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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick]
#27147732 - 01/14/21 01:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He's a scumbag. We had a whole thread about it. Try to keep up.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: SirTripAlot]
#27147735 - 01/14/21 01:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: My dad lives in Mt. Hoerb and all the surrounding places look like the people are born and raised on orange hunting hats and PBR.
That place is awesome lol. Grumpy troll makes some pretty good beer for a brewpub.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#27147746 - 01/14/21 01:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Probably only 25 percent of those Trump voters should be deported, probably. The remainder are just useful idiots for the more nefarious dickhead nazis behind the scenes
Deported to where, international waters?
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] 1
#27147765 - 01/14/21 01:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not a bad idea. Ever seen "The Man Without a Country"?
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: ballsalsa]
#27147780 - 01/14/21 01:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shit like this is exactly why the left is now openly talking about re-education camps for Trump supporters. You guys are so high on your delusional sense of superiority over others that you might actually support it.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: ballsalsa]
#27147782 - 01/14/21 01:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The title seems familiar but I didn't know that's what it was about.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick]
#27147788 - 01/14/21 01:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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chopstick said: Shit like this is exactly why the left is now openly talking about re-education camps for Trump supporters. You guys are so high on your delusional sense of superiority over others that you might actually support it.
You said this before. It was untrue then. It's untrue now. Why do you cling so tightly to lies when the truth is right before you?
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] 1
#27147797 - 01/14/21 01:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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chopstick said: Shit like this is exactly why the left is now openly talking about re-education camps for Trump supporters. You guys are so high on your delusional sense of superiority over others that you might actually support it.
You said this before. It was untrue then. It's untrue now. Why do you cling so tightly to lies when the truth is right before you?
There are plenty of people on the radical left talking about these types of things. And here you guys are referring to an entire segment of the population as a "cancer" that needs to be cleansed.
It is not a stretch whatsoever that the more this type of rhetoric, beliefs & dogma spreads, the more radical it will get, eventually to the point where these things will manifest into reality.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
#27147798 - 01/14/21 01:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's kind of futile anyway to try to re-educate adults who celebrate ignorance and resent the educated. The focus should be more on funding education better for younger people who aren't yet set in their ways. I think they should introduce formal logic in grade school.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
#27147824 - 01/14/21 01:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, this is definitely one of those "progress is made one funeral at a time" moments.
It's like the Q train greentext I posted a while back. A good amount of MAGAs will get off before the last stop. The ones that haven't poured their entire identity into it. But there will always remain a small core of die-hard MAGAs that will never come back to reality. For those people, there's nothing left to do but wait.
Ideally, with better education and critical thinking skills taught in schools, the ideology won't get passed on.
It's wishful thinking, I know.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] 1
#27147826 - 01/14/21 01:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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chopstick said: Honestly feel bad for Rittenhouse, he's being labeled a white supremacist by retards on the internet who don't even know him.
Nice ableist slur, there, chopstick. Your use of the word "r*tard" really goes a long way in convincing us all that you're not an asshole.
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Rittenhouse was just caught taking pictures in a bar throwing up a white power symbol
Seems pretty straightforward
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27147860 - 01/14/21 02:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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In any case, prosecutors are now trying to have his bail revoked based on those photos and info. Ultimately, a judge will decide. It is indeed something that can result in a wrist slap for first time offenders... but the multiple murder charges might tip the scales.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So what did Trump do for white supremacy that you'd give up Medicare for All to undo? That you'd fight foreign wars to undo?
The main thing Trump did for white supremacy was the normalization of white supremacist ideas and values, which is an injustice on a social level above that of public policy. This is including, but not limited to:
- Consistent marginalization of immigrants (particularly from Mexico)
- Consistent marginalization of Muslims
- Consistent marginalization of poorer nations (referring to them as "Shithole countries")
- Consistently accepted donations and support from known white supremacists
- Consistently refused to specifically condemn white supremacists (one notable example was the white supremacist terrorist who murdered a woman by driving a van through a crowd of people at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. In response, Trump said there were "good and bad people on both sides")
- Consistently criticized and slandered the BLM movement, which is specifically dedicated to combating white supremacy
- The open mocking of disabled people
These behaviors and beliefs are not normal. They are bigoted and hateful. These are things that white supremacists do.
