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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] 1
#27143622 - 01/12/21 11:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Why did his supporters riot? They came to dc armed. They came to dc planning to storm the Capitol
How could it have been predicted? Nobody knew! Look at the date of these tweets

Why did the mayor literally send out an emergency phone alert to all residents the night before saying there was going to be violence and stay away from the Capitol?
Imagine if people were saying -in mid August - out loud that al queda would try to fly planes into the World Trade Center the morning of Sept 11th. Imagine that accuracy, and how that would look for the administration of George Bush. That’s exactly what these tweets are.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] 1
#27143628 - 01/12/21 11:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: So you think Giuliani went rogue? If so, why didn't Trump interrupt and say something to the effect of, "That's not what I want. We don't want any combat today?" Isn't that what we expect from the leader of the free world? Don't we expect him to hold up the ideals of this nation against anyone who would seek to undermine those ideals?
The easy answer is that Giuliani said exactly what Trump wanted to say
It’s amazing how trump manages to get other people to do the more explicitly illegal activities. They get charged and if he hasn’t turned on them, he pardons them.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] 1
#27143633 - 01/12/21 11:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's amazing the extent to which Trumpers can deny reality when it is right in front of their faces. It's like those people who have 30 lb tumors on their shoulders because they've somehow convinced themselves it's not a big deal for all this time.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] 1
#27143637 - 01/12/21 11:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Until trump or guiliani confirm this then its just speculation on your part
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 2
#27143641 - 01/12/21 11:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look up the word speculation. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Giuliani called for trial by combat. When Giuliani did so, he was acting as an agent for Trump and speaking on behalf of Trump. Trump was there when he said it. Trump spoke thereafter and did not correct Giuliani in any way. None of these facts are disputed. From that sequence of events, we can rationally infer that Trump approved of what Giuliani said. That's not speculation at all. The difference between speculation and rational inference is key here, and you would be well-served to learn that difference.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
#27143646 - 01/12/21 11:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It's amazing the extent to which Trumpers can deny reality when it is right in front of their faces. It's like those people who have 30 lb tumors on their shoulders because they've somehow convinced themselves it's not a big deal for all this time.
Look at you. You somehow think trump encouraged rioting and then went on to say that trump paid guiliani to say trial by combat in hopes of starting a riot... talk about denying reality
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#27143647 - 01/12/21 11:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It's amazing the extent to which Trumpers can deny reality when it is right in front of their faces. It's like those people who have 30 lb tumors on their shoulders because they've somehow convinced themselves it's not a big deal for all this time.
Look at you. You somehow think trump encouraged rioting and then went on to say that trump paid guiliani to say trial by combat in hopes of starting a riot... talk about denying reality
You're lying again. Nowhere in this conversation did I say that trump hoped to start a riot.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#27143649 - 01/12/21 11:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#27143661 - 01/12/21 11:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It's amazing the extent to which Trumpers can deny reality when it is right in front of their faces. It's like those people who have 30 lb tumors on their shoulders because they've somehow convinced themselves it's not a big deal for all this time.
Look at you. You somehow think trump encouraged rioting and then went on to say that trump paid guiliani to say trial by combat in hopes of starting a riot... talk about denying reality
Do you really believe a leader has no responsibility for actions taken IN HIS NAME? What about the fact that illnteligence agencies knew that his supporters were planning an attack. DC police knew. People on Twitter knew. Did trump let it happen or is he just so incompetent that he let the congress fall to insurrectionists for the first time in 200 years. Where’s the fucking accountability from the guy who would take credit for the sun coming up?
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Enlil said: It's amazing the extent to which Trumpers can deny reality when it is right in front of their faces. It's like those people who have 30 lb tumors on their shoulders because they've somehow convinced themselves it's not a big deal for all this time.
Look at you. You somehow think trump encouraged rioting and then went on to say that trump paid guiliani to say trial by combat in hopes of starting a riot... talk about denying reality
You're lying again. Nowhere did I say that trump hoped to start a riot.
