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Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here?
    #27133517 - 01/07/21 05:38 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

This is something I’ve been thinking about. By Definition, a schedule 1 substance must have no medical value, and have a high potential for abuse, however there is vast amount of legit scientific evidence showing the contrary. The reason other substances are not schedule 1 is because of scientific evidence showing that they have medical value. What’s the difference? There is also plenty of evidence showing the safety profile of psychedelics, and the zip to none addiction potential. Why can’t you just take this law to the Supreme Court and have them rescheduled? (Or better yet, unscheduled, where they should be). Why would it even require a vote? Is there not some system in place for unjust laws like this? And then you take a look at alcohol, which literally fits the description of a schedule 1 drug lol. What am I missing here? What is the hold up?


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
    #27133538 - 01/07/21 05:47 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Because like....the man......maaaaaaaaaan

:mindblown:

In all seriousness I believe research institutions  such as MAPS are trying to atleast get them off of schedule 1 and onto a different scheduling with medical usage


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #27133590 - 01/07/21 06:06 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

I know about the current movements I just don’t understand why it even requires a movement.


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
    #27133615 - 01/07/21 06:19 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Because the catholic church saw the Mayans taking the mushrooms and surmised that it was paganism in nature. So they banned it. Our culture was founded off Christianity so naturally it was just passed down


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Hawkbill]
    #27133624 - 01/07/21 06:22 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

What about LSD, DMT, and mescaline?


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind] * 2
    #27133705 - 01/07/21 06:48 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Political reasons that go back to Richard Nixon's war on drugs. Science clearly shows very little to no addiction potential and potential use in psychotherapy.

As per your questions:

Why can’t you just take this law to the Supreme Court and have them rescheduled? (Or better yet, unscheduled, where they should be).

Cannabis has been brought to the Supreme Court and they declined hearing the case ( https://www.marijuanamoment.net/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-marijuana-case-challenging-deas-restrictive-classification/ ). One would expect a similar fate for psychedelics.

Why would it even require a vote?

Because it is about changing/overriding a current law.

Is there not some system in place for unjust laws like this?

Just like any other laws it is up to the lawmakers. Unjust laws, like any other law require a process to follow in order to modify them.

And then you take a look at alcohol, which literally fits the description of a schedule 1 drug lol. What am I missing here? What is the hold up?

You are right on the money. But our politicians, lawmakers and religious leaders think otherwise and will do anything in their power to prevent change.


Edited by VP123 (01/07/21 06:52 PM)


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: VP123] * 1
    #27133782 - 01/07/21 07:07 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

I think part of the reason they were put in schedule 1 was Timothy Leary scaring the medical establishment with what he was doing and the counter culture that seemed to make government actually fear the citizenry because people were thinking for themselves

Nixon threw them in schedule 1. I think they are there because if legal, they would put pharmaceutical companies out of business. Psychedelics have tremendous healing qualities, so there is no "medicinal value" for the medical establishment to have them readily available, if the psychedelics are done correctly, most people could, and likely would, quit their daily medications if their trip went smoothly

Most pharmaceutical companies rely on people to take the meds every day--it's a steady stream of income. If psychedelics were readily available, people would only feel the need to take them occasionally and possibly, most likely, they would quit their daily meds if they were psychoactive, meant to "treat" a psychological issue. They would get their life changing experience from tripping and learn how to not need their daily "medicine"

It's Big Pharma greed, nothing more.


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: VP123]
    #27133885 - 01/07/21 07:49 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

This is literally insane. To think that someone growing mushrooms to use in their own home for treating their depression/ptsd can be locked in a cell for a year or more on a manufacturing charge. It’s almost hard to believe. At least with Oregon legalizing them for therapy it’s only a matter of time before the evidence is so overwhelming and the movement is so strong (and more widely accepted) that they have no choice but to reschedule (or legalize) them. There’s really no stopping it.


Edited by InvisibleMind (01/07/21 07:56 PM)


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
    #27134131 - 01/07/21 09:31 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Oregon also legalized personal quantities of all schedule 1 drugs (or at least a majority of them - didn't check the full list).

