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I'm telling you both, right now, be more clever in your phrasing. Pretend you're in congress or something. The next one of you I see address the other directly in a way the might be seen as insulting is taking a break and they can file a support ticket and let asante sort it if they want.
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They all carry water for white supremacy and fascism, regardless
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#27146969 - 01/14/21 01:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MAGA is about the grievances of white people. It’s about white entitlement. It’s about white people losing the special status of being the majority. That’s white supremacy.
“Why are they shooting us. They’re supposed to shoot BLM protesters, not patriots.” - trump rioter
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] 1
#27146979 - 01/14/21 02:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: MAGA is about the grievances of white people. It’s about white entitlement. It’s about white people losing the special status of being the majority. That’s white supremacy.
“Why are they shooting us. They’re supposed to shoot BLM protesters, not patriots.” - trump rioter
Whys everything about race to you? Why do you claim to be agianst racism and then proceed make everything about race? Maybe that's the problem with you people
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 2
#27146982 - 01/14/21 02:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: The guy thinks trump and all his supporters are racist white supremacists yet millions of non whites voted for him. How do figure non whites are white supremacists?
This is such binary thinking. If you really think that a white supremacist movement needs to be composed of entirely white people in order to effectively achieve their goals, then you're definitely mistaken. Allow me to explain:
The thing about white supremacist movements is that they always disguise themselves as something else. This is a smart move, because it's generally accepted at this point that white supremacy is wrong. If you go on your personal Facebook page, for example, and say "Hey, everyone, I'm a white supremacist," you will probably get fired from your job. That's why white supremacists have to disguise themselves as something else if they want to achieve their goals (their goals being the oppression of non-white people). Some white supremacists will call themselves race-realists, or traditionalists. If you get abstract enough, it doesn't even sound like you're talking about race anymore.
When a white supremacist calls himself a "traditionalist," a naive person will think "oh, he's just really fond of traditional American values." There's nothing inherent about the word "traditionalist" that suggests it has to do anything with race. However, another white supremacist will hear the word "traditionalist" and think "fuck yeah. This guy wants to go back to segregation days. Amen, brother."
You see, white supremacy doesn't look like white supremacy on the surface. You have to look a little deeper to see what's really going on, and that's precisely how non-white people can be duped into supporting a white supremacist movement.
For example, the Proud Boys are a white supremacist organization, but they don't announce to the world that they're white supremacists. That would be very stupid. Instead, they opt for coded language. They'll say things like "we just care about western values." There's nothing about the term "western values" that inherently implies anything about race. However, to a lot of people, "western values" means oppressing anyone who isn't white in America, and the other Proud Boys who feel that way are going to be able to read between the lines when such comments are made.
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MagicMush123 said: The guy thinks trump and all his supporters are racist white supremacists yet millions of non whites voted for him. How do figure non whites are white supremacists?
This is such binary thinking. If you really think that a white supremacist movement needs to be composed of entirely white people in order to effectively achieve their goals, then you're definitely mistaken. Allow me to explain:
The thing about white supremacist movements is that they always disguise themselves as something else. This is a smart move, because it's generally accepted at this point that white supremacy is wrong. If you go on your personal Facebook page, for example, and say "Hey, everyone, I'm a white supremacist," you will probably get fired from your job. That's why white supremacists have to disguise themselves as something else if they want to achieve their goals (their goals being the oppression of non-white people). Some white supremacists will call themselves race-realists, or traditionalists. If you get abstract enough, it doesn't even sound like you're talking about race anymore.
When a white supremacist calls himself a "traditionalist," a naive person will think "oh, he's just really fond of traditional American values." There's nothing inherent about the word "traditionalist" that suggests it has to do anything with race. However, another white supremacist will hear the word "traditionalist" and think "fuck yeah. This guy wants to go back to segregation days. Amen, brother."
You see, white supremacy doesn't look like white supremacy on the surface. You have to look a little deeper to see what's really going on, and that's precisely how non-white people can be duped into supporting a white supremacist movement.
For example, the Proud Boys are a white supremacist organization, but they don't announce to the world that they're white supremacists. That would be very stupid. Instead, they opt for coded language. They'll say things like "we just care about western values." There's nothing about the term "western values" that inherently implies anything about race. However, to a lot of people, "western values" means oppressing anyone who isn't white in America, and the other Proud Boys who feel that way are going to be able to read between the lines when such comments are made.
