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Are multiple flushes worth it?
    #27131257 - 01/06/21 06:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Let's say you're planning on running 40-50 monotubs at a time.

Do you guys think it's worth trying to get second and third flushes, or is the real estate more valuable than the return?

Would it be better to try and rip the most you can out of the first flush and toss the cake if space is limited?


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: nothanksman] * 1
    #27131278 - 01/06/21 06:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

it's worth it if you think it is.

running 50 monos I doubt they'd all be made up all at once. could very easily get second and third flushes while others are still putting out their first depending on how you stagger the spawning. Putting together 2 a day is still 25 day turn around, plenty of time for another flush after the first. A second flush will come a lot faster than a fresh tub will put out a fresh yield but it likely won't be as much.

But yes, it ultimately comes down to real estate, but it's up to you to decide what's worth it or not.

Personally, I only go for a second flushes and will sometimes get a third if I get lazy and don't need the tub yet.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: nothanksman] * 1
    #27131330 - 01/06/21 06:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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nothanksman said:
Let's say you're planning on running 40-50 monotubs at a time.

Do you guys think it's worth trying to get second and third flushes, or is the real estate more valuable than the return?




Only you can answer that. You know what your space costs, you know what your supplies cost, you know what your first/second/third flush yields are, and you know what your priorities are.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: Sir Pentinite] * 1
    #27131351 - 01/06/21 06:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

1-2 flushes give you most of whats in the sub.
But thing is why not let it finish out to the end? Sure you only get a few mushrooms ending on like 1-2 fruits.
But mushrooms are mushrooms man. More the merrier.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: nothanksman]
    #27131404 - 01/06/21 07:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

well, since it costs money to buy grains, coir, verm, etc, Id say its worth it to grow all your flushes till u use up your grains...


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: mushhead]
    #27131433 - 01/06/21 07:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It depends on what I'm running. My current toc clone only puts out 1 dry oz/qt 1st flush but almost as much the 2nd so worth it to me. My tub rotation is planned for that so I rarely have too many or too little tubs.

PE I almost never flush twice. I think I've only done it a couple times and that was when I had blob tubs.

I prefer the one and done approach so I'm clone hunting toc and rw for something better


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: mushhead]
    #27131434 - 01/06/21 07:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I personally let them go 3 flushes, first reason is timing. I like a week off,lol. 2 flushes is just too quick,lol. Second reason, I get about 2z dried on the 3rd, which gives me about 1.5 lbs, so to have some down time, and the retutn is worth it
However, I have tubs colonizing, and are ready to fruit a day after I pull spent tubs out of fruiting room, no lost fruiting space, and no wasted time waiting on tubs to colonize.

Say I run 20 tubs, I own 40 tubs. Other 20 colonizing, while 3rd flush is finishing.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: pureshrooming]
    #27131471 - 01/06/21 07:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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you know what your first/second/third flush yields are




That's the thing, I don't. I'm relatively new and working on my genetics. Of the 10 boxes I've seen through so far, my second flushes have seemed pretty underwhelming. Maybe 1-2 ounces dry, but there are usually a few good chonkers.

I haven't had a third flush yet, but I should expect them to  get smaller and smaller, correct?

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PE I almost never flush twice.




Do PE variations not have great 2nd and 3rd flushes, or do they just take too long? I know it's been taking forever trying to get PE, APE, and LPEU going from spore.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: nothanksman]
    #27131559 - 01/06/21 07:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Every PE variety I have gives just about everything it's got in the first flush. 2nd flushes are hit or miss and 3rd flushes often result in one or two slow-growing, massive fruits. By the time flush three finishes, I could have filled the tub with a new culture that would be well on it's way to fruiting.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: nothanksman]
    #27131568 - 01/06/21 08:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It’s gonna totally depend on the culture and how much spawn you use.


Most of mine id say are worth doing two flushes but I’ve had a couple PE clones in particular that put out like 90% of the total yield in the first flush. If you’re hitting 400+ wet per quart on the first flush it’s probably worth tossing if you have more ready to go. Ime 600g wet per quart is the absolute ceiling before it’s spent.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: A.k.a]
    #27131634 - 01/06/21 08:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

2nd and 3rd flushes have always put out hefty fruits for me......seems they get bigger as it goes.  Winter time is my crank up time, got two sets of shelves ready to go.  I’ll have ability 12 66qt monos without crowding.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: Jarhead3521]
    #27131678 - 01/06/21 08:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Stop flushing when you reach biological efficiency. 1000g wet fruit from 1000g wet grain. After that you're risking contamination from existing competing organisms.

