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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: Sirshovel]
    #27119909 - 01/01/21 08:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

stubborn negativity strikes again

you would not know a good piece of art if someone smashed it over your head and left you wearing the frame.


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: Sirshovel]
    #27120039 - 01/01/21 09:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Big bang is not BS but I already know how flawed your logic is so that's beside the point.

The point being that there is no such thing as creativity since nothing new is made and everything we "make" is just duplicating something else.




I don’t think the word “duplicate” is accurate at all.  Duplicate means to copy and form another object mirroring a pre existing object.  The artistic is literally opposite of this

In regard to Big Bang I think it’s sound.  It’s just going further and saying that that infinite point of energy and density came from nothing isn’t true.  But no actual theorists make this statement just arm chair interpreting


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: Sirshovel]
    #27120059 - 01/01/21 10:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Big bang is not BS but I already know how flawed your logic is so that's beside the point.

The point being that there is no such thing as creativity since nothing new is made and everything we "make" is just duplicating something else.




This is a poor argument, and actually is not an argument, but just an opinion. You do not want to present any arguments for your stance and are stubbornly declaring that you hold the truth of the matter, without defining creativity or anything else.

So you hold the opinion that creativity doesnt exist. Ok.


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27125066 - 01/04/21 12:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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stubborn negativity strikes again

you would not know a good piece of art if someone smashed it over your head and left you wearing the frame.




There is nothing negative about it, seeing through illusions isn't supposed to be about flowers and positivity. Seeing that art is not truly creative did ruin art for me though.

I have made my arguments for it, but the ones for creativity seem poor at best. The fact that what we make is based on something that exists already you can't exactly call it new or original. We drew a lot of inspiration from nature when it comes from designs and eventually you just get variations on a theme.


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: Sirshovel]
    #27125355 - 01/04/21 06:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I guess the only thing to say here is what did you fucking expect from art or creativity :lol:


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27125463 - 01/04/21 07:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I see a juvenile attitude without interest in the details, and I think this is from glacial thinking, which compares  layers of rock forming over millions of years with the value of all poetry and painting being no more than dust in a forgotten valley.

wrong context, but choosing to use one value system for all things is an attractive way centralize thought control and homogenize humanity and all it's aspirations into tofu and mud.


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: Sirshovel] * 1
    #27126279 - 01/04/21 02:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I find that to be the definition of creative, making something new out of something old.

For example, your dragon example. There are no known living reptiles that have wings and yet with Human creativity, we made them "real". Thats what creativity is to me, modifying something real or something that was real in the past and changing it into something fictional/semi-original.


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #27126553 - 01/04/21 04:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think the creative and novel arise as one of the deepest forces of nature, but I am not interested in trying to convince Sirshovel of it.


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #27126585 - 01/04/21 04:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Noted. Creativity lies at the Heart of Creation :mindblown:


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #27126659 - 01/04/21 05:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #27126787 - 01/04/21 06:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made?

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....but I am not interested in trying to convince Sirshovel of it.




.  Well I'm surprised by the whole thread ... its time, for someone to finally answer the question literally:
"Yes, we can call art whatever the fuck we want to !"

What a dumb question !


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27126862 - 01/04/21 06:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

True enough.


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27126885 - 01/04/21 06:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, yeah that lizard does have wings but it glides not flies like a dragon.


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27127516 - 01/05/21 04:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

never be too sure of anything


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27127766 - 01/05/21 08:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes.




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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made?

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DividedQuantum said:
....but I am not interested in trying to convince Sirshovel of it.




.  Well I'm surprised by the whole thread ... its time, for someone to finally answer the question literally:
"Yes, we can call art whatever the fuck we want to !"

What a dumb question !




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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27127948 - 01/05/21 10:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I run into this dumb question fairly often


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27129182 - 01/05/21 08:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I think the creative and novel arise as one of the deepest forces of nature, but I am not interested in trying to convince Sirshovel of it.




I'm not denying that "nature" exhibits such creativity. I am merely denying that humans hold the same capacity as I have already shown.


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: Sirshovel]
    #27129779 - 01/06/21 06:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

you are therefore a denier, no prob here. be yourself. do your own thing.


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27130313 - 01/06/21 12:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think art mostly speaks to people, or it won't. Most people relate better with the art if they connect to it emotionally. Some art just doesn't cut it if it's just duplicates, but if it is slightly different, it might depict something that sparks insight to create even more art

I don't think there is such a thing as bad art, just some people like different art,


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Re: Can we call art creative if nothing new is truly made? [Re: skOsH]
    #27132103 - 01/07/21 01:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

In my opinion there hasn't been any real art for the last like 15 to 20 years.


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