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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #27133498 - 01/07/21 05:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Some folks have been piecing together social media posts and it looks like many in the crowd were trying to get to the Vice President

https://cyberdisobedience.substack.com/p/us-capitol-insurrection-attack


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
    #27133502 - 01/07/21 05:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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There’s a quote I posted earlier of some woman saying the cops are supposed to shoot BLM protesters, not patriots.

Not only does white privelege exist, they feel entitled to it




Lmao yeah that’s what they actually believe, they typically mask it better than this tho


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27133504 - 01/07/21 05:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Was it the same lady that said "Trump is hurting the wrong people"?


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27133515 - 01/07/21 05:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What did they intend to do with the zip ties? These people wanted to abduct members of Congress



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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
    #27133518 - 01/07/21 05:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

For sure.
They wanted to give their own court proceedings to Pence and probably torture him and then film him being beaten and shit.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 3
    #27133534 - 01/07/21 05:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That would own


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #27133543 - 01/07/21 05:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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For sure.
They wanted to give their own court proceedings to Pence and probably torture him and then film him being beaten and shit.




They might have anally violated him with his gavel. He would have totally hated that.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
    #27133553 - 01/07/21 05:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They could’ve just forced him to be in the same room with a woman who isn’t his wife, that’s torture enough for Mikey


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] * 3
    #27133558 - 01/07/21 05:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Trump is now condemning his supporters’ actions.  Guess we’ll be hearing what a rino he is. :lol:


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Mycolorado] * 2
    #27133560 - 01/07/21 05:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah he just threw them all under the bus. But they’re a bunch of cucks so they’ll take it.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27133592 - 01/07/21 06:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Good thing he called in the National Guard "immediately". It's puzzling that they did not arrive sooner though. Presumably they were very far away and had considerable travel time.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
    #27133597 - 01/07/21 06:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

DC has published a 26 page photo lineup of persons wanted in connection with the attack. It’s also a good photo spread of the action

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/POIs%20of%20Interest_1.7.21.pdf


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] * 2
    #27133608 - 01/07/21 06:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think they missed this smug fuck:



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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] * 3
    #27133611 - 01/07/21 06:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He’s been identified.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27133621 - 01/07/21 06:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Has he been arrested though? Some of the other people pictured have been identified too.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] * 2
    #27133628 - 01/07/21 06:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] * 3
    #27133629 - 01/07/21 06:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Congressional leaders were begging the state of Maryland to send their national guard to DC and the department of defense was blocking the request. Trump wanted this insurrection to succeed.



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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] * 3
    #27133656 - 01/07/21 06:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1

European allies are seriously considering this a legitimate coup attempt.

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One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.

"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.

"The supporters, many dressed in military attire and waving revolutionary-style flags, then storm the building where the federal law-enforcement agencies controlled by the current president do not establish a security cordon, and the protesters quickly overwhelm the last line of police.

"The president then makes a public statement to the supporters attacking the Capitol that he loves them but doesn't really tell them to stop," the official said. "Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle.

"I can't believe this happened."

The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.

The security of Congress is entrusted to the US Capitol Police, a federal agency that answers to Congress.

It is routine for the Capitol Police to coordinate with the federal Secret Service and the Park Police and local police in Washington, DC, before large demonstrations. The National Guard, commanded by the Department of Defense, is often on standby too.

On Wednesday, however, that coordination was late or absent.

"You cannot tell me I don't know what they should have done. I can fly to Washington tomorrow and do that job, just as any police official in Washington can fly to Paris and do mine," the official said. The official directs public security in a central Paris police district filled with government buildings and tourist sites.

"These are not subtle principles" for managing demonstrations, "and they transfer to every situation," the official said. "This is why we train alongside the US federal law enforcement to handle these very matters, and it's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored."

The National Guard, which was deployed heavily to quell the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020, did not show up to assist the police until two hours after the action started on Wednesday, according to The Associated Press.

