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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27135380 - 01/08/21 02:08 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Yes they're slower


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: TheMagicConch]
    #27135458 - 01/08/21 02:52 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Aa+ are definitely slower. They take twice as long as my ksss. I spawned 4 tubs xmas eve they are almost ready to harvest. Hope that helps.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: Professor X]
    #27135548 - 01/08/21 03:34 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Most definitely helps, thanks. It is difficult because all the questions asked regarding Aa+ are answered: " all cubes have the genetic capability to grow slow or fast ". This is understandable, however, it is vague. Id love to see some pics, bro!


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27145326 - 01/13/21 08:26 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Here is an updated pic. It is hard to tell if there has been any progress but are things still looking good?


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27145334 - 01/13/21 08:29 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: teslacann]
    #27145403 - 01/13/21 09:04 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Just harvested 2 AA+ tubs yesterday that were spawned on the 24th of December. That was a clone culture however.

With the MS cultures I've done on AA+, I've waited up to 3 weeks before seeing any pins.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: renagaderX]
    #27145542 - 01/13/21 10:17 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

You can just introduce to "fruiting conditions" from day 1 after spawning. "Fruiting condition" is the ideal environment for spawned cubes. That looks like it is about to fruit.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: Nichrome]
    #27145979 - 01/13/21 01:38 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

I've grown quite a bit of aa+ the past year. It's slower than most other cubes but other than that it requires the same technique any run of the mill cube does. I found light on the blue end of the spectrum will produce more leucistic characteristics. As for the potency supposedly being higher I didn’t notice any difference between it and Thai lipa yai or treasure coast. It's just slower to pin and fruit.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: ivey77]
    #27148511 - 01/14/21 07:42 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Going to follow this post cause I got some Albino A+ on the way.Thanks for the info.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: Mcrazor1]
    #27148540 - 01/14/21 07:55 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

AA+ is one that I keep in rotation, it is pretty slow to colonize and fruit. You can speed that up by cloning one of the larger, faster maturing fruits from your tub. Put a sample to agar, clean, inoculate, and repeat a few times. You'll find that you end up with more aggressive mycelial growth, even pin sets/full canopies, and larger fruiting bodies.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: Triptag0n]
    #27149375 - 01/15/21 08:57 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

My jars colonize fast.. I have 8 wide mouth, half pint jars that I nocced(aa+ jars)on the 29th of December and they’ll be finished about the 20th of January. It’s just when they get into the tubs is when it starts to get slow IME. However, this current tub is barely showing signs of hyphal knotting.. Should I be worried? I’m in CO so i feel as if the dry climate has a little effect maybe


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27149456 - 01/15/21 09:50 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

I'm in CO as well, it took me a minute to figure out how to adjust to the super dry conditions when I first moved out here. Everything dries out very fast, especially now in winter. The easiest thing that I found (aside from setting up a martha) was to get a small grow tent and throw a shelf and cool mist humidifier inside. Play around with using a timer or rh controller so that you can achieve a "normal" relative humidity (30-50%) insided your tent. Keep your tubs on the shelf and enjoy not having to mist 38 times per day to keep your sub from drying out lol.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27149489 - 01/15/21 10:13 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

Obviously misting "38 times per day" is a massive exaggeration lol.. but I just checked, the rh in my home is currently 16%


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: Triptag0n]
    #27149518 - 01/15/21 10:36 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

About how long until you saw the primordia?


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27149731 - 01/15/21 12:57 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

I normally put grain to sub and allow 4-6 days for colonization at ~80° and then into my martha at ~75° with primordia appearing in another 4-5 days. On average I'm looking at about 10 days with AA+.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: Triptag0n]
    #27149775 - 01/15/21 01:28 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

Well my tub has been in fruiting conditions at least 15 days and I'm only getting a little bit of the tiny knots that end up being pins...but something seems like its taking longer than it should:/


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27149991 - 01/15/21 03:52 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

Just be patient and let it do its thing. It'll fruit when it's ready! Like a lot of the previous posts stated; AA+ is slow to colonize/fruit. The only reason that I'm seeing growth after 10-11 days is because of the agar isolation work that I've done. You are absolutely within the window of "normal" fruiting time for this variety.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: Triptag0n]
    #27151254 - 01/16/21 11:00 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

Awesome, thanks for the encouragement!