In the present, these ideas are mostly just ideas. Every once in a while, you get a violent outburst, like that guy in Charlottesville, but for the most part, they are just ideas. Furthermore, they are ideas that are mostly on the fringes of society. The vast majority of people are not white supremacists. However, history tells us that, if these ideas break out of the margins of society and into the mainstream, if they become normal, if they go unchallenged, then they will step out of the abstract realm of ideas and into the concrete reality of violence. The last time in history that white supremacist ideas and values went unchallenged for a long time, six million Jews were killed.
The fact that Trump was our president for four years is a victory for white supremacists because it pushed white supremacist values further away from the margins of society and closer to the mainstream. It is now much more normal to believe that immigrants are rapists and criminals - after all, our president said they were. It is now much more normal to believe that Muslims are violent terrorists - after all, our president said they were. It is now much more normal to believe that poorer countries are "shitholes" - after all, our president said they were. It is now much more normal to believe that white supremacists and anti-fascists are two opposite, yet equal extremes - after all, our president said they were.
If we continue trending towards this direction, it won't be long before white supremacy becomes completely normalized, which sounds like a nightmare. I believe everyone should have access to healthcare, and I fucking hate war more than you can even imagine, but I would gladly continue fighting our current wars and continue struggling to provide healthcare to everyone if it means we can avoid making that nightmare a reality.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] 3
#27147877 - 01/14/21 02:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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chopstick said: Shit like this is exactly why the left is now openly talking about re-education camps for Trump supporters. You guys are so high on your delusional sense of superiority over others that you might actually support it.
You said this before. It was untrue then. It's untrue now. Why do you cling so tightly to lies when the truth is right before you?
There are plenty of people on the radical left talking about these types of things. And here you guys are referring to an entire segment of the population as a "cancer" that needs to be cleansed.
It is not a stretch whatsoever that the more this type of rhetoric, beliefs & dogma spreads, the more radical it will get, eventually to the point where these things will manifest into reality.
What I find so fascinating about chopstick is his ability to very accurately describe the reality of the situation that currently is his life, but he thinks it’s the other side living it
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
#27147885 - 01/14/21 02:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah it's like he recognizes on some level that there is truth to those arguments, so they need to be rolled up into his worldview as well to take away their power. Down to thinking the other side are "fascists".
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
#27147894 - 01/14/21 02:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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People largely assume that they are average.
This is why people living just above poverty and people making 200k a year both think they're "middle class".
This is also why people assume that everyone else thinks like them. This is the basis of the concept of "projection", and also why riling up a group and making them angry is a good way to generate discord. The people that you have riled up will think everyone else is riled up as well, and if they don't seem riled up, they're either hiding it or brainwashed.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#27147938 - 01/14/21 02:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Rittenhouse was just caught taking pictures in a bar throwing up a white power symbol
Seems pretty straightforward
Teenagers do dumb shit all the time. Personally I doubt he even knows what it means.
This "white supremacist" nonsense is being massively overblown by the media and their puppets to make it seem like all Trump supporters are a bunch of racist white supremacist fascist Nazis. It's utter garbage, and not even remotely the truth. And it would help a lot if smart people such as yourself stopped buying into it and lending strength to it.
Now it is true that some fringe far-right groups attach themselves to Trump. However, they are a tiny minority of Trump's base.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick]
#27147945 - 01/14/21 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Even if they are a tiny minority, Rittenhouse is one of them and you're supporting Rittenhouse....
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] 1
#27147955 - 01/14/21 02:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rittenhouse is a dumb teenager who probably has no fucking idea about anything. How smart were you when you were 18?
Find one of Rittenhouse's friends and have them testify that Rittenhouse holds white supremacist viewpoints and then I would believe you.
But all I see is a dumb teenager who hasn't figured out life yet and made a stupid mistake by trying to protect other people's property with an AR-15 because he was ideologically motivated to stand up for "Law and Order." He wasn't yet old enough to realize that the Law was more likely to fuck him over.
Being pro-Law & Order doesn't mean you're a white supremacist. And yeah, maybe he made some stupid hand signal when he was at the bar drinking with his friends one day. But does that really mean anything? The situation could have been literally anything - maybe someone showed it to him and they thought it would be funny.
Most teenagers aren't old enough to hold well-defined ideological dogmas like that. The more likely explanation is they were horsing around, like teenagers do, and now it's being taken seriously by a bunch of paranoid strangers on the internet.
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