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OfflineStable Genius
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: chopstick]
    #27132884 - 01/07/21 12:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Iran's response to Soleimani's murder was measured.
There were no U.S. troops killed.

I don't think you're completely wrong but I don't completely agree either.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27132889 - 01/07/21 12:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think Trump could have used it as an excuse for war if he so desired.  :shrug:


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27132900 - 01/07/21 12:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I agree Falcon.

Do you think it was because Iran was measured in their response?

I'm not sure what number of deaths would've been enough, but they didn't occur, which makes it a bit hard to murder someone then justify further attacks as well.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #27132917 - 01/07/21 01:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Also, assassinating Soleimani was about as close to the line in the sand as it gets when it comes to assassinating foreign leaders.

If THAT in itself isn't an act of aggression meant to start a war I don't know what is.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #27132944 - 01/07/21 01:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The fact that Iran's response led to no deaths made attacking Iran politically infeasible.

That's why Trump tried to play up the "internal injuries" and "severe concussions" angle--to provide cover for an attack. Of course, the fact that Trump had within the last month or two tweeted that PTSD and brain damage isn't a "real injury" kinda came back to bite him in the ass.

If Trump used that as an excuse to start a war, then it would have looked like an unprovoked assassination, followed by a rational response, followed by an irrational attack. While I'm sure Trump wasn't thinking about that, the military sure as shit knew that attacking Iran not only without the backing of allies, but in an act that looks a lot like a first strike, would have ended up with the US alone fighting against Iran and Iran's sudden new friends.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Kryptos]
    #27132987 - 01/07/21 01:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

From now till he leaves office I don't believe that Trump would be allowed to initiate a military strike (unless we were attacked), regardless of what powers a President normally has.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27133375 - 01/07/21 04:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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From now till he leaves office I don't believe that Trump would be allowed to initiate a military strike (unless we were attacked), regardless of what powers a President normally has.





That's right. Officers in the military, who would be carrying out attack orders, take an oath to the Constitution as well. If they are given an order that conflicts with Constitutional action, it is their sworn duty not to carry out that order. So I think we have little to worry about on that front.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27133822 - 01/07/21 07:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

AKA an unlawful order.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27133880 - 01/07/21 07:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

IMO the only reason Trump wont be removed from office is because he's gone in two weeks. He is now the lamest of lame ducks.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27134023 - 01/07/21 08:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That about sums it up. If it was even a month left, here cometh the 25th.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27134713 - 01/08/21 08:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You know what I was just thinking. How this for an Iran deal. Iran stops all nuclear horseshit immediately and well cool it with all the sanctions crazy stuff and the kicker...well give em trump.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27134718 - 01/08/21 08:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

And also attempt to like make serious amends for past transgressions which were an absolute mistake spurred by our own fears of soviet aggression and nuclear proliferation since wwii a war that Iran kinda backed the wrong pony on.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
    #27134762 - 01/08/21 09:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Iran has already announced that they are willing to rejoin the JCPOA "within an hour" of the US upholding its end of the bargain.

Until the US rejoins the JCPOA, it would be stupid for Iran to stop enriching uranium. They saw what happened to Saddam, and they see what happens to KJU. If Iran doesn't develop nukes quickly, their days are numbered. If Iran does develop nukes, they become untouchable.


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Kryptos]
    #27134890 - 01/08/21 10:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but were gonna give em Trump and like apologize in a genuine way. Many will see it as kowtowing to some barbarous murdering autocracy but they dont understand Iraqi culture


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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Kryptos]
    #27137292 - 01/09/21 10:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Kryptos said:
Iran has already announced that they are willing to rejoin the JCPOA "within an hour" of the US upholding its end of the bargain.

Until the US rejoins the JCPOA, it would be stupid for Iran to stop enriching uranium. They saw what happened to Saddam, and they see what happens to KJU. If Iran doesn't develop nukes quickly, their days are numbered. If Iran does develop nukes, they become untouchable.




I'm thinking Israel might get involved, based on what they've done in the past, like blowing up the nuclear reactor in Iraq, and recent events where the Arab world is getting somewhat friendly with Israel, which appears to be creating a united front against Iran.


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