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27151258 - 01/16/21 11:02 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

Of course! Keep us posted on your progress! Mush love friend


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: Triptag0n]
    #27151613 - 01/16/21 02:37 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

Here’s a pic for the hell of it


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: Triptag0n]
    #27151702 - 01/16/21 03:43 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

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AA+ is one that I keep in rotation, it is pretty slow to colonize and fruit. You can speed that up by cloning one of the larger, faster maturing fruits from your tub. Put a sample to agar, clean, inoculate, and repeat a few times. You'll find that you end up with more aggressive mycelial growth, even pin sets/full canopies, and larger fruiting bodies.




Going to be doing this with some of my larger AA+ fruits that I did a spore print from a harvest that was ohh about...coming up on almost 4 years ago lmao  :sporedrop: I'll see how that goes and if I can hydrate the spores enough, transfer to agar and see if it will germ and clean up from there. Thinking about making a lil write up on my journey of trying to germ all my older spores, I also have a few different species in syringes that are about 4 years old. All stored at room temp in a sealed storage tub.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27151705 - 01/16/21 03:44 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

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My albino a+ tub colonized for about 10 days before introducing fruiting conditions. It has now been about 10 days in fruiting conditions..Now I have lots of prior experience but I haven’t ran into such a slower rate of growth with my tubs before this strain. Now I know that all cubes is strains have the same potential as others, but I don’t know if albinos are slow or what. I figured I’d post pics and get some feed back since I have yet to see any tiny primordia. however, if I am seeing what I’ve seen before in my experience, it seems like the hyphal knots are beginning to populate the tub. I appreciate the help!






OP, had the same experience with AA+, very slow but worth the wait!


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27155001 - 01/18/21 09:17 AM (3 years, 10 days ago)

Still waiting :/


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27158905 - 01/20/21 07:49 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

Been two days since my last post and I'm still waiting.. it seems that in some areas some of the mycelial growth is beginning to come to a head like it does when the primordial begins to form. However, its hard to tell if its really moving in the right direction or not..Im getting a bit concerned lol. Another thing to think about; I created aa+ LC from a MS syringe, it was healthy mycelial growth and no signs of contams whatsoever in the LC. Could there possibly be a bacterial infection, one that I'm not able to see/smell?


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: ShroomTomb420]
    #27158917 - 01/20/21 07:55 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

I have ran a lot of aa+ over the past year. It's slow. Very slow compared to my Thai lipa yai and Burma. It's not a true Albino. Luecistic. Sometimes you get all tan fruits. Others you can get the white fruits. I have noticed mine were more likely to be pale if using light on the blue end of the spectrum.

As long as there isn't funk and the substrate has plenty of moisture just give it time. They'll fruit unless it's a genetic issue.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: ivey77]
    #27158920 - 01/20/21 07:59 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

Got anything specific to look for in terms of moisture content not being sufficient? I know that there needs to be a few droplets collected on the substate, but are there any other indicators? Also, how common is it to have a genetic issue that inhibits fruiting?


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27158969 - 01/20/21 08:30 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

The walls of the tub should have some condensation. Did you case? Easiest way to create perfect moisture content.

Genetics like that aren't a common occurrence but I've had it happen from isolation I was working with to get an eventual monoculture. Which absolutely isn't necessary. I just was because why not,

I put my second or third agar transfer into fruiting conditions and fruit from the agar then take the clone from it. Guaranteed aggressive culture that should yield evenly and strong.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: ivey77]
    #27159007 - 01/20/21 08:53 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

I did like a "pseudo" casing. It's where you mix all myourspawn/sub then add another layer of sub which would be the casing and then put into consolidation. I forgot on this tub I wanted to case when it was completely colonized and then wait about 2 days and then put into fruiting because I have had success with that. For some reason this AA+ just had me second guessing what I've done so many times because of it's slow growth. I had 3 shoeboxes going, fully colonized and everything that I tossed out before this tub because I thought they were stalled.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27159044 - 01/20/21 09:10 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

I don't add extra sub. I use 1 to 1.5. I mix (I have specific ph I use because of past trich issues with the environment available to me. 7.4 except the last inch or so of substrate and it's 7.8 typically. After I remove from colonization I add vermiculite about a cm at 8.0 but coir and verm are neutral ph and it's not required).

