about quibbling, though I just explained why I did, but that's a LOT different than lying, as koods, Enlil, and Nonagon Infinity are suggesting.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27140115 - 01/10/21 04:09 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

He didn’t tell people to take bleach. He told people he’s a moron.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
    #27140137 - 01/10/21 04:19 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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He didn’t tell people to take bleach. He told people he’s a moron.



Thank you.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27140885 - 01/10/21 09:42 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Go back a page and look at Brian’s post.



This is what Trump said:

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Trump said:
I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?  Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.



Clearly a question.


This is what Brian said:

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Brian Jones said:
he suggested it as a possible cure



You don't see the difference?

If I heard what Trump said, there's no way I would take bleach.  If I heard what Brian said, and if I trusted Trump, and if I were stupid, I might consider it.


I think the most harmful statement came from Biden, who said:

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Brian Jones said:
And when it comes to COVID-19, after months of doing nothing, other than predicting the virus would disappear, or maybe if you drank bleach you may be okay, Trump has simply given up.



Now THAT was dangerous to anyone who didn't hear what Trump actually said.



I can see your point about quibbling, though I just explained why I did, but that's a LOT different than lying, as koods, Enlil, and Nonagon Infinity are suggesting.







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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: christopera] * 2
    #27141153 - 01/11/21 01:24 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I decline your request because it'll just lead where it always leads.



This is exactly where I'm at when falcon demands evidence of his rhetorical dishonesty. Through my own personal experience of engaging with falcon, I've determined that providing him with the evidence he demands is a waste of my time. It's extremely repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with him using tactics to weasel his way back into a favorable position (rhetorically), where he's the one asking the questions and demanding proof.

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for the last 6 months or so (?) you have played these little games. Everybody is over it, and sure as hell, nobody wants to see a link from you to you.



I am a part of that "everybody". I'm just over it, man. Debating with falcon about these things is just not a fruitful conversation.

I guess I need to take a look in the mirror, though, to a certain extent. I know the healthiest thing to do is just to disengage, but I just... can't seem to stop. It's just so tempting to engage with falcon because some of the stuff he says is just so... disagreeable. Sometimes, he'll just say stuff where my reaction is like "... I can't let him get away with that!" Of course, from falcon's perspective, this is all just evidence of my own cognitive dissonance.

At first, it was entertaining for me to engage with falcon, but the novelty of seeing just how far someone will go to absolve Trump from criticism, defend a holocaust denier, push a conspiracy theory, and more wore off after a little bit and I'm just kinda tired of it. But I keep coming back for some reason. It's like an addiction.

I don't really respond to falcon anymore unless I'm having some type of meta-discussion about his behavior on the forums (like this one), but I think I'm going to have to start exercising some restraint in that regard because 1: it's off topic, and 2: it's just as unhealthy and repetitive as arguing with him about Trump, the holocaust, and conspiracy theories.

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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 2
    #27141879 - 01/11/21 11:45 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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This is exactly where I'm at when falcon demands evidence of his rhetorical dishonesty. Through my own personal experience of engaging with falcon, I've determined that providing him with the evidence he demands is a waste of my time. It's extremely repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with him using tactics to weasel his way back into a favorable position (rhetorically), where he's the one asking the questions and demanding proof.



Wow, I just asked for ONE SINGLE example, and instead I get a giant essay of "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" with a long list of excuses of why you won't do it, just like I expected.  I remember the days before Enlil was a mod when "burden of proof" used to be a thing here, but Enlil decided to allow koods to make believe anything he wanted in the name of "free speech", while at the same time defending the media's censorship of alternative news as "free speech", claiming "countless scholarly articles" agreed with him (though he never could find any when I requested it, though I had many articles in the que of how censorship of large private media companies actually endangers free speech).

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for the last 6 months or so (?) you have played these little games. Everybody is over it, and sure as hell, nobody wants to see a link from you to you.



I am a part of that "everybody". I'm just over it, man. Debating with falcon about these things is just not a fruitful conversation.

I guess I need to take a look in the mirror, though, to a certain extent. I know the healthiest thing to do is just to disengage, but I just... can't seem to stop. It's just so tempting to engage with falcon because some of the stuff he says is just so... disagreeable. Sometimes, he'll just say stuff where my reaction is like "... I can't let him get away with that!" Of course, from falcon's perspective, this is all just evidence of my own cognitive dissonance.

At first, it was entertaining for me to engage with falcon, but the novelty of seeing just how far someone will go to absolve Trump from criticism, defend a holocaust denier, push a conspiracy theory, and more wore off after a little bit and I'm just kinda tired of it. But I keep coming back for some reason. It's like an addiction.



Maybe because you can't find ONE SINGLE example to prove your point.

It's interesting how you think if you use the words "holocaust denier", "conpiracy theorist", etc then you get to automatically back out of any argument and declare yourself winner, without even getting into the actual material being discussed (notice the giant "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" response you gave me to the Douma discussion, again without A SINGLE EXAMPLE of what was wrong.  Hell, you even called Wikileaks a "highly questionable source of information" even though they've never been found to have released bad information, even when US Intelligence tried to discredit them with false information.

