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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: ballsalsa]
#27148961 - 01/15/21 02:10 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: They carry water for white supremacists, whether wittingly or unwittingly
I don't argue with that.
I'm arguing about being called dishonest by him and Enlil.
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I'm arguing about being called dishonest by him and Enlil.
That's literally every post you make.
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You don't have to agree. That's what unwittingly means in this particular case.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Please answer this: Are all Trump supporters white supremacists to some degree or aren't they?
No, they are not. However, it's not particularly relevant to the overall arc of this discussion. Allow me to explain...
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Why did you argue with me then when I first said "a lot of Trump supporters aren't white supremacists"?
Because the only reason you made that point was to (attempt to) counter my claim that the Trump presidency is a white supremacist movement, which it is. Trump is a white supremacist president. He consistently spouts white supremacist rhetoric (I gave multiple examples of this, and you didn't even attempt to deny any of them), he has more white supremacist supporters than any other mainstream politician in America, and he accepted endorsements and donations from multiple known white supremacists. You haven't challenged me on any of those three points thus far, and I think the reason for that is because the evidence in favor of them is so overwhelming that denying them would be stupid. Though you are extremely dishonest, I don't think you're stupid.
So far, I'm with you except your point about me being dishonest. That part is a lie. In fact, you just admitted I was correct when you first argued against my point that "a lot of Trump supporters aren't white supremacists". It's not my fault for taking you seriously then. You tried to weasel out of your original statement by saying there are different levels of white supremacy, which of course I agree with. But now your even backing out of that by saying not everyone is a white supremacist, so you can pretend I was lying when I took you seriously.
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Nonagon Infinity said: My point, which I have stated multiple times, is that Trump doesn't need for all of his supporters to be white supremacists in order for white supremacists to achieve their goals. The white supremacists, though they may have been outnumbered, still succeeded in securing the presidential platform for someone who is willing to normalize white supremacist rhetoric and ideas, which was their goal all along.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter whether or not Trump's supporters are all white supremacists to some degree or not, because the ones that are white supremacists got to claim a huge victory when Trump was elected in 2016, and everyone else that voted for him assisted them in achieving that victory.
Again, I don't disagree with anything you just said. It's like voting for Biden is enabling Government never to pass Medicare For All, even if the majority of the country supports it.
You argued with me when I said "a lot of Trump supporters aren't white supremacists", and now you're agreeing with me and explaining that you think I was right.
Your current explanations I agree with.
I blame this argument on Enlil for calling me dishonest to begin with.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze]
#27148969 - 01/15/21 02:25 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I hold no sway over mcfreezernator
Smells like Canuckian Xul up in hurrrrr. Remember how his shit started? Like this. Then one day its eugenics shit getting posted. Big oooof.
Well, instead of just saying im stupid and a racist why not attack my argument? If white supremacy is as big as problem as you say it is, you should have lots of ammo to shoot
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze]
#27148974 - 01/15/21 02:30 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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I'm arguing about being called dishonest by him and Enlil.
That's literally every post you make.
Can you link to a lie, or are you going to take the Enlil approach? If you can't I'll give you 0 shrooms for accusing me, if you can I give you 5.
If you do find something, I get to explain my position, and balls gets to be the final judge of whether I was lying or not. Deal?
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 3
#27148986 - 01/15/21 02:38 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I hold no sway over mcfreezernator
Smells like Canuckian Xul up in hurrrrr. Remember how his shit started? Like this. Then one day its eugenics shit getting posted. Big oooof.
Well, instead of just saying im stupid and a racist why not attack my argument? If white supremacy is as big as problem as you say it is, you should have lots of ammo to shoot
I literally linked you a nice wiki page on a big ole white supremacy rally that people died in just a few posts back. You however, keep wanting to move the goalposts of the argument to try to make some form of comparison between the two when no comparison would be fair or just. Apples to oranges as some say. You claim white nationalism/surpremacy isn't a real issue. I just showed you it was. The end. No amount of whataboutism to BLM helps your argument. You know what kills lots of people? Cars. Since Cars kill lots of people than white supremacy can't be an issue. That's your dumb ass argument. Can't forget about Volcanos. They cause a lot of property damage. They wipe out entire cities. Obviously since that happens white supremacy can't exist or be a real problem., VOLCANOS. WE MUST FIGHT VOLCANOS.
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I'm arguing about being called dishonest by him and Enlil.
That's literally every post you make.
Can you link to a lie, or are you going to take the Enlil approach? If you can't I'll give you 0 shrooms for accusing me, if you can I give you 5.
If you do find something, I get to explain my position, and balls gets to be the final judge of whether I was lying or not. Deal?
Not going to try, was just pointing out that almost every post I ever read of yours is arguing over getting called dishonest or semantics and rarely even the actual issue.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze]
#27149011 - 01/15/21 03:05 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Your overwhelming evidence is a rally from like 3 years ago?