Ya you said trump was responsible for inviting his supporters to protest at the capital, then used trial by combat as ammunition to say that trump incited the riot and then said trump paid guiliani to say it. You're grasping at straws dude
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 9
#27143672 - 01/12/21 11:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He is responsible. He invited them. He riled them up. He knew beforehand that they were planning to start some shit. He made up the whole election fraud claim from thin air which was the genesis of the whole riot. He is responsible no matter how you slice it.
Whether he hoped for a riot or not, I can't say. I tend to believe it went further than he wanted it to because he's a frail man and was probably a bit frightened by the violence of it. Still, that doesn't make him less responsible.
At the very least he is responsible in the same way that a drunk driver is responsible for the death of a person he hits with his car. He doesn't have to intend the consequences to be responsible. His recklessness led to the consequences, and that's more than enough.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] 1
#27143676 - 01/12/21 11:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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3 democratic members now have covid after having to shelter with maskless GOP covidiots.
There is something seriously broken in the minds of modern conservatives. I just don’t understand.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
#27143681 - 01/12/21 11:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please show the evidence that trump knew beforehand they were: planning some shit.
If trumps responsible for riling up his base and causing a riot then the msm is responsible for riling up bleeding heart liberals and the summer of love that caused billions in damages
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#27143694 - 01/12/21 11:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Koods has posted it in this thread.
The difference between what the MSM did and what Trump did is that the MSM was reporting actual events such as the killing of a black man by the police. Trump was spewing pure lies.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] 1
#27143703 - 01/12/21 11:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That doesn't prove trump knew something was going to happen. There's a clear difference between reporting actual events and sensationalizing certain events to generate outrage. Surely you know this
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 7
#27143707 - 01/12/21 11:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's a possibility that Trump ignored the briefings he got, but it's unlikely since it was talking about him.
Look, I get it. You don't like people talking badly about daddy. Unfortunately, daddy did the wrong thing and people got hurt. Get over it.
Your whataboutisms are sad as fuck. This isn't about BLM. This is about the storming of our nation's capitol. We've had riots before, and we'll have riots again. They're awful, but they aren't an assault on the very institutions that make this nation great. Stop pretending there is any comparison.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 3
#27143760 - 01/12/21 12:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: What planet are you from where you think trump said that?
Dude, look at your position:
The rioters: violent, unjustified Rudy Giuliani's statement about "Trial by Combat": violent language, unjustified Pelosi, who requested that Trump send in the secret service to neutralize the riots: not worthy of mention Trump, who refused Pelosi's request to send in the secret service: did nothing to contribute to this situation whatsoever
It's almost like your worldview is that literally everyone in the American government(even people like Giuliani, who is a close ally of Trump's) is untrustworthy except for Donald Trump. Wake up.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
#27143768 - 01/12/21 12:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump may face civil liability for the Capital riots, which has a lower burden of proof than a criminal charge. One of his advisors told him, "Think OJ".
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 5
#27143779 - 01/12/21 12:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: That doesn't prove trump knew something was going to happen.
You're right, Trump probably didn't know there was going to be a riot. He's an orange ape, not a prognosticator. That said, consider the other facts in the situation:
- He lied to his supporters about a fraudulent election (which has been thoroughly debunked)
- The reason his supporters started the riot in the first place was to interfere with what they believed was a fraudulent election
- The riot was obviously in his favor, politically, whether he specifically called for a riot or not
- He didn't ask the secret service to intervene, despite the fact that someone had already been killed at the capitol
Knowing all of this, you're still willing to stick to the conclusion that Trump bears no responsibility for what happened on the 6th?
And you're saying that Enlil is the one grasping at straws?
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The people who bear by far the most responsibility for what happened on the 6th are the ones who stole the election.
None of this would be happening if the election hadn't literally been stolen.
But they stole it, and now people are pissed. Gee, I can only imagine why.
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