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I don't really respond to falcon anymore unless I'm having some type of meta-discussion about his behavior on the forums (like this one), but I think I'm going to have to start exercising some restraint in that regard because 1: it's off topic, and 2: it's just as unhealthy and repetitive as arguing with him about Trump, the holocaust, and conspiracy theories.



There you go again, more "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" without a single example.  You cling to the words "holocaust" and "conspiracy theories" hoping that means you win.  But in reality, the things I've been called a conspiracy theorist for, I've turned out to be right about.  And when I beg people to tell me what I've been shown wrong about, I'm ALWAYS met with crickets.

You can choose to make another "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" post, you can provide actual examples (I hope you pick that one), or you can put your tail between your legs and be silent.  The choice is yours.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27141896 - 01/11/21 11:52 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Wow, I just asked for ONE SINGLE example,




This time.  This is like the 10th time you've done so and gotten examples before.  As a result, you've asked for multiple examples and they've always gone the same way....You reargue indefensible points and then declare victory.  It's boring as fuck.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27141929 - 01/11/21 12:14 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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This is exactly where I'm at when falcon demands evidence of his rhetorical dishonesty. Through my own personal experience of engaging with falcon, I've determined that providing him with the evidence he demands is a waste of my time. It's extremely repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with him using tactics to weasel his way back into a favorable position (rhetorically), where he's the one asking the questions and demanding proof.



Wow, I just asked for ONE SINGLE example, and instead I get a giant essay of "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" with a long list of excuses of why you won't do it, just like I expected.  I remember the days before Enlil was a mod when "burden of proof" used to be a thing here, but Enlil decided to allow koods to make believe anything he wanted in the name of "free speech", while at the same time defending the media's censorship of alternative news as "free speech", claiming "countless scholarly articles" agreed with him (though he never could find any when I requested it, though I had many articles in the que of how censorship of large private media companies actually endangers free speech).




Dude, it's a paragraph, it's not an essay. Additionally, I never called you a "poo poo head". That's your language. I clearly said that engaging with you is repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with you using tactics to weasel yourself back into a favorable position (rhetorically), which is exactly what you're doing right now. I'm not insulting you or name-calling or anything of that nature, but you're definitely trying to characterize me as doing that with your "poo poo head" comment. I've always been respectful towards you, even when I criticize your arguments. You always do this. You act like you're being persecuted when all we're doing is criticizing your arguments and ideas.

Telling you that that you're using dishonest rhetorical tactics is not calling you a "poo poo head." It's a criticism of your behavior, not of your character or your humanity. Your claim that I'm calling you a "poo poo head" is exactly the sort of dishonest rhetorical tactic I'm talking about. It's an obvious attempt to characterize me as a childish mudslinger, rather than a rational interlocutor, therefore placing yourself in a favorable position, rhetorically. Do I really need to provide proof of your tactics when you're literally employing them right now?!

This is literally the exact behavior I predicted.

You also called me a liar earlier in this thread, which I don't particularly appreciate. Of course, your (predictable) response to this will be that I was the one who started the name-calling, and that you were really just stooping down to my level. Yawn.

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You can choose to make another "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" post, you can provide actual examples (I hope you pick that one), or you can put your tail between your legs and be silent.  The choice is yours.



Or, I can choose door number 3: disengage from this pointless, exhausting, repetitive conversation.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27141979 - 01/11/21 12:46 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Wow, I just asked for ONE SINGLE example,



This is like the 10th time you've done so and gotten examples before.



Source, or make believe?


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27141997 - 01/11/21 12:56 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I'm done feeding your need for attention.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27142030 - 01/11/21 01:19 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I never called you a "poo poo head". That's your language.



Obviously it's my language.  I'm saying that making accusations about me without backing them up with actual evidence is the equivalent to being calling me a poo poo head.

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I clearly said that engaging with you is repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with you using tactics to weasel yourself back into a favorable position (rhetorically), which is exactly what you're doing right now.



Me repeatedly asking you for evidence to back your assertions is "weaseling"?  I disagree.

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I'm not insulting you or name-calling or anything of that nature, but you're definitely trying to characterize me as doing that with your "poo poo head" comment.



When you say things about me without backing them up with evidence as I've requested, while I back my own statements up with evidence (see links in my previous post), that's kindeegarten to me.

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I've always been respectful towards you, even when I criticize your arguments. You always do this. You act like you're being persecuted when all we're doing is criticizing your arguments and ideas.



Respectfully saying I'm dishonest, without providing examples, is disrespectful to me.  I WANT constructive criticism, but with actual examples.

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Telling you that that you're using dishonest rhetorical tactics is not calling you a "poo poo head." It's a criticism of your behavior, not of your character or your humanity. Your claim that I'm calling you a "poo poo head" is exactly the sort of dishonest rhetorical tactic I'm talking about. It's an obvious attempt to characterize me as a childish mudslinger, rather than a rational interlocutor, therefore placing yourself in a favorable position, rhetorically. Do I really need to provide proof of your tactics when you're literally employing them right now?!



