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The Ecstatic
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos] 3
#27149235 - 01/15/21 07:09 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Unity is overrated.
Americans have a big problem thinking they can make their enemies their friends, instead of just defeating their enemies, which is wild because we Damn sure advocate the latter when it comes to people/groups outside the US. Slight disagreement? Decades long embargo. Don’t wanna assist our new war? Sanctions.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: The Ecstatic] 3
#27149257 - 01/15/21 07:22 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yes. Unity is overrated, and I don't want to join with the deplorable half of Republican voters, and a also not a certain portion of Dem voters. I do want to reestablish our traditional alliances that Trump poisoned. I fully understand that puts me in lockstep with the neoliberal war machine, but what's the alternative? China is getting stronger every day, the only major country with economic growth during corona. Then there's Russia, Iran, Pakistan, etc. IDK, we are in decline. It's better to have allies than not.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Brian Jones] 2
#27149265 - 01/15/21 07:34 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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“Stop marginalizing white males!” 
What a joke. This is the fear of these fragile white men: that the Golden Rule will finally come around for them and they’ll be treated how they’ve treated actual marginalized peoples. Reckoning is a word that comes to mind.
If my daughter has to work a little harder to get into a good school because she’s a white girl, so be it. She has the means and support to do so. I’d gladly take a turn at the bottom to lift everyone up
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Thing is, they're only worried about specifically how THEY'VE treated marginalized groups. Most people don't do that shit. As white male, I recognize that I have privilege (And have used it to my advantage occasionally, specifically when dealing with police), but I try to not treat other people like shit even though I could get away with it.
They just assume everyone else is as shitty as them. White males aren't being marginalized, assholes are.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Brian Jones]
#27149376 - 01/15/21 08:58 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Yes. Unity is overrated, and I don't want to join with the deplorable half of Republican voters, and a also not a certain portion of Dem voters. I do want to reestablish our traditional alliances that Trump poisoned. I fully understand that puts me in lockstep with the neoliberal war machine, but what's the alternative? China is getting stronger every day, the only major country with economic growth during corona. Then there's Russia, Iran, Pakistan, etc. IDK, we are in decline. It's better to have allies than not.
You're just as arrogant as Hillary Clinton herself. This is why the "left" is a fucking joke. Intolerance. Arrogance. Hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with their pathetic & hypocritical line of thinking.
And that's exactly why your "side" had to cheat to win the election. People are tired of the fucking hypocrisy, and are naturally repulsed by it. Too bad you can't see that.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick]
#27149397 - 01/15/21 09:13 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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The only time a Republican president won the popular vote this century was GWB's second term, except in fantasy land. They have some real problems getting enough votes for their presidential candidates. But yeah Hillary Clinton's arrogance was a significant factor in her losing the election.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Brian Jones] 2
#27149400 - 01/15/21 09:13 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos]
#27149413 - 01/15/21 09:22 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Thing is, they're only worried about specifically how THEY'VE treated marginalized groups. Most people don't do that shit. As white male, I recognize that I have privilege (And have used it to my advantage occasionally, specifically when dealing with police), but I try to not treat other people like shit even though I could get away with it.
They just assume everyone else is as shitty as them. White males aren't being marginalized, assholes are.
The poor are marginalized, and among them are quite a few white men (and women). At the same time, non-white people are disproportionally likely to be poor, and are still marginalized in some ways even if they aren't poor.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick]
#27149460 - 01/15/21 09:53 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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You're just as arrogant as Hillary Clinton herself. This is why the "left" is a fucking joke. Intolerance. Arrogance. Hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with their pathetic & hypocritical line of thinking.
And that's exactly why your "side" had to cheat to win the election. People are tired of the fucking hypocrisy, and are naturally repulsed by it. Too bad you can't see that.
Who gives a fuck about your feelings ?
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] 4
#27149470 - 01/15/21 10:00 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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chopstick said:
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Brian Jones said: Yes. Unity is overrated, and I don't want to join with the deplorable half of Republican voters, and a also not a certain portion of Dem voters. I do want to reestablish our traditional alliances that Trump poisoned. I fully understand that puts me in lockstep with the neoliberal war machine, but what's the alternative? China is getting stronger every day, the only major country with economic growth during corona. Then there's Russia, Iran, Pakistan, etc. IDK, we are in decline. It's better to have allies than not.
You're just as arrogant as Hillary Clinton herself. This is why the "left" is a fucking joke. Intolerance. Arrogance. Hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with their pathetic & hypocritical line of thinking.
And that's exactly why your "side" had to cheat to win the election. People are tired of the fucking hypocrisy, and are naturally repulsed by it. Too bad you can't see that.
Aint that a joke. Everyone but the extreme right is inclusive and the extreme right is now losing their minds about not being included because they marginalize other groups.
Intolerance is directly associated with the far right lol. No one else are known for white supremacists, and being afraid of islam and judaism.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You argued with me when I said "a lot of Trump supporters aren't white supremacists", and now you're agreeing with me and explaining that you think I was right.
Your current explanations I agree with.
So you now agree with me that the Trump presidency was a white supremacist movement?
Because that was the reason you originally challenged me with teh "a lot of Trump supporters aren't white supremacists" comment.
