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Anonymous #1

Americans
    #27134841 - 01/08/21 10:02 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

As a non-American, nothing about America seems appealing to me. I don't mean to understate the current circumstances, but I wonder, to the Americans on here, why not leave and live somewhere nice? I'm not trying to dig at anyone, I'd like to know what you think is keeping you there.

I don't watch news. I know many people that have significants complaints, my question is directed to those that are dissatisified.


Edited by Anonymous (01/08/21 11:52 AM)


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Anonymous #2

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27134848 - 01/08/21 10:09 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Where do you suggest?






You’ve got a narrow field view of America and that’s ok. A lot of Americans are being exposed as pieces of shit right now.

But the US is a special place. Drive the west coast of the US and tell me America has no appeal. Or imagine a world without blues and jazz and movies from America.

People hate America but people also love America, all around the world. Music and film around the world are heavily influenced by America. America has led the way in computer science as well. Imagine a world without Silicon Valley.


So yeah I hate ignorant rednecks too. But if all you’re watching is the news, you have no idea what America is. It has been cool especially for Europeans to hate and shit on Americans for a long time now. Mostly due to actions of the American government but also due to a lot of ignorant rednecks. This is a huge place. You’ve got rednecks but you’ve also got New York City, Los Angeles... cultural hubs of the world.



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Anonymous #1

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27134855 - 01/08/21 10:13 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Canada could be easy, lots of lovely places in Europe. Japan is sensational.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27134858 - 01/08/21 10:15 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

As a non american who wanted to emigrate for a long time I can say I find attractive for example that their state law structure is allowing them to have some of the more progressive drug laws in  the western world, especially compared to good old draconian prohibitionist europe. Also remember all the studies and most of the entertainment like music or movies come from the US, so yeah cities lile los angeles always had an appeal, for a change a place where still not many but at least some more artists can actually make a decent living, I think thats nice.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27134860 - 01/08/21 10:15 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I like nice open spaces? hate other ppl?


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Anonymous #5

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #27134974 - 01/08/21 11:18 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Now now, I'm sure most rednecks are actually fine people. (Or rather, city people aren't any better).

Japan is xenophobic and you will never be accepted if you aren't racially Japanese. Korea is racist. China is totalitarian. UK: shitty weather, bigotry, and random violence. Middle east: religious governments and closed attitudes. Southeast Asia, Africa: poor countries so it's hard to earn a good living and be able to retire some day. Poor average education. Canada: cold. South America: crime and kidnappings. Brazil, Portugal, Taiwan: the language is hard to learn. France: I've known too many French people. Mexico: hot, meh economy. Russia: cold, totalitarian government. Sweden: weird politics. Netherlands/Norway/Denmark/Finland: how will you date when the locals are better looking than you?

Canada does seem like the closest to being a country without any serious issues. But no country is even ideal, let alone perfect.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #4] * 1
    #27135003 - 01/08/21 11:26 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Not everyone is able to migrate to other countries. It is not like every other country has an open door for immigrants/expats. Not everybody has the money either. But besides this, the USA is not as homogenous as some may want to think and this makes for a great deal of choices within the same country. Different communities, different landscapes, etc. If you just focus on the negative, everywhere you look you will see negative. If you are open to see the good things that exist everywhere, you will realize that you can appreciate the good things and friends that exist around you.


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Anonymous #7

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #27137626 - 01/09/21 12:52 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

The entire "leave and go somewhere nice" isn't always as easy as people make it out to be. I actually wanted to move to and get my master's in Germany pre-COVID and eventually become a citizen. I studied abroad there in undergrad. It takes a long time to not only get used to the language of a foreign country if the primary language isn't English, but depending on the place, there are legal restrictions on your ability to stay for long enough. I personally could not have stayed because I wouldn't have been able to get a VISA without being a student there and/or having a job high in demand. It's probably different for other countries, but I don't think it's necessarily as easy as people make it out to be


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Anonymous #8

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #7] * 1
    #27138060 - 01/09/21 04:53 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

most people dont really have the means to move. because america is so great and prosperous, the cost of living is very high. so all money gets spent on just barely scraping by.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #27138612 - 01/09/21 09:52 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #8 said:
most people dont really have the means to move. because america is so great and prosperous, the cost of living is very high. so all money gets spent on just barely scraping by.



On the contrary, the US dollar has relatively high value. If you are saving a little bit, the minimum cost of moving is almost nothing. Moving from a poor country like the Philippines to a rich country like the US would be much harder. That's not to dismiss the struggles of the poor in the US. I feel for them, but it doesn't hold a candle to someone in Cambodia dreaming of emigrating and wondering how to pay for a month of rent in a western country.