One video appeared to show some police officers opening a barrier to allow a group of protesters to get closer to the Capitol dome. Another video showed a police officer allowing a rioter to take a selfie with him inside the Capitol while protesters milled around the building unchecked.

Kim Dine, who was the chief of the Capitol Police from 2012 to 2016, told The Washington Post that he was surprised that the Capitol Police allowed demonstrators on the steps of the Capitol. He said he was also mystified that few rioters were arrested on the spot.

Larry Schaefer, who worked for the Capitol Police for more than 30 years, told ProPublica something similar: "We have a planned, known demonstration that has a propensity for violence in the past and threats to carry weapons — why would you not prepare yourself as we have done in the past?"

The Capitol Police did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.




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Systematic failures

The French police official detailed multiple lapses they believe were systematic:

1)  Large crowds of protesters needed to be managed far earlier by the police, who instead controlled a scene at the first demonstration Trump addressed, then ignored the crowd as it streamed toward the Capitol.

2)    "It should have been surrounded, managed, and directed immediately, and that pressure never released."

3)    Because the crowd was not managed and directed, the official said, the protesters were able to congregate unimpeded around the Capitol, where the next major failure took place.

4)    "It is unthinkable there was not a strong police cordon on the outskirts of the complex. Fences and barricades are useless without strong police enforcement. This is when you start making arrests, targeting key people that appear violent, anyone who attacks an officer, anyone who breaches the barricade. You have to show that crossing the line will fail and end in arrest."

5)    "I cannot believe the failure to establish a proper cordon was a mistake. These are very skilled police officials, but they are federal, and that means they ultimately report to the president. This needs to be investigated."

6)    "When the crowd reached the steps of the building, the situation was over. The police are there to protect the building from terrorist attacks and crime, not a battalion of infantry. That had to be managed from hundreds of meters away unless the police were willing to completely open fire, and I can respect why they were not."




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The third official, who works in counterintelligence for a NATO member, agreed that the situation could only be seen as a coup attempt, no matter how poorly considered and likely to fail, and said its implications might be too huge to immediately fathom.

"Thank God it didn't work, because I can't imagine how hard it would be to sanction the US financial system," the official said. By sanctions, he means the imposition of the diplomatic, military, and trade blockages that democratic nations usually reserve for dictatorships.

"The broader damage around the world will be extensive in terms of reputation, and that's why Putin doesn't mind at all that Trump lost. He's got to be happy to take his chips and count his winnings, which from the Trump era will be a shockingly quick decline in American prestige and moral high ground.

"Every moment the Americans spend on their own self-inflicted chaos helps China, it helps Putin, and, to a lesser extent, it helps the mini-dictators like [Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan and [Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor] Orban, who breathe cynicism about politics, human rights, and democracy as their air," the official said. "They won't miss Trump; they'll be glad to see his drama leave so they can enjoy the poisoned political climate."




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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27133707 - 01/07/21 06:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I said Trump didn't nefariously collude with the Russian Government.  And people now generally agree my side was right.  :shrug:



I don't believe it, Trump said he would and didn't release the Mueller report, he don't get no slack from me with that kind of bluff.



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My guess is someone reminded him that it didn't look good for him.



We'll learn the true extent of Russian collusion with Trump over the next few months/years.

Making a judgement right now is premature.



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That's what I've been saying.



Amazing.  After all the shit you guys have given chopstick for not showing proof of election fraud, now it's your turn to make believe you were right about Trump Russia collusion even with hard evidence saying it didn't happen.

The Mueller Report clearly stated:  "Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."  It didn't say "Ultimately, the investigation DID establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities, but you don't get to read that part because it's redacted."

The more redacting they've done, the more it shows what a nothing burger this was.

I'll take a signature bet with anyone who actually believes collusion was found in the report after the above conclusion was reached.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27133723 - 01/07/21 06:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Election fraud claims haven't made it past the pleading stage in court. People went to jail based on the Mueller investigation and others are pending. In addition the report has not been released. I wonder why Trump would not release it after promising he would...


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