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Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here?
#27133517 - 01/07/21 05:38 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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This is something I’ve been thinking about. By Definition, a schedule 1 substance must have no medical value, and have a high potential for abuse, however there is vast amount of legit scientific evidence showing the contrary. The reason other substances are not schedule 1 is because of scientific evidence showing that they have medical value. What’s the difference? There is also plenty of evidence showing the safety profile of psychedelics, and the zip to none addiction potential. Why can’t you just take this law to the Supreme Court and have them rescheduled? (Or better yet, unscheduled, where they should be). Why would it even require a vote? Is there not some system in place for unjust laws like this? And then you take a look at alcohol, which literally fits the description of a schedule 1 drug lol. What am I missing here? What is the hold up?
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27133538 - 01/07/21 05:47 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Because like....the man......maaaaaaaaaan

In all seriousness I believe research institutions such as MAPS are trying to atleast get them off of schedule 1 and onto a different scheduling with medical usage
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#27133590 - 01/07/21 06:06 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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I know about the current movements I just don’t understand why it even requires a movement.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27133615 - 01/07/21 06:19 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Because the catholic church saw the Mayans taking the mushrooms and surmised that it was paganism in nature. So they banned it. Our culture was founded off Christianity so naturally it was just passed down
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Hawkbill]
#27133624 - 01/07/21 06:22 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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What about LSD, DMT, and mescaline?
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind] 2
#27133705 - 01/07/21 06:48 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Political reasons that go back to Richard Nixon's war on drugs. Science clearly shows very little to no addiction potential and potential use in psychotherapy.
As per your questions:
Why can’t you just take this law to the Supreme Court and have them rescheduled? (Or better yet, unscheduled, where they should be).
Cannabis has been brought to the Supreme Court and they declined hearing the case ( https://www.marijuanamoment.net/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-marijuana-case-challenging-deas-restrictive-classification/ ). One would expect a similar fate for psychedelics.
Why would it even require a vote?
Because it is about changing/overriding a current law.
Is there not some system in place for unjust laws like this?
Just like any other laws it is up to the lawmakers. Unjust laws, like any other law require a process to follow in order to modify them.
And then you take a look at alcohol, which literally fits the description of a schedule 1 drug lol. What am I missing here? What is the hold up?
You are right on the money. But our politicians, lawmakers and religious leaders think otherwise and will do anything in their power to prevent change.
Edited by VP123 (01/07/21 06:52 PM)
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: VP123] 1
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I think part of the reason they were put in schedule 1 was Timothy Leary scaring the medical establishment with what he was doing and the counter culture that seemed to make government actually fear the citizenry because people were thinking for themselves
Nixon threw them in schedule 1. I think they are there because if legal, they would put pharmaceutical companies out of business. Psychedelics have tremendous healing qualities, so there is no "medicinal value" for the medical establishment to have them readily available, if the psychedelics are done correctly, most people could, and likely would, quit their daily medications if their trip went smoothly
Most pharmaceutical companies rely on people to take the meds every day--it's a steady stream of income. If psychedelics were readily available, people would only feel the need to take them occasionally and possibly, most likely, they would quit their daily meds if they were psychoactive, meant to "treat" a psychological issue. They would get their life changing experience from tripping and learn how to not need their daily "medicine"
It's Big Pharma greed, nothing more.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: VP123]
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This is literally insane. To think that someone growing mushrooms to use in their own home for treating their depression/ptsd can be locked in a cell for a year or more on a manufacturing charge. It’s almost hard to believe. At least with Oregon legalizing them for therapy it’s only a matter of time before the evidence is so overwhelming and the movement is so strong (and more widely accepted) that they have no choice but to reschedule (or legalize) them. There’s really no stopping it.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27134131 - 01/07/21 09:31 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Oregon also legalized personal quantities of all schedule 1 drugs (or at least a majority of them - didn't check the full list).
SO overnight the large qty of tea in my freezer became legal to possess...
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#27134226 - 01/07/21 10:59 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on consciousness. They want people to be programmed by the media with fear and anger. It's control, but hopefully the psychedelic reform is coming
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Rise against]
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27134273 - 01/07/21 11:46 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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I genuinely think they destroy the illusion of separation, and we can't have that with the current social/power structure.
People naturally connecting to abundance and making shit work without centralized control is pretty much the system's biggest nightmare lol.
