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Shroombitz
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Somehow I don't feel the rush to cook poo at home 
Cooking some saw dust actually does sound kinda appealing, but would it help or hinder cubes in a mix with oats?
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ChocolateStarfish
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I dont have any evidence. do you have evidence that they come out with similar potencies? have you done an alkaloid analysis on cubensis from coir and then from manure? I have a lot of experience and have done both many times, and many others with much more experience than me. Also cubensis grows on manure in the wild, so it is a common assumption that it prefers a manure based substrate. Though, in favor of your arguement, manure typically consists a good majority of grain. And you treat cubensis like pan cyans because they are both dung lovers that grow in the same environment and treating a cube like cyans will make sure that a noob is giving it optimal conditions. But evidently you are much smarter than I
Edit: I am being kinda bitchy here so let me fix what I was trying to say. I have grown very potent mushrooms on just grain, so if it does increase the potency, it is probably pretty minimal, but it does increase yield and even reduces chances of contamination to your substrate when properly pasteurized. There are quite a few benefits to using manure, but potency is not really a big factor in choosing manure of coir.
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ChocolateStarfish
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Manure isn't REQUIRED with cubensis like it is with panaeolus cyanescens, but it is preferred, as many of the tried and true cultivators around here will tell you. And yeah pasteurizing manure isn't the most appealing thing to do in your home, so in that regard, coir is probably preferable. Really you can do a lot without manure when working with cubensis, it is FAR from a necessity, though if you are trying to do a bulk grow, it is definitely the way to go. If you are PF teking it, then don't worry about it.
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Dr.Sparkle
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Still don’t agree if you were doing bulk then you are multiplying extra work and making even more work. Which could add up to a ton of extra work. Even if it did boost yield? It dosnt mean it is better, as the extra work might not be worth the extra yield.
I think telling a novice to treat a pan like a cube is still misleading. Yes they require similar conditions but you wouldn’t follow a cube tek for a pan grow, or a pan for a cube grow. As you said a cube has no requirement for manure.
Its up to the original poster anyway, maybe he/she/it/zig/A wants to play around and see for themselves which I would say go right ahead and see. Report back here with the findings. Because alot of what has been said is unproven for sure. But the general opinion would be stick with coir, why make life harder?
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natedawgnow
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Quote:
ChocolateStarfish said: I dont have any evidence. do you have evidence that they come out with similar potencies? have you done an alkaloid analysis on cubensis from coir and then from manure? I have a lot of experience and have done both many times, and many others with much more experience than me. Also cubensis grows on manure in the wild, so it is a common assumption that it prefers a manure based substrate. Though, in favor of your arguement, manure typically consists a good majority of grain. And you treat cubensis like pan cyans because they are both dung lovers that grow in the same environment and treating a cube like cyans will make sure that a noob is giving it optimal conditions. But evidently you are much smarter than I
Edit: I am being kinda bitchy here so let me fix what I was trying to say. I have grown very potent mushrooms on just grain, so if it does increase the potency, it is probably pretty minimal, but it does increase yield and even reduces chances of contamination to your substrate when properly pasteurized. There are quite a few benefits to using manure, but potency is not really a big factor in choosing manure of coir.
Ya I'm not the one making a claim, you are. The burden of proof is on your shoulders, since again, you are the one making a claim.
What I'm doing is called doubting your claim, which is based on 0 evidence, and going on many years of my own anecdotal experience combined with that of many other cultivators who I trust.
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Land Trout
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I’m no scientist, but I know I can grow a shit ton of cubes that will blast me and my friends and more off of grain and coir that cost $1 per pound, and no idea how much time it would take me to walk a field and collect enough grassy horse manure, that I would still have to process to make a usable sub out of. As far as your grain I’m pretty sure they all are good, I’ve used wheat, popcorn, rye, and oats. I like oats as I can get them from a feed store they are cheap and I’m familiar with them. I’m sure barly, and triticale probably spelt would work just as good. Focus on what you can get easily. Like if I had horses, sure I’d use h-poo, and if I lived in wheat country, I guess I’d use wheat.
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