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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27135543 - 01/08/21 03:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Could it be that "Antifa" can sometimes refer collectively to people who, individually "are Antifa" in the same way that you yourself said you are Antifa?


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
    #27135545 - 01/08/21 03:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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No, he said that antifa kills people.  To prove that, he'd have to show that the actual antifascism killed someone.  An antifascist can certainly kill someone just like a baptist can.  That doesn't mean that antifascism killed anyone anymore than christianity did.  To the best of my knowledge, killing people is not a part of the antifascist ideology.




His claim was not that antifascism killed anyone though, now was it. And it's clear that you believe an individual person can "be Antifa" by being against fascism.



Yes it was.  I can be antifa, sure...that means I'm antifascist.  Antifa is an adjective in the sentence, "I am antifa."  It's a noun in the sentence "Antifa grows stronger every day" because Antifa stands for "antifascism" in that sentence.

This isn't complicated stuff.  I assume he must have meant the noun form of Antifa when he said Antifa kills people because it wouldn't make sense if he was using the adjective.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] * 1
    #27135549 - 01/08/21 03:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Could it be that "Antifa" can sometimes refer collectively to people who, individually "are Antifa" in the same way that you yourself said you are Antifa?



Maybe, but that pretty much makes his sentence meaningless.  The vast majority of the planet is antifascist, so to make a statement that antifascists do anything is almost always going to be true, since at least one of the billions of antifascists has probably done just about anything a human can do.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27135552 - 01/08/21 03:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think you are being disingenuous, obviously he can't have meant that an abstract ideology killed anyone. How would that even work?


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] * 3
    #27135583 - 01/08/21 03:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It looks like trump will be impeached again, for incitement of insurrection


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] * 1
    #27135585 - 01/08/21 03:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You're not far off, but I believe that he believes that Antifa is an organization and that the organization kills people.  That isn't true, though.  If he means that someone in the world is antifascist AND has killed someone, that is true.  That isn't what he meant, though, and you're being disingenuous if you argue that it is.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27135592 - 01/08/21 03:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

From his example, I believe what he meant by the term is something like "people who self-identify as Antifa" rather than "anyone at all who is against fascism, whether or not they would describe themselves as Antifa". The example he gave talks about self-identification rather than membership in a formal organization.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
    #27135602 - 01/08/21 03:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Some video of an AP reporter being attacked and dragged over a wall by the trump mob

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CJxKMArpN0_/


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
    #27135642 - 01/08/21 04:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Because they thought he was Antifa?

I guess he would have left him alone if he were wearing nothing but American flag boxer shorts and a cowboy hat.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] * 2
    #27135646 - 01/08/21 04:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Mostly peaceful? They stormed the seat of the us government. They are terrorists.



They did it to change election results they are terrorists


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
    #27135664 - 01/08/21 04:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What a bunch of thugs, far out. Thankfully there was one decent human in amongst that mob.
I just watched another clip of Lindsay Graham walking through an airport getting hassled and called a traitor.

It's no wonder the Repub reps are shit scared, not of Trump but his violent supporters  :thumbdown:  :popcorn:

Edit 2 decent people, the guy with the dreads as well


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
    #27135710 - 01/08/21 04:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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From his example, I believe what he meant by the term is something like "people who self-identify as Antifa" rather than "anyone at all who is against fascism, whether or not they would describe themselves as Antifa". The example he gave talks about self-identification rather than membership in a formal organization.




At that point, there are much better examples of people who self-identify as "Antifa" killing people.

WWII comes to mind as an international coalition of antifa killing people.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos]
    #27135715 - 01/08/21 04:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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From his example, I believe what he meant by the term is something like "people who self-identify as Antifa" rather than "anyone at all who is against fascism, whether or not they would describe themselves as Antifa". The example he gave talks about self-identification rather than membership in a formal organization.




At that point, there are much better examples of people who self-identify as "Antifa" killing people.

WWII comes to mind as an international coalition of antifa killing people.




as long as they kill fascists I'm not bothered, its apparently the only effective way of dealing with them. Time after time


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos]
    #27135718 - 01/08/21 04:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'd guess he was just talking about the modern day incarnation of the movement in the USA but who knows.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #27135721 - 01/08/21 04:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It almost always is. It's been demonstrated time and time again, that fascists are there to kill or be killed. They don't show up to "protest". They show up to fight.

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I'd guess he was just talking about the modern day incarnation of the movement in the USA but who knows.




I'm sure he was, which means he was being arbitrary and stupid.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #27135732 - 01/08/21 04:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So you guys support shooting random innocent people walking down the street just because they were wearing a MAGA hat, like Michael Reinoehl?

It's fucking sickening to watch people talk like this.

All 75 million Trump supporters are fascists, and thus it's okay to murder them at random. That is the line of thinking you guys are walking.

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] * 2
    #27135749 - 01/08/21 04:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

How does this make you feel chopstick? Where will you get your marching orders now?



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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] * 4
    #27135752 - 01/08/21 04:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Did anyone say it was ok? Spare us the victim act.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] * 2
    #27135761 - 01/08/21 04:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So you guys support shooting random innocent people walking down the street just because they were wearing a MAGA hat, like Michael Reinoehl?

It's fucking sickening to watch people talk like this.

All 75 million Trump supporters are fascists, and thus it's okay to murder them at random. That is the line of thinking you guys are walking.

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I don't think anyone said that, are you saying all 75 million trump supporters are fascists?


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27135763 - 01/08/21 04:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So you guys support shooting random innocent people walking down the street just because they were wearing a MAGA hat, like Michael Reinoehl?

It's fucking sickening to watch people talk like this.

All 75 million Trump supporters are fascists, and thus it's okay to murder them at random. That is the line of thinking you guys are walking.

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