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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
    #27128651 - 01/05/21 04:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes.



Why?



Because of the infinitely variable circumstances within which humans can and do operate.  A robot can certainly handle a lot of things, but a human brain is uniquely  able to creatively process a problem and solve it in a way that machines will not be able to do in every possible set of circumstances.




The human brain is only unique *RIGHT NOW*.  With exponential advancement (moores law) we will eventually see AI that can mimic and surpass biological brains.  They already do in a lot of ways, and epic fail in others.  It is pretty much inevitable however that we will hit that point in technology sooner or later.  Chances are before that happens we will merge with our tech; cyborgs so to speak; and when we are at that sort of level automating any sort of troubleshooting, maintenance, manufacturing, etc will all be simple.  Construction and design tech will change over the years.  The world will eventually be built in a way to be always maintained and replaced autonomously.

Chances are we will see near full automation of production before we get to that advanced of an AI.  The need for human workers will dwindle to very small amounts and basic needs will be easily met.  Technology has always replaced jobs throughout our entire history of existence.  I'm sure at some point some some seamstress told her friend in the english workhouse "No way a machine can replace this complex work I'm doing" or the auto worker in the mid 1900's.


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27128936 - 01/05/21 06:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Transistor density eventually hits some physical limits, but specialized computational hardware for AI is still in its infancy.


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: psi]
    #27128966 - 01/05/21 06:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27129079 - 01/05/21 06:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Is our current production capacity not enough for communism today?


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #27129109 - 01/05/21 07:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That's the glaring flaw of communism. It is even more ultramaterialistic than capitalism.


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
    #27129370 - 01/05/21 09:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Because something is "good" doesn't make it a "good."  Plumbing services aren't a good.  Pipe is.  Epoxy is.  Manufacturing pipe and epoxy are certainly things that automation can handle.  Being a plumber, on the other hand, is a whole other thing.




What kind of thing is it?

If I want a raclette, is it a service or a good?

Manufacturing pipes and epoxy are both automated already. What is to change in the future?


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27129575 - 01/06/21 01:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Are you serious?

Communist Party of Australia



Totally serious.

The CPA was dissolved in 1991...................


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mycot]
    #27129578 - 01/06/21 01:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Communism seems like such a loaded stance and term. Do you differentiate it from socialism ?



Just watch the video:


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27129579 - 01/06/21 01:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You only need to look as far as all the failed hippy communes and wook communities out there to see how drugs don't suddenly fix human nature.



I reckon that's entirely due to drug prohibition. If drugs were legal (I think all plants and fungi should be unrestricted and synthetic and semi-synthetic drugs being available through prescription) then peoples' set and setting would a lot better and so people will ultimately be a lot better.


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27129589 - 01/06/21 01:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Communist here.

I think psychedelics can give people a better sense of community and empathy but they’re way down on the list of things that would make a communist/socialist society a reality.



:highfive:

I'm interested in your ideas..... Feel free to share......

Tomorrow I'll be buying from eBay Communism: A Love Story to learn as much as I can.

Mainly I wanted to see if people were willing to form a party or something similar. Why not? There are groups on Facebook which I have joined. Others may be interested in joining them too.

I'll continue reading posts and making replies over the coming days..... Keep em coming......


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
    #27129591 - 01/06/21 01:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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We will eventually see a mix of communism, socialism, and capitalism.



I can imagine this being the case.....


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
    #27129672 - 01/06/21 04:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ok sorry, my mistake.
I thought that the Communist Party of Australia was what the organisation morphed into.
Not being a smart arse but can you tell me a bit more why the CPA isn't the Communist Party of Australia? I did read that it changed from the Socialist Party?


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
    #27131318 - 01/06/21 06:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not really that smart but it will never work as planed. Communism might work for a minute but people will eventually abuse the power and you will be living under a dictator(sorry). The kids love the idea but most with a brain will outgrow that phase, usually when the get their first decent salary. 

The stand ford prison experiment showed us human nature
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

and i never understand these people always bitching about their bosses and landlords but never mention anything higher up the chain like the owners of the "Federal Reserve"?



late stage capitalism sucks too because the most successful people have monopolies on entire markets, but the ride there was heaven and aslong as you have monopoly rules you're good.

working all day for just enough to survive like a jew in a concentration camp sucks. please look at the CCP and really dig deep and see how they live today on earth


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Kyngwhatt]
    #27131485 - 01/06/21 07:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a socialist but not a communist. There are actually huge differences.I like the idea of people working for a company getting paid more fairly. I like the whole socialized medicine thing. If certain people are unable to work like due to physical or mental disabilities then they should be entitled to a universal basic income. Not everyone on the planet needs to work and if you don't like it like that then stop having babies.


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
    #27131509 - 01/06/21 07:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Communist here.

I think psychedelics can give people a better sense of community and empathy but they’re way down on the list of things that would make a communist/socialist society a reality.



:highfive:

I'm interested in your ideas..... Feel free to share......

Tomorrow I'll be buying from eBay Communism: A Love Story to learn as much as I can.

Mainly I wanted to see if people were willing to form a party or something similar. Why not? There are groups on Facebook which I have joined. Others may be interested in joining them too.

I'll continue reading posts and making replies over the coming days..... Keep em coming......




Sounds good brother. PM me if you need some reading suggestions. :love:


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27131538 - 01/06/21 07:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Communism seems more authoritarian whereas socialism seems more by the people for the people.


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #27131693 - 01/06/21 08:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Communism seems more authoritarian whereas socialism seems more by the people for the people.



not really true, in actuality there's a fair bit of diversity in communism, we just tend to think of soviet Russia under Stalin when we hear 'communist'. Personally I'm also not a fan of authoritarianism whether it claims to be communism or anything else, but I think you can separate the two ideas and talk about them distinctly


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27131843 - 01/06/21 10:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't want anyone to choose what job I do either unless it is based on my interests and skill levels.


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #27131945 - 01/06/21 10:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I wouldn't want anyone to choose what job I do either unless it is based on my interests and still levels.



I also wouldn't want a system where people have no say over what labor they do, frankly I think its ironic to have a form of communism like that


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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
    #27132007 - 01/07/21 12:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Enlil said:
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psi said:
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Enlil said:
Yes.



Why?



Because of the infinitely variable circumstances within which humans can and do operate.  A robot can certainly handle a lot of things, but a human brain is uniquely  able to creatively process a problem and solve it in a way that machines will not be able to do in every possible set of circumstances.




Thank you for not conflating politics and economic and logistical realities; this gets more and more rare as time passes IMHO.


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