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Anonymous #9

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #5] * 1
    #27138928 - 01/10/21 02:38 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #5 said:
On the contrary, the US dollar has relatively high value. If you are saving a little bit, the minimum cost of moving is almost nothing.



LOL, you're American aren't you?

Almost nothing? Show us how please, because for 99% of people that is far from the truth. Rich people maybe. The cost of moving to a different country is actually incredibly high, and that's on top of all the legal bullshit mumbo-jumbo if you can round it. Without a bunch of savings, and some kind of sponsorship or family to help moving to another country permanently is a very tricky business.

But what American wants to honestly consider that when they're shouting 'if yew dun like it bwoy, then yew can giddaut!!'



Quote:

Anonymous #5 said:
Japan is xenophobic and you will never be accepted if you aren't racially Japanese. Korea is racist. China is totalitarian. UK: shitty weather, bigotry, and random violence. Middle east: religious governments and closed attitudes. Southeast Asia, Africa: poor countries so it's hard to earn a good living and be able to retire some day. Poor average education. Canada: cold. South America: crime and kidnappings. Brazil, Portugal, Taiwan: the language is hard to learn. France: I've known too many French people. Mexico: hot, meh economy. Russia: cold, totalitarian government. Sweden: weird politics. Netherlands/Norway/Denmark/Finland: how will you date when the locals are better looking than you?



Amazing cognitive dissonance reductionism to prove that America is the greatest right there.



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Anonymous #10

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #27138994 - 01/10/21 04:11 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #5 said:
Netherlands/Norway/Denmark/Finland: how will you date when the locals are better looking than you?




I'm most insulted by this. You don't know how pretty I am. My mom says I'm a very handsome boy.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #27139099 - 01/10/21 06:38 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #9 said:Amazing cognitive dissonance reductionism to prove that America is the greatest right there.





Lol, that post didn't meet my minimum standards for civility when talking with strangers. I'm not going to answer your questions or explain what you misunderstood. Enjoy your day!


Edited by Anonymous (01/10/21 06:39 AM)


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Anonymous #8

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #27139952 - 01/10/21 02:33 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

anon9 has a lot of pent up aggression and insecurities going on.


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Anonymous #9

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #27140359 - 01/10/21 06:24 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #5 said:
I'm not going to answer your questions or explain what you misunderstood.



How incredibly unsurprising. A man who thinks the minimum cost of moving to an entirely new country is 'almost nothing', and has nothing but bad things to say about almost every country/continent other than America can't defend his viewpoints when they're challenged.

Lord have mercy!!


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Anonymous #11

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #27140511 - 01/10/21 07:26 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
Not everyone is able to migrate to other countries. It is not like every other country has an open door for immigrants/expats. Not everybody has the money either. But besides this, the USA is not as homogenous as some may want to think and this makes for a great deal of choices within the same country. Different communities, different landscapes, etc.




I agree with this the most. It would be expensive and complicated to move out of country and I would assume thats the main reason. Also, Americans are overall pretty Patriotic and dare I say stubborn and wish to stay, despite all the social and governmental issues existing here.


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Anonymous #12

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27142295 - 01/11/21 03:56 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Where do you suggest?






You’ve got a narrow field view of America and that’s ok. A lot of Americans are being exposed as pieces of shit right now.

But the US is a special place. Drive the west coast of the US and tell me America has no appeal. Or imagine a world without blues and jazz and movies from America.

People hate America but people also love America, all around the world. Music and film around the world are heavily influenced by America. America has led the way in computer science as well. Imagine a world without Silicon Valley.


So yeah I hate ignorant rednecks too. But if all you’re watching is the news, you have no idea what America is. It has been cool especially for Europeans to hate and shit on Americans for a long time now. Mostly due to actions of the American government but also due to a lot of ignorant rednecks. This is a huge place. You’ve got rednecks but you’ve also got New York City, Los Angeles... cultural hubs of the world.






You seem to have a deep disdain of "rednecks".

Let me ask you, and serious question, if you could have every "redneck" systematically exterminated off the face of the United States, would you do it?


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Anonymous #8

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #27142408 - 01/11/21 05:03 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

im a fan of re-education camps personally


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Anonymous #13

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #27142422 - 01/11/21 05:12 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

If people aren’t careful they’re going to miss the part where history repeats itself again.


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Anonymous #14

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #27144643 - 01/12/21 08:33 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

The US is a great place to live if you have money, if you're in the bottom 70% it's a real shitty experience for most of those people. Being poor or broke in the US is no different than living in most third world countries these days. If you have decent money in the US, it's really a decent place to live for a variety of different reasons.


