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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
    #27132965 - 01/07/21 01:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon has been making excuses for people who behave like Donald trump for years. He knew what he was voting for. He’s not stupid. He likes dictators.



I'm koods, and I like to make believe things about other people to make myself look better!




Do you not understand that is exactly how most of us here think about you? You make excuses for Putin. You make excuses for Maduro. You make excuses for MBS. You make excuses for Assad.



I don't make excuses for them, I simply point out lies about them.  And then you cry something like "Waaah, fal won't let me make believe about dictators, he must love them", and Enlil says something like "it's ok to lie about them".


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27132972 - 01/07/21 01:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: skOsH]
    #27132976 - 01/07/21 01:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I mean, I personally don't believe it really matters who the president is. Mostly just a PR person for a country whilst signing random bills they're given.

So i don't vote

I thought the protests were funny



I thought that it was funny seeing the cops running like scared bitches. Sometimes I think that maybe this was staged.

The president is just a puppet for the real people who are in power. You don't actually vote for the president.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27132978 - 01/07/21 01:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Does that bring back the 4 people killed by his actions?  Why don't you hold the man responsible for what he did?

You think it's reasonable to use violence if you get cheated?



If election fraud could be proven, yes.  It wasn't yet proven, so I disagree with the protests.



So violence is the proper way to address his grievances... got it.



Can someone please explain how I said violence is the proper way to address Trump's grievances?  Or is this another round of "Let's make believe something about Falcon91Wolvrn03!  If the mod does it, then it's ok for everyone!"


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27132984 - 01/07/21 01:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone see the theory that Trump ordered loyalists higher up in the capitol police to stand down?

Kinda explains the lack of preparation, and the videos of police literally letting protesters through the barricades. Think about it: a complete abdication of leadership, which leaves individual rank and file cops to decide the course of action. As a result, the ones that sympathize with the rioters end up falling back, screwing over the cops trying to do their actual jobs.

It's a coup attempt with plausible deniability.

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27132986 - 01/07/21 01:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, I already said I should have voted Green, but that it didn't really matter because I live in California, which easily went to Biden.



Acknowledging you made a bad choice doesn't absolve you of the consequences.



Dude, Trump didn't win California.  :facepalm3:

:justno:


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27132991 - 01/07/21 01:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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"You think it's reasonable to use violence if you get cheated?"

You
"If election fraud could be proven, yes.  It wasn't yet proven, so I disagree with the protests."

You've lost any ability to critically review....even your own writing.:elmo:


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27132992 - 01/07/21 01:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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This is trumps legacy. This is what FW and other trumpers voted for.



:lolwut:

Did voting for Trump mean I think people should storm the capitol?  Did Trump even ask people to storm the capitol?  I've listen to him tell his supporters to go home "You have to go home now, we have to have peace, we have to have law and order, we have to respect our great people in law and order.  We don't want anyone hurt" 

When Biden takes office should I say "this is what Enlil voted for"?  Because I know there's going to be a lot of opportunities for that.  :shrug:




Trump actually did encourage his people indirectly (as usual) to head to the Capital.

His speech yesterday, skip to 15:34 "We're gonna walk down to the Capital and I'll be there with you!":


Extremists take Trump's language as not "walk" but MARCH to the Capital. Thats how extremists think, everything is taken to the MAXIMUM.

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos]
    #27132998 - 01/07/21 01:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think the Capitol police force was big enough to handle it on their own even if the intent was there. The National Guard needed to be there before the riot started. It's been reported that it was Pence, rather than Trump, who finally called them in.

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
    #27133005 - 01/07/21 01:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think the Capitol police force was big enough to handle it on their own even if the intent was there. The National Guard needed to be there before the riot started. It's been reported that it was Pence, rather than Trump, who finally called them in.




Which again support the coup through abdication of leadership angle.

National guard was on BLM protesters within minutes, and there was a line of armed troops by the time BLM got to the capitol.

This, on the other hand, looks like an intentionally slow response, with the hopes that MAGA rioters manage to complete the coup before the cops can organize on a local level, or anyone else steps in to fill the leadership vacuum.

