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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27139870 - 01/10/21 01:36 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

If they can find other hosting then yeah it is not an issue.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
    #27139879 - 01/10/21 01:41 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

They are going to be forced to purchase and operate their own server farm, like Gab.

Honestly Gab has got their shit together the most. I highly recommend.

Another good one is minds.com, they're less known and less popular but have incorporated cryptocurrency as a way to upvote & reward content (I like)


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #27139881 - 01/10/21 01:43 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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You're right.  Now THIS is the kind of intelligent discussion I wish I got from others, which is unfair of me because many users on a drug forum just aren't smart enough.



Too bad you ended the intelligent discussion when you decided to insult the rest of us instead of actually responding to psi's criticism of your argument.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27139920 - 01/10/21 02:11 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

The third paragraph of the 14th amendment is getting dusted off

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No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.




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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27139925 - 01/10/21 02:15 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
You're right.  Now THIS is the kind of intelligent discussion I wish I got from others, which is unfair of me because many users on a drug forum just aren't smart enough.



Too bad you ended the intelligent discussion when you decided to insult the rest of us instead of actually responding to psi's criticism of your argument.



Why do you think I ended it?  I acknowledged he made a good point, and that I tried to go to Parler, which told me "Sign up not available".


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27139932 - 01/10/21 02:22 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Check out the comment section on the article I linked. I think the discussions on that site would be your style.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
    #27139954 - 01/10/21 02:34 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Another cop has died from his injuries


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] * 1
    #27139959 - 01/10/21 02:35 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Are you talking about the one who committed suicide?

:facepalm:


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27139965 - 01/10/21 02:39 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

The maga terror attack has more casualties than the Benghazi raid . Feelin great again ?


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Psilynut2] * 2
    #27139970 - 01/10/21 02:41 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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The maga terror attack has more casualties than the Benghazi raid . Feelin great again ?





So all the victims who died during the BLM & Antifa "mostly peaceful" riots is no big deal then?

The double standard sickens me.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27140043 - 01/10/21 03:21 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

No .

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DC police made far more arrests at the height of Black Lives Matter protests than during the Capitol clash




https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/08/us/dc-police-arrests-blm-capitol-insurrection-invs/index.html


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] * 2
    #27140061 - 01/10/21 03:29 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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They are going to be forced to purchase and operate their own server farm, like Gab.

Honestly Gab has got their shit together the most. I highly recommend.



It's funny you mention Gab. After being connected to the 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, Gab got the same response Parler is getting now. Eventually, Gab created a fork of the open-source self-hosted social networking service, Mastodon. The response was that the Mastodon community (the "Fediverse"), despite being decentralized, still widely de-platformed Gab. They retain the benefit of access to Mastodon apps, but they've been reduced to the equivalent of essentially yelling in an sealed room amongst themselves. The whole episode really showcased both the benefits and negatives of decentralized social networks.

Here's the thing - in both the physical and digital world - fascists depend on authoritarian power to exist. Fascists only march in the streets under the threat of their own violence or police violence (redundant, I know). Fascists only maintain a presence on the web because of the inherent non-democratic structure of social communities existing on private webpages hosted on private servers. Without authoritarian protections, fascists will never be able to avoid this ostracism otherwise. The large social networks are businesses - once the profits associated with tolerating a fascist user-base are superseded by the profits lost, expect that user-base to be summarily banned.  Start their own social network, and they will be relegated to Stormfront-esque echo-chambers. Attempt to join the decentralized networks, and they will be widely deplatformed. Fascists will never be able to captivate a large audience without force, online or otherwise.

The anti-democratic state of the internet should be a cause of concern though. Even if you think that Twitter and Facebook banning Trump from posting on their networks was a good decision (I do), you should still be uncomfortable with massive corporate entities having that sort of unilateral power. It's not just fascists who get these bans - anything deemed unprofitable will be removed. Pretty much every single popular english-language anarchist media group I'm familiar with as been kicked off corporate social networks from Facebook to Patreon. So what's the solution?

I read in one of these discussions where the_ecstatic said we should nationalize these social networks, but I'm not  so sure that is the best solution. If Twitter and Facebook became something equivalent of public space with no private entity having the ability to remove us, we would still expect forms of censorship. I can hang out naked in my own yard and I can post nude selfies on the shroomery; but I can't go streaking through my local park, nor would I expect a government operated social network to be a free-for-all. We still have the problem of unilateral power of censorship; and although I trust the government more than private corporations, I don't trust government that much more.

Which brings me back to Mastodon and decentralized social networks. I'm not an expert in this technology but my understanding is that, instead of one website/server hosting the complete social network, anyone can create their own instance hosted on their own server but effectively communicate with everyone else in the Fediverse as if they were operating on a single network. With this setup, the power to unilaterally censor or ban doesn't exist - but the community is still able to effectively censor domains like Gab through a decentralized process similar to how most people at a gathering will eventually ignore the person ranting about anti-vax conspiracy.

Especially when we consider that the foundation of the internet is pretty anarchic. Unlike competing technologies of the day such as Token Ring, in which individual participants deferred to one another based on which one held all the power to speak at that time (the network’s “token” holder), Ethernet instead purposefully permitted any participating device to say anything on the network at any time it wanted. Collisions and conflicts were handled independently, by the individual devices creating the conflict through a simple set of rules, a process unmediated by external controllers. The anarchist approach proved simpler, more efficient, and ultimately more successful. P2P sharing is a good example of this anarchist nature fundamental to the internet.

I envision that a return to the decentralization of both the internet, and our real-life social networks, is the only real solution.


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The Internet as New Enclosure: Digitized Capitalism, the Attention Economy, and the Surveillance State

How we can win back the Internet by creating lowercase internets


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #27140194 - 01/10/21 04:59 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

People involved in the riot are being put on the no fly list

Enjoy these MAGA tears

https://twitter.com/rayredacted/status/1348388601118273537?s=21


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
    #27140223 - 01/10/21 05:19 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

150 federal buildings were vandalized during the George Floyd riots.  I wonder why none of those people were put on the no-fly list.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Billy Ray] * 3
    #27140229 - 01/10/21 05:20 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Because they weren’t trying to overthrow the government

You’re also making an assumption that they haven’t been


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] * 2
    #27140233 - 01/10/21 05:22 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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People involved in the riot are being put on the no fly list

Enjoy these MAGA tears

https://twitter.com/rayredacted/status/1348388601118273537?s=21






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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #27140790 - 01/10/21 09:06 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)


Man i feel like this guy got it right. And the footage they have of that lady getting shot... They let some cops out whonwere blocking the doors telling them that everyone hated them abd they supported them. Man. Fuck trumpanzees.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27140947 - 01/10/21 10:21 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I suspect the cops left because they were in danger of being crushed


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] * 1
    #27140955 - 01/10/21 10:24 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

They were in danger of being crushed, they also just walked away from their duties after the rioters literally TALKED THEM INTO IT...5 sec later Ashley Babbit was shot in the neck in the exact same spot they walked away from...what a stupid cunt


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] * 1
    #27140956 - 01/10/21 10:25 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Looks like alot of off duty cops flashed their badges at the Capital police, while storm the gates. Hope they track them down.


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