They want dependence and separation on all levels, not the opposite.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: VP123] 1
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VP123 said: Political reasons that go back to Richard Nixon's war on drugs. Science clearly shows very little to no addiction potential and potential use in psychotherapy.
This.
Think of it this way: you have a massive military government fighting an unjust war in Vietnam. Then, you have a bunch of young people all across America protesting the obviously unjust war. Unfortunately for the government, it's not illegal to protest a war in the US, so they had to find some other way to dismantle the anti-war movement.
Hmm... I wonder what unifies all of these youthful protestors. Well, they all like rock n' roll music, like the stuff they played at Woodstock! No, we can't make music illegal... Well, how about their political affiliations? We could brand them all as leftists and have another red scare! No, we already know how that went down back in the fifties...
Ooh, it looks like a lot of these youthful protestors are ingesting this chemical: LSD. What is this LSD stuff? Oh, it's a chemical that was discovered in the late 30's and researched legally by American psychiatrists as a treatment for alcoholism and other mental health disorders for about 30 years? Perfect, that'll work. Let's make that illegal. Then we can start arresting the protestors. This'll break up their anti-war nonsense and let us get back to dropping napalm on the Vietnamese. USA! USA!
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#27134572 - 01/08/21 06:42 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Still, I would think that we would have the power to change unjust law without a vote if evidence was provided that it was unjust. But I guess not.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind] 2
#27134865 - 01/08/21 10:19 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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InvisibleMind said: Still, I would think that we would have the power to change unjust law without a vote if evidence was provided that it was unjust. But I guess not.
Well, you have to keep in mind that, in addition to the ban being put in place, the media launched an aggressive fear campaign to brand LSD as a dangerous narcotic that would make your kids jump out of a building or go into a catatonic state thinking they were a glass of orange juice. Those two stories in particular are so widespread they still remain in popular consciousness even fifty years later.
A lot of people are really scared of LSD and other psychedelics (or they don't even know that other psychedelics exist in the first place - many people aren't even aware of psilocybin, mescaline, or DMT, especially when compared to LSD). So, for that reason, it isn't an unjust law to them - it's just protecting our children from harm.
You gotta pretend you're trying to explain LSD to a bunch of Hank Hills. For many people, psychedelics are just "narcotics" or "drugs" and nothing more.
Education is key. We don't need to only provide the facts to our lawmakers, but we need to get the general population on board with it as well, which is a much bigger task.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
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InvisibleMind said: Still, I would think that we would have the power to change unjust law without a vote if evidence was provided that it was unjust. But I guess not.
If a petition is given to whitehouse.gov with 100k signatures they have to address the petition
Could always mass call senators and congressmembers
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: skOsH]
#27135460 - 01/08/21 02:53 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Change will come but its always a slow moving thing. In the mean time we shall just take our drugs as always.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: skOsH]
#27135775 - 01/08/21 04:53 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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InvisibleMind said: Still, I would think that we would have the power to change unjust law without a vote if evidence was provided that it was unjust. But I guess not.
If a petition is given to whitehouse.gov with 100k signatures they have to address the petition
Could always mass call senators and congressmembers
Currently working on an essay that I want to get signed by a bunch of my community members that I will be mailing to my own congress people
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] 1
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Seems already good answers. Other piece of the puzzle is that the public is uneducated, and politicians, (who make the laws) only want to get reelected, and have little integrity, imagination, or any desire to change things for the better. They are mostly rather slimy examples, of the species.
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#27136139 - 01/08/21 07:32 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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InvisibleMind said: I know about the current movements I just don’t understand why it even requires a movement.
because to the political right and Regan/Nixon types the "blacks and hippies are bad" and the government realized they could totally squash an entire liberal generational movement by making psychedelics illegal and imposing very harsh restrictions, who gives a fuck who gets caught up in things they knew are harmless. not only that, they knew how fucking awesome psychedelics are and they all took them! everywhere you see that back in the day government officials tripping out. by making weed and psychedelics illegal, the Republicans in the 70s/80s managed to squash an entire generational movement away from them that threatened there power.
so they make drugs illegal, while doing the drugs, also while profiting off of the drugs, while lying to us the whole time. any more questions?
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#27136654 - 01/09/21 12:15 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Typerwritermonky said: so they make drugs illegal, while doing the drugs, also while profiting off of the drugs, while lying to us the whole time. any more questions?