If you're running 50 tubs you find genetics that pull BE at first flush and 14 days before you run 50 tubs.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: AlsetAlokin] * 1
    #27131719 - 01/06/21 09:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Let it flush until it stops producing or it contaminates.
With adequate water supplied there is lots of horsepower in grains and CVG.

If you only have space for 3 monotubs that's a different story I suppose but if you have room there's no reason to toss a producing monotub if you've got materials to have freshly spawned tubs going at the same time.
When I was juggling 50+ monotubs I'd have stacks of freshly spawned units colonizing, an area of tubs that were pinning, fruiting tubs next to that.
Once first harvest was done I'd set the tubs off to the side to produce a second flush, by the time those were ready other tubs had moved through the motions to keep the chain going.

There was never a day where I wasn't harvesting boxes full of fruits doing this. This is the goal. A production line that is manageable.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: starbones]
    #27131903 - 01/06/21 10:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I get impatient after first flush. Life is too short for multiple flushes, don't you have new runs to play with? I mean it can certainly be worth it but mush is easy to grow anyways. Slash and burn I say.

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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: Smartattack]
    #27131909 - 01/06/21 10:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If my tub is clean and I have space then it stays. I'm gonna try to push this spaces limit soon and so 50+ tuns woll be the norm. Probably gonna clear cut em with the electric knife and toss into a pile. 20 bags a week... moar!


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: Failboat]
    #27131975 - 01/06/21 11:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Depends on culture for me or intent.
If I am MS clone hunting I generally collect my clones 1st flush if looking for canopy & BE. If looking for a specific trait they might get a stay of execution.
Some of my cultures hit hard first flush & the sub is basically dusted after 1 flush. Others hit good but spread out over 2. If nothing is on deck I am more likely to let something hangout.
For my situation a 3rd is a waste of time effort & space.
I let pans go till they go green or I get sick of looking at them as you czn never have too many.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: Buddaking]
    #27132391 - 01/07/21 08:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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If I am MS clone hunting I generally collect my clones 1st flush if looking for canopy & BE. If looking for a specific trait they might get a stay of execution.





What kinds of traits are you looking for when cloning? Like, let's say I want nice, even, juicy canopies, what am I looking to clone?

When you say "MS clone hunting" do you mean starting a box from a multi-spore culture to clone the best of the bunch?
My first couple boxes were MS while I figured out agar and I noticed they had the biggest fruits I've seen,
so I was thinking about running a couple that way just to find things to clone.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: nothanksman] * 1
    #27132905 - 01/07/21 01:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah you get tons of diversity with spore grows so people will run ms to get a wide selection to pick clones from.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: A.k.a]
    #27133546 - 01/07/21 05:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Dump them outside after the second flush and collect the rest while you're walking your dog.


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Re: Are multiple flushes worth it? [Re: nothanksman]
    #27133634 - 01/07/21 06:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Buddaking said:
If I am MS clone hunting I generally collect my clones 1st flush if looking for canopy & BE. If looking for a specific trait they might get a stay of execution.





What kinds of traits are you looking for when cloning? Like, let's say I want nice, even, juicy canopies, what am I looking to clone?

When you say "MS clone hunting" do you mean starting a box from a multi-spore culture to clone the best of the bunch?
My first couple boxes were MS while I figured out agar and I noticed they had the biggest fruits I've seen,
so I was thinking about running a couple that way just to find things to clone.




If looking for a producer I look for early 1st  flush clusters with solid stems at maturity.They seem to be my most productive cultures.
Then after cloning I feed a crash test dummy the left overs to be sure they are of the potency expected. I remember I had a killer Oak Ridge I spent a lot of time working on. That guy threw huge tubs solid canopy. They were weak as crap tho & junked it after way too many tubs. Off the same candidates their was another that yeilded slightly less but was  :tripping2:
That was my keeper.


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