I'm sure Pence also waited to see which way the wind was blowing before calling the national guard, using the excuse that it as Trump's job.

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: pineninja]
    #27133006 - 01/07/21 01:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Enlil
"You think it's reasonable to use violence if you get cheated?"

You
"If election fraud could be proven, yes.  It wasn't yet proven, so I disagree with the protests."

You've lost any ability to critically review....even your own writing.:elmo:



First, pineninja made it very clear I said violence would be ok if fraud was proven (which I said it wasn't).

Then he and Enlil seem to think I agree that "violence is the proper way to address his grievances".

No, I DON'T think it is, UNLESS it is proven that Trump was cheated against, which it wasn't.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos]
    #27133013 - 01/07/21 01:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think the Capitol police force was big enough to handle it on their own even if the intent was there. The National Guard needed to be there before the riot started. It's been reported that it was Pence, rather than Trump, who finally called them in.




Which again support the coup through abdication of leadership angle.

National guard was on BLM protesters within minutes, and there was a line of armed troops by the time BLM got to the capitol.

This, on the other hand, looks like an intentionally slow response, with the hopes that MAGA rioters manage to complete the coup before the cops can organize on a local level, or anyone else steps in to fill the leadership vacuum.

I'm sure Pence also waited to see which way the wind was blowing before calling the national guard, using the excuse that it as Trump's job.




Yeah IMO there is no way this massive failure to secure the building was unintentional.

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27133014 - 01/07/21 01:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Does that bring back the 4 people killed by his actions?  Why don't you hold the man responsible for what he did?

You think it's reasonable to use violence if you get cheated?



If election fraud could be proven, yes.  It wasn't yet proven, so I disagree with the protests.



So violence is the proper way to address his grievances... got it.



Can someone please explain how I said violence is the proper way to address Trump's grievances?  Or is this another round of "Let's make believe something about Falcon91Wolvrn03!  If the mod does it, then it's ok for everyone!"



It's all in the above quotes, dude.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27133021 - 01/07/21 01:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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"You think it's reasonable to use violence if you get cheated?"

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"If election fraud could be proven, yes.  It wasn't yet proven, so I disagree with the protests."

You've lost any ability to critically review....even your own writing.:elmo:



First, pineninja made it very clear I said violence would be ok if fraud was proven (which I said it wasn't).

Then he and Enlil seem to think I agree that "violence is the proper way to address his grievances".

No, I DON'T think it is, UNLESS it is proven that Trump was cheated against, which it wasn't.



So if it was proven, yesterday's violence is appropriate? That's your position?


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27133024 - 01/07/21 01:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Let me clarify for you this time, because this time you missed something.

I said violence is ok if Trump was proven to have been cheated against.  I also said it wasn't proven.

Then you said "So violence is the proper way to address his grievances... got it."  And to that question the answer is NO.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27133025 - 01/07/21 01:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude, Trump didn't win California.  :facepalm3:

:justno:



So? Whether he won or not, Trump appealed to you. You lived through 4 year of a Trump presidency and afterwards still thought to yourself 'this person is the best candidate to get what I want'.

At best, you are willing to enable fascists if you think it'll get you those "economic things" you want. That's a mark on your character that doesn't require a second Trump term.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #27133026 - 01/07/21 01:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So you believe that violence is an appropriate response to proven cheating...


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27133027 - 01/07/21 01:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So if it was proven, yesterday's violence is appropriate? That's your position?



Correct.  If it was proven Biden didn't win, and we moved forward with Biden anyway, I think a little violence would be appropriate.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27133029 - 01/07/21 01:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It seems that Falcon doesn't consider "proof of voting fraud" to be a "grievance".

Or he's paying Schrodinger's asshole.

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27133033 - 01/07/21 01:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, I already said I should have voted Green, but that it didn't really matter because I live in California, which easily went to Biden.



Acknowledging you made a bad choice doesn't absolve you of the consequences.



Dude, Trump didn't win California.  :facepalm3:

:justno:




The consequence is most people not taking you seriously now. As someone whose ideas and opinions are regularly dismissed around here I can’t imagine the logic of shooting myself in the foot by announcing to everyone that I voted for trump.


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