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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27133034 - 01/07/21 01:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So if it was proven, yesterday's violence is appropriate? That's your position?



Correct.  If it was proven Biden didn't win, and we moved forward with Biden anyway, I think a little violence would be appropriate.



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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos]
    #27133037 - 01/07/21 01:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He's just happy with the attention.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27133039 - 01/07/21 01:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So? Whether he won or not, Trump appealed to you. You lived through 4 year of a Trump presidency and afterwards still thought to yourself 'this person is the best candidate to get what I want'.



No, that's not what I think.  I already explained, it was my opinion that Trump was anti-establishment (I realize that's debatable) and that's why I voted for him.  I then agreed the Green Party would have been a better choice, but that neither vote mattered since I live in California.

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At best, you are willing to enable fascists if you think it'll get you those "economic things" you want. That's a mark on your character that doesn't require a second Trump term.



Trump didn't win California, so I didn't enable anything.  :facepalm:


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos]
    #27133041 - 01/07/21 01:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems that Falcon doesn't consider "proof of voting fraud" to be a "grievance".



BINGO!


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27133043 - 01/07/21 01:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So you believe that violence is an appropriate response to proven cheating...




Honestly, who doesn’t believe this?

We live in a country where we just lay economic siege on any countries we even suspect of fraudulent elections.

That said, if the Democrats DID cheat and steal the election, I’d much rather deal with their fraudulent victory than correcting that. The violence brought on by 4 more years of Trump far outweighs the cheating imo.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27133045 - 01/07/21 01:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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As someone whose ideas and opinions are regularly dismissed around here I can’t imagine the logic of shooting myself in the foot by announcing to everyone that I voted for trump.



Yes, it was dumb to announce, but I'm not afraid of people not taking me seriously.  I get more things right than others.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27133047 - 01/07/21 01:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You were one of the 72 million who gave a stamp of approval to trumps deplorable conduct. That means something.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27133049 - 01/07/21 01:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If it was proven Biden didn't win, and we moved forward with Biden anyway, I think a little violence would be appropriate.



Then you fit right in with the maga.



Do you think if it was proven Biden cheated, we should make him president anyway???

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So you believe that violence is an appropriate response to proven cheating...




Honestly, who doesn’t believe this?



Thank you.  :thumbup:


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27133055 - 01/07/21 02:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems that Falcon doesn't consider "proof of voting fraud" to be a "grievance".



BINGO!




Ah, this makes sense. Violence is not appropriate for grievances, but since election fraud is not a legitimate grievance, but a normal everyday thing that people shouldn;t be upset about, violence is okay in that case.

Do you routinely shoot people for walking funny?

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27133056 - 01/07/21 02:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So you believe that violence is an appropriate response to proven cheating...




Honestly, who doesn’t believe this?





I don't. We're a nation of laws. We have due process. It will never be perfect, but Falcon91Wolvrn03's position and yours inevitably leads to "might equals right. "


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos]
    #27133058 - 01/07/21 02:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Ah, this makes sense. Violence is not appropriate for grievances, but since election fraud is not a legitimate grievance, but a normal everyday thing that people shouldn;t be upset about, violence is okay in that case.



I said "proven" election fraud.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27133064 - 01/07/21 02:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you think if it was proven Biden cheated, we should make him president anyway???





No. We should follow the laws and procedures put in place to address the grievance and then carry out the lawful outcome of those procedures.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27133067 - 01/07/21 02:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Obviously I agree.  But we don't always do that.

What I'm saying is that if it could be proven that Trump won, and we moved forward with Biden anyway, that would be grounds for violence.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27133069 - 01/07/21 02:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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As someone whose ideas and opinions are regularly dismissed around here I can’t imagine the logic of shooting myself in the foot by announcing to everyone that I voted for trump.



Yes, it was dumb to announce, but I'm not afraid of people not taking me seriously.  I get more things right than others.




You put too much weight in what the truth is. It’s not what the truth is, it’s what people think the truth is. After watching trump lie his ass all the way to the Oval Office we should have learned this lesson by now.

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So you believe that violence is an appropriate response to proven cheating...




Honestly, who doesn’t believe this?





I don't. We're a nation of laws. We have due process. It will never be perfect, but Falcon91Wolvrn03's position and yours inevitably leads to "might equals right. "




I think you’re operating under a very narrow definition of violence. Might does equal right. That’s why rich people and cops get away with murder and people like us don’t. You yourself have used this argument to explain why communism can’t work.

It might not be how things should be, but it’s how they are.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27133072 - 01/07/21 02:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Obviously I agree.  But we don't always do that.

What I'm saying is that if it could be proven that Trump won, and we moved forward with Biden anyway, that would be grounds for violence.



So if due process fails, violence is okay?


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27133077 - 01/07/21 02:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You put too much weight in what the truth is. It’s not what the truth is, it’s what people think the truth is.



Perhaps, but I guess that's my choice.  I like to focus on what is real over what people think.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27133078 - 01/07/21 02:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Obviously I agree.  But we don't always do that.

What I'm saying is that if it could be proven that Trump won, and we moved forward with Biden anyway, that would be grounds for violence.



So if due process fails, violence is okay?



For a presidential election?  Yes, I think so.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27133084 - 01/07/21 02:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Then you're a true Maga


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27133141 - 01/07/21 02:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You put too much weight in what the truth is. It’s not what the truth is, it’s what people think the truth is.



Perhaps, but I guess that's my choice.  I like to focus on what is real over what people think.




Why even engage in electoral politics then? If Bernie subscribed to that idea people would still think universal healthcare and socialism are evil.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27133160 - 01/07/21 02:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

But Bernie didn't go with what people thought.  He went with what was right.  And people joined him.

Maybe I missed your point?

Just like I said Trump didn't nefariously collude with the Russian Government.  And people now generally agree my side was right.  :shrug:


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