You want no nutrition in the casing layer. Vermiculite is my favorite but plenty others available. It just helps create that surface conditions you need. You can fruit without casing on aa. I can't successfully fruit cubensis without it. But many do. Trial and error definitely. If you run into a lot of frustration step back from this particular variety and get a domesticated fast one like z strain or Thai lipa yai. Get the confidence back and time to reevaluate your approach. I am doing that with APE. Only had minimal success and pissed off at the time invested. So I'm running atl 7 and z st


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: ivey77]
    #27159056 - 01/20/21 09:19 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

Very relatable reply bro haha.. Ive been planning on getting some Burma literally for the intention of reevaluating my procedure. Do I have a good chance of fruit on this tub you think? just by pics I've posted previously


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27159116 - 01/20/21 09:47 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

I think so. Unless you see funk or heavy overlay just let it run. It's a fickle bitch that aa


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    #27159119 - 01/20/21 09:48 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

Consider Thai lipa yai over Burma. It's been domesticated well for fast and strong colonization. Very aggressive and gorgeous flushes. I have an affinity for the Thailand varieties.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: ShroomTomb420]
    #27159126 - 01/20/21 09:52 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

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AA+ is one that I keep in rotation, it is pretty slow to colonize and fruit. You can speed that up by cloning one of the larger, faster maturing fruits from your tub. Put a sample to agar, clean, inoculate, and repeat a few times. You'll find that you end up with more aggressive mycelial growth, even pin sets/full canopies, and larger fruiting bodies.




Going to be doing this with some of my larger AA+ fruits that I did a spore print from a harvest that was ohh about...coming up on almost 4 years ago lmao  :sporedrop: I'll see how that goes and if I can hydrate the spores enough, transfer to agar and see if it will germ and clean up from there. Thinking about making a lil write up on my journey of trying to germ all my older spores, I also have a few different species in syringes that are about 4 years old. All stored at room temp in a sealed storage tub.



I just got my first almost canopy of large AA+, feels pretty good because tbh these things are the strongest I have ever encountered. I swear I have aliens growing lol.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: ivey77]
    #27159147 - 01/20/21 09:58 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

I have 8 aa+ bro half-pint jars that will be ready tomorrow to add to my sub and begin colonizing. Same size tub everything, is there any recommendations on how i should go about this, specific to the aa+?


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27159160 - 01/20/21 10:03 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

I use WBS not brf but the way I've seen BRF put to tubs is crumble well, mix, light layer of verm and mist. Don't forget to dunk before spawning.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: Professor X]
    #27159167 - 01/20/21 10:06 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

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I use WBS not brf but the way I've seen BRF put to tubs is crumble well, mix, light layer of verm and mist. Don't forget to dunk before spawning.




wrong brf/pf tek need no dunk if your spawning to bulk as the substrate will provide the needed moisture.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27159168 - 01/20/21 10:06 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

I personally don't birth cakes to bulk. They are designed for ms inoculation and less than perfect condition. Designed to learn how to grow for the beginner and make cultivation widely available. But you increase your chances of getting funk. Many do it with success but if I can fuck something up I will. I use whole oats from the feed store. And a little millet for more inoculate points and nutrition diversity. In a pinch regular popcorn. And gypsum. Even in my brf cakes I use gypsum.

If you are going to spawn to bulk I personally use 30 to 35% coir, 60%horse shit and a little bit of vermiculite and gypsum in the substrate. I sterilize my shit separate from the other ingredients which get the bucket tek. Then mix together when I spawn. Put in colonization for 10 or more days. When I put in the fruiting chamber I case with a cm of vermiculite. Close the chamber plug a line feeding fog and fresh o2 on a cycle and don't unseal or open until ready for harvest of first flush. I try to leave them alone as much as possible.


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: ivey77]
    #27159186 - 01/20/21 10:13 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

Literally all of my mono tub grows have been brf cakes shredded for spawn. Have never had any contam problem. Ive maybe had one jar tossed this whole year not to mention none of my tubs have suffered from contamination(ever). I am a very precise person, perfectionist if you will; I rely on consistency and proper techniques and I have always benefitted from that with the mushrooms.. So you can see why I am so disheveled about this XD


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27159194 - 01/20/21 10:15 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

treasure coast is a very good one to grow IMO as well when it comes to its rapid fruiting and colonization


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Re: Albino a+ monotub feedback? [Re: jazzycnt]
    #27159204 - 01/20/21 10:21 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

And many are extremely successful with the technique. I am not one of those people. If you have successfully been using it then don't change it.


I love treasure coast. I have the experience it takes a little longer to fully colonize the spawn and sub. First flush lags about 4 days longer than the Thai lipa yai. But from there it's rapid and great yield. Occasionally I've gotten an Albino lookin fruit from it. It's a great cube. A good one to have. I just put some spores from last year from one of the grows to agar. Eventually I'll run it again. But I just got 5 new prints and syringes. Atl 7,pe6,z strain, psilocybe cyanescens, and panaeolus cyanescens just ordered.

I'm still deciding if I will do pe6 right now. It's on agar but if it's the pain in the dick ape is I'll wait to do it.


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