This just happened: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#27149027 - 01/15/21 03:31 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: What white supremacist rhetoric does trump spew? Can we just stop talking about white supremacy? Its a made up issue
Stick to the argument at hand or concede. Stop trying to whataboutism your way out of it.
https://www.ajc.com/news/white-supremacists-organizing-racist-attacks-social-media-amid-unrest/vV4faU828aBh8cfyMksM5M/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-supremacists-militias-infiltrate-us-police-report
Here is an easymode duckduckgo search for you to continue ignoring links to your hearts content.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+supremacy+protest+list
I find it funny that you can tell who gets their news from Q sources just based on a few simple arguments they try to make. Shit, all you have to do is watch that Q congresswoman talk to see what the current scuttlebutt trend will be for the kool aid drinkers. Odd that your arguments match almost exactly.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/marjorie-taylor-greene-mask-trump-impeachment-b1786952.html
"Ms Greene used her time to unabashedly support Donald Trump and minimise his role in the Capitol violence, while attacking Black Lives Matter protests last year."
"Ms Greene Greene, a freshman congresswoman elected last November, has previously been accused of making Islamophobic comments, and claiming that white men are the “most mistreated” group in America."
GTFOutta here with your Q garbage.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze]
#27149111 - 01/15/21 04:50 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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So when you see a group of white males load up their 40k pickup trucks with guns , ammo and tactile gear and drive halfway across the country to a treason party hosted by a billionaire they read about on the internet your first thought isn't look at those poor economically disadvantaged people living under tyranny ?
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze]
#27149139 - 01/15/21 05:09 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Wtf does Q have to do with white supremacy?
The jokes on you because I never said that white supremacy doesn't exist, i merely said it wasnt a pressing issue and all your links prove is that it exists...
Frankly white supremacy is going by the wayside, there's less white supremacists than ever before. How do you reconcile the fact that the usa currently has the lowest amount of white supremacists ever?
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 3
#27149145 - 01/15/21 05:24 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Seems like some people are sad that a society that is all inclusive wants to disclude only a few groups, groups that marginalize others. Finding ways to defend or be an apologist for white supremacists is a bad look.
Regardless people like that are not convincing anyone but themselves that they are not white supremacists by arguing about it
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 2
#27149156 - 01/15/21 05:50 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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The Qnonsense blends nicely with white supremacist and nationalist belief lines. They intertwine quite a bit as do the groups involved. I also never claimed you said it doesn't exist. I clearly bolded your claim up there buddy. You said its not an issue. My counterargument, with links to back it up is that it obviously IS an issue or there wouldn't be links to post about it.
For someone who doesn't think it's an issue you sure are trying hard to defend it while attempting to pass the buck on to BLM with whatabout nonsense.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: bodhisatta]
#27149171 - 01/15/21 06:10 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yea, i guess you're right. I went a bit overboard on the white supremacy thing because that one poster was relentlessly bringing it up... either way i stand by my assertion that if you wanted America to come together and unite you have to treat everyone equally. You can't unite anyone as long as identity politics are at play...
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#27149174 - 01/15/21 06:14 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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mndfreeze said: The Qnonsense blends nicely with white supremacist and nationalist belief lines. They intertwine quite a bit as do the groups involved. I also never claimed you said it doesn't exist. I clearly bolded your claim up there buddy. You said its not an issue. My counterargument, with links to back it up is that it obviously IS an issue or there wouldn't be links to post about it.
For someone who doesn't think it's an issue you sure are trying hard to defend it while attempting to pass the buck on to BLM with whatabout nonsense.
Well, i will admit that i am a nationalist
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 2
#27149190 - 01/15/21 06:32 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: We'll see how many wars are started post trump, because of trump
Biden said he would specifically prioritize helping minority businesses re open. If thats not marginalizing white people then idk what is
If some policy helped 13.4% of Americans (and it's a huge stretch to think that it would help all of them, probably one percent is more likely), and you feel threatened by this, wouldn't that mean you had to be in the bottom 13%? Actually let's adjust the numbers for realism, the bottom one percent.
It amazes me that so many whites can self identify as being jeopardized by a policy that might benefit a small number of minority group members.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Brian Jones]
#27149206 - 01/15/21 06:45 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Except i didn't say that i was threatened by it or that whites were. I merely said his statement marginalized white males because he specifically left them out. By definition he did marginalize whites in his statement. And as i said before, if bidens goal is to unite Americans how does he sow unity by pandering to minorities? If Bidens so into uniting Americans why does he put some groups above others? How do identity politics sow unity? How do minorities feel when people like Biden keep reminding them they aren't white? Why doesnt he just say he's going to help American small businesses re open? Why cant biden refer to people of all colors as just "Americans"?
Identity politics sow division not unity. Prove me wrong
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123]
#27149213 - 01/15/21 06:54 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Maybe the reason why he doesn't say he wants to help all American small businesses is for a couple hundred years the government only helped white businesses, so somebody (yeah Democrats), said why don't we try a slightly different tactic. So maybe it helps the party get more votes and helps the country.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 3
#27149215 - 01/15/21 06:57 AM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Yea, i guess you're right. I went a bit overboard on the white supremacy thing because that one poster was relentlessly bringing it up... either way i stand by my assertion that if you wanted America to come together and unite you have to treat everyone equally. You can't unite anyone as long as identity politics are at play...
Why does the right like to call for unity when they get called on their bullshit? I don't want unity with white supremacists, and I don't want unity with fascists. I want them excluded from society at minimum, and I don't really give a shit about what happens to them past that.
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