Don't forget that the CIA also spent American tax dollars on researching the usage of LSD as a chemical weapon. The CIA hired prostitutes to lure men from the streets in California into special apartment buildings during the sixties, who would then dose them with LSD while CIA researchers watched the whole thing from the other side of a two-way mirror. Today, we know those incidents as small pieces of a much larger operation known as MKULTRA.
The CIA's research with LSD was so reckless that it even killed a man. His name was Frank Olson. Olson was a doctor doing research for the CIA at the time, and he was invited to a "retreat" in a cabin in the woods by his superiors. This "retreat" was really a research project, though the invitees weren't informed of this. They were dosed with LSD during a meal in the cabin one night. Olson had a particularly difficult time integrating the experience, and he became severely depressed as a result. His family said that he basically became a different person. He was at risk of suicide and he needed help immediately. However, the CIA was more interested in covering their own asses and denying culpability than they were in helping him recover. One of their psychologists decided to send him to a mental institution (at the time, mental institutions were hellholes due to lack of funding and staff). Olson committed suicide the night before he was scheduled to be transferred to the institution.
This isn't just a conspiracy theory, either. Long after MKULTRA was canceled and much of the documentation was leaked to the public, the president made an official apology to Olson's surviving family, with a huge cash settlement to accompany it. The CIA admitted to drugging Olson against his will.
The history of LSD is pretty fucked up, honestly.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
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History is crazy fucked up. Even the "good guys" like the major hippie types who controlled things, I mean, they were nice, good, loving people - but they did some bad things back in the day to keep things quiet and going. Even the people selling hundreds of grams of the best quality LSD in the world, have done some unspeakable things. There's a massive underground huge level network of people who are a lot dirtier then we like to imagine. But remarkably, unlike any other drug, LSD dealers tend to be the most honest, respectful, genuine, and nice people in general. Now i've known scumbag as fuck big time LSD dealers and I've known really kind heroin dealers.. but still.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27147520 - 01/14/21 11:13 AM (3 years, 14 days ago) |
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works for me. tells you how strong they are, and potentially dangerous. discourages the free flowing distribution of them by people who grow them for their own use. i most certainely would never sell them to anyone i knew. mushrooms are a personal endevour, they should not be thought of casually in any sense. i’ve taken them 15> times now, and never find them predictable, and i’d never classify them as safe. i’d hate it if you could legally buy them. i imagine they’d get a really bad rep pretty quick and shut a lot of people off from trying them.
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Maybe I've just had different experiences with them, but I've actually found mushrooms to be far safer than most other drugs I've tried. In particular, it's a lot safer than alcohol.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] 1
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Politics over humanity :/
Though, we have been stuck in that stigma since the 60's - things are slowly making a change, in some BIG ways. I think within another 20 years or so things will be a lot different in regards to psychedelics.
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It's because of the enormous socio-cultural changes that resulted from the widespread use of hallucinogens in the 60's. It was associated with revolutuion and the dissolution of morality as they saw it. It was associated with anti-government movements, hippies n yippees. In all fairness, it was the recreational use and irresponsible (I hate to say it) behavior of people like Timothy Leary and Ram Dass (Whom I do admire) who, while encouraging everyone to turn on, tune in and drop out, was actually turning responsible researchers who were looking at benefits scientifically off.
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Agreed. The idea that our reality is not the whole picture scares the crap out of most people. I think most use these days is more responsible than it ws in the 60's and 70's. More reflective and thoughtful Thing is, the counter-culture (Hippies) made it political. They were saying things like "Don't trust anyone over 30" and burning draft cards and bras. And it WAS actually associated with LSD use.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
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Maybe I've just had different experiences with them, but I've actually found mushrooms to be far safer than most other drugs I've tried. In particular, it's a lot safer than alcohol.
True that. Legalization (it's happening now in Oregon) would help immensely as there is no valid reason for them to be scheduled - never was. It was an international paranoid movement way back in the days of ignorance that led to that.
Psychedelics are almost uniformly self-limiting and very hard to develop any sort of addiction to. Can't say that about legal drugs.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
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Because generally speaking "medical value" has been defined as a large and well-controlled study suitable for FDA approval. That doesn't exist. It's a similar situation for marijuana. "Medical value" isn't people on the internet professing a substance has medical value, its a more established term.