SO overnight the large qty of tea in my freezer became legal to possess...  :rockthefuckout:


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27134226 - 01/07/21 10:59 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on consciousness. They want people to be programmed by the media with fear and anger. It's control, but hopefully the psychedelic reform is coming


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Rise against]
    #27134264 - 01/07/21 11:33 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Bill Burr said it watch v for vendetta


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
    #27134273 - 01/07/21 11:46 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I genuinely think they destroy the illusion of separation, and we can't have that with the current social/power structure.

People naturally connecting to abundance and making shit work without centralized control is pretty much the system's biggest nightmare lol.

They want dependence and separation on all levels, not the opposite.

Just my :twocents:.


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27134348 - 01/08/21 12:58 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: VP123] * 1
    #27134391 - 01/08/21 02:03 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Political reasons that go back to Richard Nixon's war on drugs. Science clearly shows very little to no addiction potential and potential use in psychotherapy.




This.

Think of it this way: you have a massive military government fighting an unjust war in Vietnam. Then, you have a bunch of young people all across America protesting the obviously unjust war. Unfortunately for the government, it's not illegal to protest a war in the US, so they had to find some other way to dismantle the anti-war movement.

Hmm... I wonder what unifies all of these youthful protestors. Well, they all like rock n' roll music, like the stuff they played at Woodstock! No, we can't make music illegal... Well, how about their political affiliations? We could brand them all as leftists and have another red scare! No, we already know how that went down back in the fifties...

Ooh, it looks like a lot of these youthful protestors are ingesting this chemical: LSD. What is this LSD stuff? Oh, it's a chemical that was discovered in the late 30's and researched legally by American psychiatrists as a treatment for alcoholism and other mental health disorders for about 30 years? Perfect, that'll work. Let's make that illegal. Then we can start arresting the protestors. This'll break up their anti-war nonsense and let us get back to dropping napalm on the Vietnamese. USA! USA!


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27134572 - 01/08/21 06:42 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Still, I would think that we would have the power to change unjust law without a vote if evidence was provided that it was unjust. But I guess not.


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind] * 2
    #27134865 - 01/08/21 10:19 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Still, I would think that we would have the power to change unjust law without a vote if evidence was provided that it was unjust. But I guess not.



Well, you have to keep in mind that, in addition to the ban being put in place, the media launched an aggressive fear campaign to brand LSD as a dangerous narcotic that would make your kids jump out of a building or go into a catatonic state thinking they were a glass of orange juice. Those two stories in particular are so widespread they still remain in popular consciousness even fifty years later.

A lot of people are really scared of LSD and other psychedelics (or they don't even know that other psychedelics exist in the first place - many people aren't even aware of psilocybin, mescaline, or DMT, especially when compared to LSD). So, for that reason, it isn't an unjust law to them - it's just protecting our children from harm.

You gotta pretend you're trying to explain LSD to a bunch of Hank Hills. For many people, psychedelics are just "narcotics" or "drugs" and nothing more.

Education is key. We don't need to only provide the facts to our lawmakers, but we need to get the general population on board with it as well, which is a much bigger task.


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #27135090 - 01/08/21 11:53 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Before LSD:  :awedance:

After LSD:  :dontspillme:


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: InvisibleMind]
    #27135389 - 01/08/21 02:12 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Still, I would think that we would have the power to change unjust law without a vote if evidence was provided that it was unjust. But I guess not.




If a petition is given to whitehouse.gov with 100k signatures they have to address the petition

Could always mass call senators and congressmembers


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: skOsH]
    #27135460 - 01/08/21 02:53 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Change will come but its always a slow moving thing. In the mean time we shall just take our drugs as always.


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Re: Why are psychedelics schedule 1? What am i missing here? [Re: skOsH]
    #27135775 - 01/08/21 04:53 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Still, I would think that we would have the power to change unjust law without a vote if evidence was provided that it was unjust. But I guess not.




If a petition is given to whitehouse.gov with 100k signatures they have to address the petition

Could always mass call senators and congressmembers



Currently working on an essay that I want to get signed by a bunch of my community members that I will be mailing to my own congress people :smile:


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