Lol so non whites are tricked by white supremacists to hate themselves and promote white supremacy... do you realize how stupid that sounds? I think you're up to your ears in leftist propaganda and you yourself has been tricked into seeing white supremacist and racist ghosts everywhere. The leader of the proud is black for fuck sakes. But let me guess he was tricked by white supremacists
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123]
#27146987 - 01/14/21 02:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: MAGA is about the grievances of white people. It’s about white entitlement. It’s about white people losing the special status of being the majority. That’s white supremacy.
“Why are they shooting us. They’re supposed to shoot BLM protesters, not patriots.” - trump rioter
Whys everything about race to you? Why do you claim to be agianst racism and then proceed make everything about race? Maybe that's the problem with you people
It’s hard not to talk about race when discussing white supremacy
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
#27146989 - 01/14/21 02:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Speaking of white supremacy. Kyle Rittenhouse thinks it’s “OK”
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123]
#27146994 - 01/14/21 02:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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(((You people)))?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: But a lot of Trump supporters aren't white supremacists.
That's an extremely weak argument, Falcon.
Let's say there are three people. The first two are outwardly-spoken Nazis. They are not subtle about it at all. It is quite obvious that they are Nazis. The third one claims that, while he himself is not a Nazi, he supports the same political candidates that these two Nazis support. In other words, he's not a Nazi, but he's willing to work with Nazis if it means securing power for a leader that Nazis overwhelmingly want in power.
A layman might look at this situation and see two Nazis and one Nazi-sympathizer. A historian would see three Nazis.
To take it out of the abstract and back to the concrete: yes, most of Trump's supporters claim to not be white supremacists. However, a significant number of them are white supremacists. There are significantly more white supremacist Trump supporters than there are for any other major politician in America. White supremacists have a very simple goal: by definition, they wish to oppress anyone who isn't white. The best way to oppress people is through the abuse of political power. Therefore, white supremacists want to secure power for the individual who is most likely to oppress non-white people. That individual, right now, is obviously Trump.
All of the people who claim to not be white supremacists, but who still support Trump are inherently willing to help white supremacists achieve their goals. The most charitable way to look at the situation is that the average Trump voter recognizes that a Trump presidency makes white supremacists very happy, but that this is somehow the lesser of two evils when compared to alternatives. Is that really such a noble position to be in? I don't think so. I think white supremacy is one of the greatest evils this world has ever seen. White supremacy led to the largest genocide in human history. White supremacy led to the attempted extermination of an entire culture. The idea that white supremacy is the lesser of two evils is absurd to me.
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No, you don't, but I'd rather have another war than a white supremacist for president.
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No, you don't, but I'd rather sacrifice Medicare for All than have a white supremacist for president.
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I don't think that all Trump supporters are equally evil.
In Nazi Germany, not everyone was an SS officer. Not everyone was violently killing Jews at the concentration camps. Millions of them were just citizens who had never touched a weapon in their lives, who were willing to support the SS if it meant securing power for Hitler.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#27147005 - 01/14/21 02:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Lol so non whites are tricked by white supremacists to hate themselves and promote white supremacy...
Yes, that is precisely what I'm saying (note the strikethrough - the goal isn't for white supremacists to convince people of color to "hate themselves," the goal is to secure power for a white supremacist politician).
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MagicMush123 said: do you realize how stupid that sounds?
No, I actually don't. I think it's a pretty accurate description of what's going on in our world right now. Would you explain to me why it's stupid, or are you just going to say "it's stupid" without making a case for that claim?
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MagicMush123 said: I think you're up to you're ears in leftist propaganda and you yourself has been tricked into seeing white supremacist and racist ghosts everywhere.
I am not immune to propaganda (no one truly is), and I am a "lefty," so fair points there. However, the accusation that I see white supremacist ghosts everywhere simply isn't true. All things considered, there aren't that many white supremacists in this world. They make up a pretty small percentage of the world. However, in spite of being outnumbered, they managed to get their favorite candidate elected as President, which helped them achieve their goals of oppressing anyone who isn't white.
So, no, white supremacists aren't everywhere. They're few and far between, but my point is that they are gaining political power despite being outnumbered.
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MagicMush123 said: The leader of the proud is black for fuck sakes. But let me guess he was tricked by white supremacists 
Yeah, he was (past tense - last I heard, he wound up in prison). I'm sure that all the white supremacists who are a part of the proud boys are super excited about the fact that their leader was black. Remember what I said in my last comment to you: white supremacists don't announce to the world that they're white supremacists. They try to disguise it. What better disguise than to have a black leader? That's so smart. The Proud Boys aren't idiots, and I don't think their leader is, either. If things ever progress to the point where white supremacists are murdering people in the streets (oh wait, I almost forgot about Kyle Rittenhouse), maybe they'll spare his life as payment for his service to the Proud Boys.