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Because they want brainwashed slaves
Not free thinkers who go against the statua quo
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Enkidu]
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I have had this same conversation with friends tripping like 20+ and the emotion and passion with which you respond reminds me of myself when I was younger and I find that incredibly endearing.
Everyone that has responded has lumped the myriad of reasons together. You could blame the young progressives or the older conservatives, but in the end it’s just people being people. Control...
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
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Schedule 1 was just simply what they decided back in the late 60s when it became illegal. A lot of people were really overdoing it with high doses and having freak-outs. Timothy Loery and his brainwashing (I like some of things he said but he went about getting the masses to take lsd in the wrong way) It was really only accepted as medicine in the realm of psychology. Psychology was looked at a lot differently back then. They thought that lsd could help people experience the perspective of a person with schizophrenia. They thought it mimiced schizophrenia and that's why they thought it was so dangerous but people were taking crazy high doses. People NOW pretty much know not to take "too much." You do hear about these freak-outs at festivals but not a lot like in the 60s.
There's a YouTube video, "Hofmann's Potion" and "Inside LSD" that goes into the history of it and why exactly it became illegal and how they scheduled it #1.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27156720 - 01/19/21 04:16 AM (3 years, 9 days ago) |
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Well at the same time right before it became illegal they were doing testing for its use with things like substance abuse, alcoholism, it had a much better success rate than the alternative at the time.
There was data at that time suggesting its use for beneficial means
That was ignored, testing was illegal soon as the substance was.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Enkidu]
#27157298 - 01/19/21 11:41 AM (3 years, 9 days ago) |
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I'll throw some of my thought on this into the ring.
I'm not a huge fan of legalisation. I remember being at a big music festival that was mostly focused on reggae and other reggae based musics. As you could probably guess there was a fair bit of ganja there and a lot of talk about ganja, it's uses, the laws, and so on. One thing that struck me was that there were a lot of big, established companies pushing hard for legalisation. Chomping at the bit to unleash a tsunami of material goods onto a new market. That give me the chills. I don't not trust companies operating in our current economic system to behave in a way that has the public's best interest at heart. They would squeeze every last bit of money out of their customers while riding on any band wagon that touted the vaguest claims about weed being good for you and I believe actively try and suppress information about it's potential harms.
I can only imagine the same happening with psychedelics. I'm not saying that it's what would definitely happen, just that it isn't outside the realms of possibility. And whose to say that without sensible policy it couldn't be managed? I don't live in the states and the time I have speant there has been in the wilderness not the cities, so I haven't had any real exposure to how legalisation is working there. I'd love to hear if any of the my first paragraphy can be seen?
What's the alternative? Well treating drug use as a criminal issue has obviously lead to a huge can of worms being dumped on some of the most vulnerable people within our societies. And black market drug dealers and producers aren't saints. Could we trust state regulation? Maybe it wouldn't be so bad. I think making drugs 'boring' would actually be hugely beneficial. I think being able to buy shrooms, weed, whatever in some drab cardboard box from an un-decorated government outlet would be preferential to some highly coloured, mango flavoured, dope(c) sponsored by Nike(tm). However, the chance of that leading to some list of who is and isn't using these outlets is too high. I know there were people in South America (I forget the country that legalised weed not too long ago) who were going to continue to grow their own illegally as they distrusted their government so much and feared having their names entered into a big database of known pot smokers.
The one thing I am sure of is that drug use needs to become a health issue and be dealt with away from the criminal justice system. Education needs to be objective and based on science. I am equally worried about the pro-drug propagandists as I am the anti.
Beyond that how you handle the production and distribution sides of the whole affair is beyond me.
At the end of the day it's a bummer that I have to hide my dozen jars of dried mushrooms.
PFfftttt.. semi-rant over.
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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: coversall]
#27157353 - 01/19/21 12:06 PM (3 years, 9 days ago) |
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Quote:
coversall said: I'll throw some of my thought on this into the ring.
I'm not a huge fan of legalisation. I remember being at a big music festival that was mostly focused on reggae and other reggae based musics. As you could probably guess there was a fair bit of ganja there and a lot of talk about ganja, it's uses, the laws, and so on. One thing that struck me was that there were a lot of big, established companies pushing hard for legalisation. Chomping at the bit to unleash a tsunami of material goods onto a new market. That give me the chills. I don't not trust companies operating in our current economic system to behave in a way that has the public's best interest at heart. They would squeeze every last bit of money out of their customers while riding on any band wagon that touted the vaguest claims about weed being good for you and I believe actively try and suppress information about it's potential harms.