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Cyans
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Well here here....Now just taking it all and looking back on the past decade it seems more clear to me whats going on here. During the occupy wall street movement many were able to look past cultural and political differences because we had our sights set upon the huge wealth inequality, permanent political elite class, as well as other injustices perpetrated by the haves over the have nots. How surprising is it really when almost immediately following OWS we were bombarded with this woke SJW movement on overdrive and no movement like OWS ever formed up again since now we fight each other instead of the man. I can see where frustration lies on both sides here. Just realize that the feeling like you are a bug in a jar being prodded into fighting by a stick is a result of the elites keeping us divided. I am much more suspicious about the political elite which have been in government for 30 plus years being paid off by lobbyists then Gilded boy Donald Trump with his 4 years in office. This problem is being ignored by the legacy media because the msm is just another tool to keep our eye off the ball. The storming of the capitol sent a clear message to the political elite. Sure some were chanting we want trump which is kinda cringe at that moment in time. However dont for one sec think that helplessness and income inequality was not a major motivation to storm the capitol just like what brought out BLM protesters last spring.. And also..this does not go away with trump. There is a human condition that causes us to go crazy in the springtime...you guys just wait till spring!!!
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Cyans] 3
#27149598 - 01/15/21 11:30 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Cyans said: However dont for one sec think that helplessness and income inequality was not a major motivation to storm the capitol just like what brought out BLM protesters last spring..
I agree that the massive economic disparity brought on by the abuse of capitalism is a common enemy between the left and the right, but don't pretend for a moment that the BLM protests from last spring and the storming of the capitol were motivated by the same political agenda.
BLM is about demanding an end to police violence, which disproportionately affects people of color. BLM is about dismantling the system of violent oppression that enforces the income inequality in our country.
The storming of the capitol was about securing political power for... you guessed it: a greedy capitalist. Had it succeeded, it would have achieved nothing in terms of resolving income inequality.
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As someone who actively participated in the Occupy movement, I have to dispute Cyans description: "During the occupy wall street movement many were able to look past cultural and political differences because we had our sights set upon the huge wealth inequality, permanent political elite class, as well as other injustices perpetrated by the haves over the have nots. How surprising is it really when almost immediately following OWS we were bombarded with this woke SJW movement on overdrive and no movement like OWS ever formed up again since now we fight each other instead of the man."
My experience living in one of the larger Occupy encampments, intersectionality and inclusiveness were significant focuses. I remember when our consensus-based decision making process switched to hand signals to better accommodate the deaf and hard of hearing. I remember marches being planned on routes with wheelchair access. This "woke SJW movement" existed before Occupy, and certainly wasn't the cause of its downfall; although Occupy did introduce many concepts to the mainstream, and it coincided with the rise of online #hashtag social movements. Maybe that's why you feel the Occupy movement was immediately followed by this "woke SJW movement".
In fact, the Occupy encampments that adopted Antifa™ tactics - aka black bloc militancy - were the longest lasting encampments.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Cyans]
#27149765 - 01/15/21 01:22 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Cyans said: ...paid off by lobbyists then Gilded boy Donald Trump with his 4 years in office...
Unfortunately, it is abundantly clear to most people that "Gilded boy Donald" had his hands out for a payout from day one. He got into politics because he wanted (a) fame and (b) for lobbyists and MAGA hats to pay off his hundreds of millions of debt.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Kryptos]
#27149875 - 01/15/21 02:34 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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I wouldnt be so sure to discount the possibility he really was worried about the direction this country was heading and decided to act in the last years of his life. I mean this notion I have is backed up by interviews of Trump from 20 or 30 years ago when he was directly asked why he doesnt run for president and i think he gave some acceptable answers. Shoot they probably have already deleted these videos from many years ago because they violate terms of service and break NPC conditioning whatever that means LOL... Trump must be appreciated under a different perspective if you ask me. I dont think you can find another president or politician that has engaged so many into the spectacle that is United States politics in this new millennium on all sides. I had no idea we had actually reached this plane of existence and decadence for the political elite.. Mitch McConnel and Schumer should simply not exist.... I have so much more respect for Matt Gaetz and AOC after the past few years. I really hope if nothing else we can all agree to dump the old guard. When i was much younger and read about the cardinal rules of voting.. No new taxes and no incumbents and it made so much sense.. Here I am 20 years later and I am quite surprised that in all of my naivety from those years ago perhaps i was able to hone in on the essence of the issue.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Cyans] 4
#27149906 - 01/15/21 03:02 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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100% about him, his ego and his bank account.
Donald trump is the most self serving person in America.
Most people realized this decades ago its amazing some people still haven’t figured it out
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Cyans]
#27149946 - 01/15/21 03:32 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Cyans said: Trump must be appreciated under a different perspective if you ask me.
Yeah, the perspective of "Narcissistic Personality Disorder"
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Cyans said: I had no idea we had actually reached this plane of existence and decadence for the political elite.. Mitch McConnel and Schumer should simply not exist....
Your ignorance of the problem is only yours. At least now you know.
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Cyans said: I have so much more respect for Matt Gaetz and AOC after the past few years.
JFC, you're putting Mr. get off of multiple DUIs because daddy is a Senator next to one of the few remaining examples of hard work being rewarded left in the US?
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Cyans said: No new taxes and no incumbents and it made so much sense.
Good point. Let's not have taxes. Like how we didn't have taxes for fire departments back in the day. Then when your house was on fire, you got to negotiate the price of that fire being taken care of.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You thinking that 74 million people are white supremacists isn't any more of a well thought out argument than me saying 81 million just voted against Medicare for All this past election.

Damn falcon has turned to just blatantly lying about what people are saying.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
#27149965 - 01/15/21 03:42 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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koods said: 100% about him, his ego and his bank account.
Donald trump is the most self serving person in America.
Most people realized this decades ago its amazing some people still haven’t figured it out
Most of them are juat turning a blind eye to it. I know people who hated him as a person up until he ran for president. A cousin of mine who works in NYC used to talk about how everyone he knows whos worked in trump projects has gotten ripped off. Now he loves the guy. Still brings up how trump ripped his union off though. They just care about their team winning at this point
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