So do you have evidence of your claims, or don't you?  If not, I consider it childish behavior, same as calling me a poo poo head.  Get it?

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This is literally the exact behavior I predicted.



Me too.  You HATE it when I ask for evidence.  :shrug:

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You also called me a liar earlier in this thread, which I don't particularly appreciate. Of course, your (predictable) response to this will be that I was the one who started the name-calling, and that you were really just stooping down to my level. Yawn.



Did I?  I couldn't find that post, can you help?  I have a feeling you're leaving out important context.

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You can choose to make another "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" post, you can provide actual examples (I hope you pick that one), or you can put your tail between your legs and be silent.  The choice is yours.



Or, I can choose door number 3: disengage from this pointless, exhausting, repetitive conversation.



I'm just asking for ONE example of my dishonesty.  But if that's too much, fine.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
    #27142044 - 01/11/21 01:30 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I never called you a "poo poo head". That's your language.



Obviously it's my language.  I'm saying that making accusations about me without backing them up with actual evidence is the equivalent to calling me a poo poo head.

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I clearly said that engaging with you is repetitive, time consuming, and it always ends with you using tactics to weasel yourself back into a favorable position (rhetorically), which is exactly what you're doing right now.



Me repeatedly asking you for evidence to back your assertions of me is "weaseling"?!?

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I'm not insulting you or name-calling or anything of that nature, but you're definitely trying to characterize me as doing that with your "poo poo head" comment.



When you say things about me without backing them up with evidence as I've requested, while I back my own statements up with evidence (see links in my previous post), that's kindeegarten to me.

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I've always been respectful towards you, even when I criticize your arguments. You always do this. You act like you're being persecuted when all we're doing is criticizing your arguments and ideas.



Respectfully saying I'm dishonest, without providing examples, is disrespectful to me.  I WANT constructive criticism, but with actual examples of dishonesty.

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Telling you that that you're using dishonest rhetorical tactics is not calling you a "poo poo head." It's a criticism of your behavior, not of your character or your humanity. Your claim that I'm calling you a "poo poo head" is exactly the sort of dishonest rhetorical tactic I'm talking about. It's an obvious attempt to characterize me as a childish mudslinger, rather than a rational interlocutor, therefore placing yourself in a favorable position, rhetorically. Do I really need to provide proof of your tactics when you're literally employing them right now?!



So do you have evidence of your claims, or don't you?  If not, I consider it childish behavior, just like calling me a poo poo head.  Get it yet?

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This is literally the exact behavior I predicted.



Me too.  I keep asking for evidence of my dishonesty over and over, and you keep making excuses not to provide any.

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You also called me a liar earlier in this thread, which I don't particularly appreciate. Of course, your (predictable) response to this will be that I was the one who started the name-calling, and that you were really just stooping down to my level. Yawn.



I couldn't find that post.  I suspect if I said it there was some context, like "if you don't back your claims with evidence, then it appears you're lying".  But please show me what I said.

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You can choose to make another "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" post, you can provide actual examples (I hope you pick that one), or you can put your tail between your legs and be silent.  The choice is yours.



Or, I can choose door number 3: disengage from this pointless, exhausting, repetitive conversation.



It's repetitive because I keep asking for evidence of your accusations, and you keep making excuses why you won't.  Just provide one example of my dishonesty and we're done.  You'd rather write essays (ok, multiple paragraphs :rolleyes:) of why you won't.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
    #27142046 - 01/11/21 01:31 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I'm done feeding your need for attention.



I actually hate the attention, I simply wanted an example, not post after post of why I won't get one.  I knew you wouldn't provide it.  It's easier to keep calling me dishonest than to find an actual example.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #27142078 - 01/11/21 01:50 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Dishonesty like this:

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Did they not find suspicious activity though?  What about the Dominion machines finding a 68% error rate?  Do we just accept koods' excuse of "End of story. Clearly that expert was an idiot."?

And now we have new evidence of fraud.  Are we going to dismiss that as well, or should we maybe check into it?





Pretending that the only response you got was "End of story. Clearly that expert was an idiot." is dishonest. It requires you to ignore the response I gave you one hour after you first brought it up, and it requires you to ignore the response IdiotCircusBoy gave you when you were still touting that debunked report several weeks later. That is dishonest, and it's why no one even cares about responding to you anymore.

I don't know why you decided to so completely torpedo your reputation on this forum but congratulations you played yourself.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27142095 - 01/11/21 01:58 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I don't know why you decided to so completely torpedo your reputation on this forum but congratulations you played yourself.



It saddens and confounds me.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27142103 - 01/11/21 02:03 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I don't give a fuck what he said. Twitter has the right to determine what they allow on their site. It doesn't need to conform to your arbitrary standards.



I think censorship would be fine on small sites that aren't near monopolies.  But I think there should be rules against censorship on mega sites like Facebook and Twitter.


yep face book, twtter an other social site are getting on the information band wagon an it dont help they are shutting down other sites that do not go with there agenda of cencership.


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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27142116 - 01/11/21 02:07 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Thank you for engaging in an actual conversation, shivas.  :heart:

I have a busy day at work today, so I'll respond later this evening explaining why I disagree.


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