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Anonymous #15

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #27144786 - 01/12/21 10:15 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

I like to hunt with guns


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Anonymous #2

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #27145591 - 01/13/21 10:41 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

.


Edited by Anonymous (02/13/22 12:19 AM)


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Anonymous #16

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27145660 - 01/13/21 11:11 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)



America is the land of opportunity. If your not a lazy waste of life who doesn't do shit cause you're fucking stupid you might not like it. You can always go to a protest and bitch about how you got it bad tho. They'll accept you.


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Anonymous #14

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #27145706 - 01/13/21 11:35 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:


America is the land of opportunity. If your not a lazy waste of life who doesn't do shit cause you're fucking stupid you might not like it. You can always go to a protest and bitch about how you got it bad tho. They'll accept you.




What type opportunity does the US offer its citizens today?  Because most are living under economic oppression.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #27145719 - 01/13/21 11:41 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

They say they are but the fact of the matter is if you do the simple things you are supposed to do! Finish highschool go to college etc. Wich is all payed for by the government for the most part you should have just as much opportunity to make something of yourself as anyone else. The people saying they are oppressed failed to do the shit they were supposed to do. Also race doesn't have anything to do with it. Stop dropping out of highschool and drinking fortys on the curb wit ya boys.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #27145768 - 01/13/21 12:00 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

.


Edited by Anonymous (02/13/22 12:19 AM)


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Anonymous #17

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #14] * 1
    #27145811 - 01/13/21 12:20 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #14 said:
The US is a great place to live if you have money, if you're in the bottom 70% it's a real shitty experience for most of those people. Being poor or broke in the US is no different than living in most third world countries these days. If you have decent money in the US, it's really a decent place to live for a variety of different reasons.




Only a middle class american would say something like this blatent falsehood.

I have lived in the projects, we had clean drinking water, electricity, heat, indoor plumbing, access to healthcare and enough to eat, things most people in third world countries do not have.


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Anonymous #14

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #27146569 - 01/13/21 08:28 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
They say they are but the fact of the matter is if you do the simple things you are supposed to do! Finish highschool go to college etc. Wich is all payed for by the government for the most part you should have just as much opportunity to make something of yourself as anyone else. The people saying they are oppressed failed to do the shit they were supposed to do. Also race doesn't have anything to do with it. Stop dropping out of highschool and drinking fortys on the curb wit ya boys.





No, the people that did what they were suppose to do are still fucked economically, what the hell are you talking about?  College grads making 28-35k per year with student debt with no ability to save money or buy much of anything other than basic needs. No ability to buy homes, decent cars, vacations or save for retirement.  The bottom 50% of ALL US citizens don't even have $1000 bucks, that's called economic oppression.


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Anonymous #14

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27146581 - 01/13/21 08:36 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #14 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:


America is the land of opportunity. If your not a lazy waste of life who doesn't do shit cause you're fucking stupid you might not like it. You can always go to a protest and bitch about how you got it bad tho. They'll accept you.




What type opportunity does the US offer its citizens today?  Because most are living under economic oppression.



Americans have on average a higher ratio of income to rent and expenses compared to many other countries. More expendable income.

I’m living very comfortably right now and it’s not like I was born into money, or even have an expensive college education. It’s because I live in a place where jobs are plentiful and pay relatively well. I wouldn’t expect to move to another country and be able to live as comfortably as I do now.

Yes there are bad parts of the country where I wouldn’t have the same opportunities. It’s a huge place. Many states are larger than whole European countries. Just because you heard about the worst parts of the country, does not mean that is representative of the whole country.




Rent to incomes are at all-time highs, that's a horrible result. https://www.cbpp.org/blog/census-income-rent-gap-grew-in-2018

Where does the US rank in median wealth?


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Anonymous #18

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #27148743 - 01/14/21 10:00 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

The grass is always greener.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Americans [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27159911 - 01/20/21 04:46 PM (3 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
As a non-American, nothing about America seems appealing to me. I don't mean to understate the current circumstances, but I wonder, to the Americans on here, why not leave and live somewhere nice? I'm not trying to dig at anyone, I'd like to know what you think is keeping you there.

I don't watch news. I know many people that have significants complaints, my question is directed to those that are dissatisified.




You have to be trolling. If not, surely it has crossed your mind that most people don't have the means to simply uproot their lives and go live in a new country.

Aside from that, the United States isn't so bad as long as you don't live in abject poverty. Our government is certainly a shit show and our healthcare sucks, but other than that I don't have any complaints.


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