I can only imagine the same happening with psychedelics. I'm not saying that it's what would definitely happen, just that it isn't outside the realms of possibility. And whose to say that without sensible policy it couldn't be managed? I don't live in the states and the time I have speant there has been in the wilderness not the cities, so I haven't had any real exposure to how legalisation is working there. I'd love to hear if any of the my first paragraphy can be seen?
What's the alternative? Well treating drug use as a criminal issue has obviously lead to a huge can of worms being dumped on some of the most vulnerable people within our societies. And black market drug dealers and producers aren't saints. Could we trust state regulation? Maybe it wouldn't be so bad. I think making drugs 'boring' would actually be hugely beneficial. I think being able to buy shrooms, weed, whatever in some drab cardboard box from an un-decorated government outlet would be preferential to some highly coloured, mango flavoured, dope(c) sponsored by Nike(tm). However, the chance of that leading to some list of who is and isn't using these outlets is too high. I know there were people in South America (I forget the country that legalised weed not too long ago) who were going to continue to grow their own illegally as they distrusted their government so much and feared having their names entered into a big database of known pot smokers.
The one thing I am sure of is that drug use needs to become a health issue and be dealt with away from the criminal justice system. Education needs to be objective and based on science. I am equally worried about the pro-drug propagandists as I am the anti.
Beyond that how you handle the production and distribution sides of the whole affair is beyond me.
At the end of the day it's a bummer that I have to hide my dozen jars of dried mushrooms.
PFfftttt.. semi-rant over.

Thanks for sharing those thoughts, coversall. Your thoughts echo a lot of my own.
On the one hand, I'm hesitant to legalize psychedelics because I know there are capitalists who are looking to take advantage of such a situation, and I feel that, to a certain extent, the potential risks are even greater than that of legalizing cannabis was (though, I still believe legal psychedelics would probably be less dangerous than alcohol currently is).
On the other hand, I'd love to see psychedelics legalized because of my hobbies. I'm not a degenerate or a criminal. I'm not harming anyone else. I contribute to society with my work, my creativity, and my passion. I'm a very loving, compassionate person, and the idea that I could potentially spend years in a cage for privately pursuing a hobby I enjoy is a great failing of our "justice" system.
I live in an American city where cannabis is legal, so I can describe some of the effects: yes, it's a business above all else. There are aggressive ad campaigns for dispensaries, head shops, and similar businesses everywhere. However, they don't employ the strategy you're describing, where they push the medicinal benefits of weed (some do, but it's not super common). Ultimately, I think cannabis is just a product that sells itself. The marketing campaigns are more focused on who is offering the best deals. "Our dispo does 30% off when you buy an eighth on Mondays - you won't find a better deal in town" and shit like that. It's a little slimy, and there are definitely dispos out there that have the intention of crushing competition from other dispos, which sucks. It's also increased tourism quite a lot, which some people argued would be great for my state's economy. However, now that the laws have actually been in place for several years, we're starting to see that it's really just increased the cost of living here, which is pretty shitty. However, those specific issues have to do with the fact that it's only legal state-by-state while still being federally illegal, which is a whole different topic altogether. So yeah, there are some problems with legal cannabis for sure. Nevertheless, I don't think it's as bad as you're fearing.
There have been some great positives to it as well. One of my close friends has always been really into growing cannabis, not just as a cannabis user, but just as a botanist. He can now pursue his hobby in the privacy of his own home without any fear of legal consequences. He's not a drug dealer, not trying to run a business or anything like that. Just a guy doing what he loves doing and not harming anyone else in the process.
I think capitalism is largely responsible for the nasty, marketing side of legalized drugs. However, I don't think any of that's going to change without some kind of revolution. It's a much bigger issue that affects many more aspects of our lives aside from just drugs. That said, I think an effort to legalize would correct some of the injustices that we currently deal with. There are so many people sitting in cages (or dealing with the social consequences of having lived in a cage for several years), who pose no legitimate threat to themselves or others, because of drug law violations, and I think any steps we could take towards correcting that injustice would be a victory for humanity.
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