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The proud boys call themselves “western chauvinists.” Sounds like a euphemism for white supremacy to me, maybe not white people but white culture.
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See you just go down this white supremacy rabbit hole and sound hysterical in the process. Enrique Iglesias himself says that he and the proud boys aren't white supremacists. You say hes smart but at the same time think he's been duped by white supremacists to lead a white supremacy group do even listen to yourself?
I also see kyle wittebhouse is now a white supremacist too, what evidence do you have besides him being a supporter of trump and law enforcement? Are you also forgetting that a proud boy was executed in the streets by blm or antifa supporters? Apparently its a 2 way street but you disavow everything your side does. If the proud boys are so dangerous why don't make a list of all the people they murdered. Oh wait you can't
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
#27147025 - 01/14/21 03:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: The proud boys call themselves “western chauvinists.” Sounds like a euphemism for white supremacy to me, maybe not white people but white culture.
Sounds like they like the west because the west offers the highest standard of living with the most freedoms. That's why everyone moves west and not east. Why does everything have to be about race? Im pretty sure that you love the west too
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#27147069 - 01/14/21 04:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your “but white people culture is the best in the world” argument isn’t helping to convince anyone
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#27147070 - 01/14/21 04:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: See you just go down this white supremacy rabbit hole and sound hysterical in the process.
Calling me hysterical isn't an argument, MagicMush.
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MagicMush123 said: Enrique Iglesias himself says that he and the proud boys aren't white supremacists.
People say false things all the time.
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MagicMush123 said: You say hes smart but at the same time think he's been duped by white supremacists to lead a white supremacy group do even listen to yourself?
Either duped, or he just recognizes that the relationship between him and all of the white supremacists he collaborates with is mutually beneficial.
It's also worth noting that smart people get duped all the time. Being tricked or misled by someone isn't necessarily indicative of a lack of intelligence. Smart people get misled or lied to all the time.
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MagicMush123 said: I also see kyle wittebhouse is now a white supremacist too, what evidence do you have besides him being a supporter of trump and law enforcement?
How about the picture koods shared a few comments ago, where Rittenhouse is clearly presenting a known white supremacist hand signal?
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MagicMush123 said: Are you also forgetting that a proud boy was executed in the streets by blm or antifa supporters? Apparently its a 2 way street but you disavow everything your side does.
I love how you just assume that I automatically support Antifa just because I oppose white supremacy. Actually, I'm highly critical of Antifa. I certainly stand behind their anarchist political philosophy, but I hate that they sometimes use violence to achieve their goals. I think that violence is the main thing that holds Antifa back from making any meaningful social change, because it allows people like you to point your finger back at us and say "you too," and the actual Antifascist principles that were being fought for in the first place just become dust in the wind.
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MagicMush123 said: If the proud boys are so dangerous why don't make a list of all the people they murdered. Oh wait you can't 
How about the police officer they (or one of their allies) murdered with a fire extinguisher at the state capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021?
Either way, you're missing the point: The proud boys are dangerous because of their ideas, not because of any specific acts of violence. If history has taught us anything, it is that white supremacy will inevitably lead to violence if it is unchallenged.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: ballsalsa] 1
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ballsalsa said: It's also important so the Trumpkins continue to expose themselves. There is a deep rot at the core of this country and the first step to removing a cancerous growth is identifying it

Your rhetoric is dangerous.
You are essential calling 75 million Americans, cancerous growth that needs removed.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: HamHead]
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The Greenland deal is off, then?
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ballsalsa said: It's also important so the Trumpkins continue to expose themselves. There is a deep rot at the core of this country and the first step to removing a cancerous growth is identifying it

Your rhetoric is dangerous.
You are essential calling 75 million Americans, cancerous growth that needs removed.
You think it was dangerous that people removed the nazis which were a significant proportion of germany's population
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ballsalsa said: It's also important so the Trumpkins continue to expose themselves. There is a deep rot at the core of this country and the first step to removing a cancerous growth is identifying it

Your rhetoric is dangerous.
You are essential calling 75 million Americans, cancerous growth that needs removed.
The people can stay. Their ideology must be crushed
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