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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
#27136605 - 01/08/21 11:15 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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koods said: You’re not defending Twitters freedom of speech you’re defending trumps. After he incited a riot and insurrection that got at least five people killed. Get some fucking perspective.
I'll ask for at least the 3rd time. Do you have any Trump posts that called for a riot?
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Enlil]
#27136607 - 01/08/21 11:18 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Enlil said: You have become lost in your own rhetoric here. You think forcing people to copy trumps words and distribute them is freedom.
Twitter automatically posts what you say; no one's being "forced" to do anything. People have to manually go in and determine if a post should be blocked.
I get your point, we just strongly disagree.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27136614 - 01/08/21 11:24 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Twitter automatically posts what you say; no one's being "forced" to do anything.
But you're ok with forcing Twitter to keep something on their site after they determine they don't want it to be.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kwyjibo]
#27136619 - 01/08/21 11:33 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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See this post.
I'll ask for at least the fourth time, does anyone have an example of a Trump tweet calling for violence?
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27136624 - 01/08/21 11:38 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: See this post.
I'll ask for at least the fourth time, does anyone have an example of a Trump tweet calling for violence?
I don't give a fuck what he said. Twitter has the right to determine what they allow on their site. It doesn't need to conform to your arbitrary standards.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kwyjibo] 1
#27136634 - 01/08/21 11:51 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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At this point, maintaining that the election was stolen is a call for violence. It's like a mob boss saying "Somebody ought to deal with that guy" with a wink. It's not overt, but his supporters -if the last few days are anything to go by- know what he's asking for.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Lynnch] 2
#27136639 - 01/08/21 11:57 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Even if Twitter is wrong about his tweets inciting violence it's still their site and they have the right to determine what they want on it. Being factually correct is not a requirement for that.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kwyjibo]
#27136642 - 01/09/21 12:03 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Kwyjibo said: I don't give a fuck what he said. Twitter has the right to determine what they allow on their site. It doesn't need to conform to your arbitrary standards.
I think censorship would be fine on small sites that aren't near monopolies. But I think there should be rules against censorship on mega sites like Facebook and Twitter.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27136645 - 01/09/21 12:05 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I think censorship would be fine on small sites that aren't near monopolies. But I think there should be rules against censorship on mega sites like Facebook and Twitter.
They're not monopolies. There are alternatives and nobody is stopping his followers from going where he goes.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kwyjibo] 1
#27136675 - 01/09/21 12:40 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Ok then you agree Donald trump should be banned.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27136685 - 01/09/21 12:49 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Kwyjibo said: I don't give a fuck what he said. Twitter has the right to determine what they allow on their site. It doesn't need to conform to your arbitrary standards.
I think censorship would be fine on small sites that aren't near monopolies. But I think there should be rules against censorship on mega sites like Facebook and Twitter.
Congress can make no laws abridging the right to free speech. That’s what you want congress to do... in the name of free speech. You’re such a ridiculous person.
There is nothing monopolistic about Twitter. It’s a pretty simple service that doesn’t really do anything special.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Kwyjibo] 1
#27136731 - 01/09/21 02:01 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Kwyjibo said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I think censorship would be fine on small sites that aren't near monopolies. But I think there should be rules against censorship on mega sites like Facebook and Twitter.
They're not monopolies. There are alternatives and nobody is stopping his followers from going where he goes.
Tell that to Congress:
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The House Judiciary subcommittee on antitrust determined Facebook wields monopoly powers in social network and has maintained its position by acquiring, copying or killing its competitors, according to a report the group released on Tuesday.
The report concluded “Facebook’s monopoly power is firmly entrenched and unlikely to be eroded by competitive pressure from new entrants or existing firms.” Facebook is entrenched as a monopoly due to its strong network effects, high switching costs for users and the company’s significant data advantage.
