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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #27146621 - 01/13/21 08:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



Alan Dershowitz says you can't impeach a private citizen and that the earliest the Senate can go to trial is Jan 20th at 1pm.

:shrug:

How many people have stood where Trump did and said to march to the Capitol? I hear it's been a lot of people.

What happened was nothing new, people have marched on that Capitol many times. It may have been the first to have been breached, I haven't looked into that history.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #27146623 - 01/13/21 09:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

People usually beat capital police officers with American flags and flags with the name of the guy who they voted  for on it . Happens all the time .


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: HamHead]
    #27146626 - 01/13/21 09:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Trump was already impeached.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27146663 - 01/13/21 09:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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People usually beat capital police officers with American flags and flags with the name of the guy who they voted  for on it . Happens all the time .




Yeah, they also lob molotov cocktails, like they did this past summer.

:pleasetellmemore:

Didn't see any of that happening? No fireworks or bricks or frozen water bottles or canned foods.

Poles have been banned from some protest because some groups like ANTIFA like to sharpen them and use them as spears.

I heard the cop that died who was hit with the fire extinguisher died of comorbidities.

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27146719 - 01/13/21 09:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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2/3rds under the turtle?Is it constitutionally sound to proceed after a president has left office? Meaning impeachment and removal is a politcal process; once Dump leaves office, he is no longer the president.




They can continue to impeach after he leaves office.  They can continue to impeach even if he were to die. Its been done before (not POTUS)



Honestly, its a mistake to impeach trump, and im not just saying that because i support him. Even tho the election was stolen, he still lost. Hes out and Bidens in. Whats the point in beating a dead horse?
The Democrats say they're here to unite America. Funny way to unite America by trying to making a circus out of the political system and impeaching someone already out of office. The planes already been grounded. Trump already acknowledged he lost and committed to a peaceful transition of power. What more do they want?
This is a political circus and will keep trump in the news long after Biden takes over perpetuating division between supporters and non supporters.
Trump's already banned from the internet and out of office... he'll never be the gop candidate again and its impossible for him to win as 3rd party. Plus in 4 years he'll be too old to run, and most likely focused on other things.
The impeachment at this moment is more a form of political revenge and not based on practical reasons. They just want to punish him... Sowing more division than unity.  Dragging him through the mud on his way out accomplishes nothing but anger. Just let him fade off into history

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #27146726 - 01/13/21 10:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I agree that the impeachment is a mistake.

That said, there should be an onus of responsibility. Trump said a lot of dumb shit. He's a retard, so it might not be his fault, but he still said it. We can't let this happen again. So there has to be a punishment of some form.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: HamHead]
    #27146730 - 01/13/21 10:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Doucheowitz needs to be put out to pasture


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27146731 - 01/13/21 10:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Trump already acknowledged he lost



Source?


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 4
    #27146736 - 01/13/21 10:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Honestly, its a mistake to impeach trump, and im not just saying that because i support him. Even tho the election was stolen, he still lost. Hes out and Bidens in. Whats the point in beating a dead horse?




I think it's extremely important that Trump faces impeachment for a number of reasons. For one matter, he won't be able to collect his pension. For another, he won't be able to use the travel discounts granted to non-impeached presidents. For another, he won't be allowed to run for office again.

Most importantly, though, it sends a message about what happened on January 6th this year. Remember that a failed coup that goes unpunished is just a training exercise for the real coup.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
    #27146739 - 01/13/21 10:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Trump already acknowledged he lost



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He said it in a video he made. He also condemned the rioters

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #27146742 - 01/13/21 10:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There are benefits.  The cost outweighs the benefits, IMO.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #27146743 - 01/13/21 10:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thats hysterical and you only say that because you dont like him. Do you really trump, a multi millionaire cares about his pension or traveling discounts? Its going to do more harm than good. The last thing we need is more reasons for trump supporters or non trump supporters taking it to the streets after hes already out of office

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #27146753 - 01/13/21 10:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I have no idea how else besides impeachment Trump can be help (relatively) accountable for his behavior in office, especially ever since he lost the election and refused to admit it.