In particular, the report noted that Facebook shores up its monopoly by identifying competitors that could pose a threat to the company and either acquiring them, copying them or killing them.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods]
#27136732 - 01/09/21 02:03 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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koods said: Congress can make no laws abridging the right to free speech. That’s what you want congress to do... in the name of free speech. You’re such a ridiculous person.
Yes, I want free speech for millions, you want censorship power for a mega-corporation.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27136735 - 01/09/21 02:10 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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If trump wants to express his free speech, he can stand on the corner with a sign like the rest of us.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#27136743 - 01/09/21 02:22 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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koods said: Congress can make no laws abridging the right to free speech. That’s what you want congress to do... in the name of free speech. You’re such a ridiculous person.
Yes, I want free speech for millions, you want censorship power for a mega-corporation.
Neither twitter or Facebook are necessary for free speech.
And yes, I’m all for censoring people who incite violence. Im for censoring people who libel and slander. I’m all for censoring people who are committing fraud.
I think public forums like twitter have a duty to not let themselves be used to spread lies and misinformation.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: koods] 2
#27137004 - 01/09/21 08:01 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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So is it a public forum or a private forum?
Like it or not social media is the new public commons, being banned from any of those platforms is a serious socioeconomic disadvantage. I’m all for deplatforming fascists like trump, but the public should be deciding these things, not Jack and mark zuckerberg.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27137109 - 01/09/21 08:54 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Enlil said: You have become lost in your own rhetoric here. You think forcing people to copy trumps words and distribute them is freedom.
Twitter automatically posts what you say; no one's being "forced" to do anything. People have to manually go in and determine if a post should be blocked.
I get your point, we just strongly disagree.
It automatically posts things that people say and stores that on servers Twitters pays for.
From here on out, I get to tell you what you can delete from your C drive. It preserves freedom of speech.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27137125 - 01/09/21 09:02 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: So is it a public forum or a private forum?
Like it or not social media is the new public commons, being banned from any of those platforms is a serious socioeconomic disadvantage. I’m all for deplatforming fascists like trump, but the public should be deciding these things, not Jack and mark zuckerberg.
There is a stark and very clear difference between public and private forum in the physical world, it's no different in the digital world.
You can for instance carry a sign around in a publically owned park saying basically whatever you want assuming you have the permits to do so, but if you carry that into a mall space (like a shopping mall), you'd likely get ejected immediately. It's notable that mall spaces generally have private police forces where public spaces have to rely solely on publically funded policing. Additionally, the public perception is that mall spaces and publically owned spaces have the same first amendment protections, when this clearly isn't the case legally. I actually wrote my Master's dissertation on this. In summary, most American's have no fucking clue how the increasingly privatization of public space actually decreases their access to many of their "god given" rights they are so entitled to. Privately owned digital forums are the same. There are no protections on Twitter or Facebook. They are free to privately police content as they please. Just like throwing somebody out of the mall for appearing poor isn't illegal, it's just down right despicable, mall cops have every right to do so based solely on own having the authority to police that ground. There are of course limits, but first amendment rights aren't them.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#27137141 - 01/09/21 09:08 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: So is it a public forum or a private forum?
Like it or not social media is the new public commons, being banned from any of those platforms is a serious socioeconomic disadvantage. I’m all for deplatforming fascists like trump, but the public should be deciding these things, not Jack and mark zuckerberg.
It's a public forum. That's why Twitter should not be forced to store, maintain, and publish speech that its owners don't agree with. That would be repugnant to the First Amendment. It would be no different than making you hold a Trump sign every time you go to the park.
If the government wants to make a social media website, I'm all for that. Forcing a private one to say what the government deems important is not something that I will ever support.
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Re: Raphael Warnock’s own writings reveal his open support for Marxism [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#27137303 - 01/09/21 10:07 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: So is it a public forum or a private forum?
Like it or not social media is the new public commons, being banned from any of those platforms is a serious socioeconomic disadvantage. I’m all for deplatforming fascists like trump, but the public should be deciding these things, not Jack and mark zuckerberg.
Why deplatform anyone? Let the court of people opinion determine the success of that platform.
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