He needs punishment, plain and simple.  He has the money and power to get away with literally everything in the civilian world so it's time that changed, he totally brought this on himself


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27146756 - 01/13/21 10:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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There are benefits.  The cost outweighs the benefits, IMO.



What are the costs?

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Thats hysterical and you only say that because you dont like him.




You say that as if disliking Trump is a ludicrous position to hold. Yeah, I don't like Trump, and I think he should face consequences for the horrendous job he's done during his presidency. That's not really a radical position to hold.

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Do you really trump, a multi millionaire cares about his pension or traveling discounts?




Yes.

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Its going to do more harm than good. The last thing we need is more reasons for trump supporters or non trump supporters taking it to the streets after hes already out of office



They were going to take to the streets either way, and they probably still will even when Trump fades into the background. The unifying force among Trump supporters, deep down inside, isn't really Trump. It's all about white supremacy, ultranationalism, and xenophobia, and Trump is the man most capable of delivering on those values right now. When Trump fades away and becomes nothing more than a nightmarish memory in the collective conscious, a new "strong man leader" type will rise to the occasion, and these same people will flock to him instead.

The important thing is that we demonstrate to the world that we will not allow a fascist takeover of this country.

Oh yeah: It's also interesting how you ignored my point about how the impeachment forbids him from running for the presidency again in the future.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: HamHead]
    #27146758 - 01/13/21 10:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Alan Dershowitz says you can't impeach a private citizen and that the earliest the Senate can go to trial is Jan 20th at 1pm.

:shrug:

How many people have stood where Trump did and said to march to the Capitol? I hear it's been a lot of people.

What happened was nothing new, people have marched on that Capitol many times. It may have been the first to have been breached, I haven't looked into that history.



It's an interesting legal point but I don't think he's right. There's absolutely going to be a trial, and the congress does have jurisdiction because the crime was committed during trump's tenure as president and since the proceedings have already begun they a) can't be stopped only postponed, and b) still have to hold a trial. But the trial doesn't only mean he gets removed.

He's a great lawyer but he's also known for being very anti government in his opinions.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #27146759 - 01/13/21 10:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yeah: It's also interesting how you ignored my point about how the impeachment forbids him from running for the presidency again in the future.


Oh ya its interesting you ignored my "op" where i specifically addressed that. But since you went so far off the rails in some white supremacy rabbit hole i know you're the loony left and we won't go very far. Agree to disagree  :cheers:

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 4
    #27146764 - 01/13/21 10:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What are the costs?




There are 72 million who voted for him.  Tens of millions who are crazy enough to believe the election was actually stolen.  Somehow, we need to bring people together, and the sooner that starts, the better.  Impeaching Trump on his way out will only be seen as another act by the "deep state" to neuter the man who tried to stand up to the evil elites.

That mythology will outlive Trump.  Now is not the time to make him a martyr. Impeaching him again sends the message that Q was right and Trump became too big of a threat to the powers that be.  It's a confirmation of everything they already believe.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27146767 - 01/13/21 10:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I have no idea how else besides impeachment Trump can be help (relatively) accountable for his behavior in office, especially ever since he lost the election and refused to admit it.

He needs punishment, plain and simple.  He has the money and power to get away with literally everything in the civilian world so it's time that changed, he totally brought this on himself



How exactly is impeachment punishing him? He doesn't need money, hes already removed from office and he wont run again. Its not like there's a jail sentence tied to it :shrug:

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 4
    #27146768 - 01/13/21 10:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's also important so the Trumpkins continue to expose themselves.  There is a deep rot at the core of this country and the first step to removing a cancerous growth is identifying it


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #27146774 - 01/13/21 10:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh ya its interesting you ignored my "op" where i specifically addressed that.




Fair point - I haven't read the entire thread. I joined in pretty late in the game, relatively.

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But since you went so far off the rails in some white supremacy rabbit hole




It is a demonstrable fact that white supremacy is a unifying ideology among Trump supporters. I would almost say it is one of the unifying ideologies for that corner of the political compass.

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i know you're the loony left and we won't go very far. Agree to disagree  :cheers:



If you want to end the discussion here, fine, but please, don't insult me like that. I've been respectful to you, even if we disagree.


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