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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: 1234go] 1
#27137127 - 01/09/21 09:03 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Nope, he’s ANTIFA and BLM.
Nice try at being the antagonist, but you, and I both know that's ludicrous.
Funny how he makes claims and then refuses to interact further when called on his bullshit.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: bodhisatta]
#27137128 - 01/09/21 09:03 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: Shoot to kill isn't always the reason to shoot. I am pretty sure it is so also in the US. Many times wounding shots are used to disarm somebody like a drunk person or someone escaping.
Im aware youve seen that before and so have I. And those videos are used as what not to do training.
Youll have an instructor breaking those videos down explaining how absolutely stupid and potentially legally bad disarming shots are.
what's bad about them?
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: Ima Trooper]
#27137130 - 01/09/21 09:04 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Ima Trooper said:
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1234go said:
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lowbrow said:
Nope, he’s ANTIFA and BLM.
Nice try at being the antagonist, but you, and I both know that's ludicrous.
Funny how he makes claims and then refuses to interact further when called on his bullshit.
Seemed to me he was trolling.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: InnerWisdom]
#27137131 - 01/09/21 09:04 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: If that is so, it's just fucked up. Why shoot to kill always and not to disarm or inhibit further action
Because if and when you shoot it should be because the threat is bodily harm to you or bystanders. You don't shoot if you don't need to that simple. It's not a justified shot if it wasn't to kill because you can't shoot humans that are not an immediate threat
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: InnerWisdom]
#27137134 - 01/09/21 09:05 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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InnerWisdom said:
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InnerWisdom said: Shoot to kill isn't always the reason to shoot. I am pretty sure it is so also in the US. Many times wounding shots are used to disarm somebody like a drunk person or someone escaping.
Im aware youve seen that before and so have I. And those videos are used as what not to do training.
Youll have an instructor breaking those videos down explaining how absolutely stupid and potentially legally bad disarming shots are.
what's bad about them?
No legal justification.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: bodhisatta]
#27137137 - 01/09/21 09:06 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Once again that just explains the sad amount of people shot to death because of threat. Instead of wounding them on purpose so they can't attack or whatever
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: InnerWisdom] 1
#27137142 - 01/09/21 09:08 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: Once again that just explains the sad amount of people shot to death because of threat. Instead of wounding them on purpose so they can't attack or whatever
Let me put it this way. You never ever shoot a gun at someone to just injur them.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: InnerWisdom]
#27137143 - 01/09/21 09:08 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: Once again that just explains the sad amount of people shot to death because of threat. Instead of wounding them on purpose so they can't attack or whatever
The fact is that under stress, people are bad shots. That's why if you have to shoot someone, it should only be used as a last resort, and then you aim at center mass and shoot until the threat is gone.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: bodhisatta]
#27137146 - 01/09/21 09:11 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: Once again that just explains the sad amount of people shot to death because of threat. Instead of wounding them on purpose so they can't attack or whatever
Let me put it this way. You never ever shoot a gun at someone to just injur them.
That's a great way of putting it. A gun is a deadly weapon and should be never be treated as anything else. Beanbag rounds, rubber bullets, tasers, all are "less lethal" options, but if you are shooting a gun at someone, there should be no wiggle room in stopping the threat. If there is, you shouldn't be shooting them.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: Ima Trooper]
#27137148 - 01/09/21 09:12 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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A gunshot is always considered deadly force. You simply don't use it to injur or maim. You use it to kill.
You use a taser or baton or something else to disarm a threat that doesn't require deadly force. Never a gun.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: bodhisatta]
#27137151 - 01/09/21 09:13 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Diff'rent tools for diff'rent fools
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: Ima Trooper]
#27137154 - 01/09/21 09:14 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Yeah I get it. I suppose with other weapons like tazers and the like there is no need to use a gun for lesser threats than absolute.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: InnerWisdom]
#27137170 - 01/09/21 09:20 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Don't mean to hijack the thread, but why are American officers so fast to shoot people, not even talking about blacks, but everyone? Isn't using the gun the last resort?
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: InnerWisdom]
#27137190 - 01/09/21 09:28 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: Don't mean to hijack the thread, but why are American officers so fast to shoot people, not even talking about blacks, but everyone? Isn't using the gun the last resort?
Part of the reason is that there are a massive amount of guns here. The so-called "criminal element" is absolutely inundated with guns.
Another part is they know they almost certainly won't get in trouble no matter how fucked up their rationale for shooting someone is, and many get into the job because they want power over others.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: 1234go]
#27137199 - 01/09/21 09:29 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Sorry for misunderstanding you. So what exactly are you implying by saying an ANTIFA supporter, an "agent provocateur", was filming and egging on the crowd?
I’m saying exactly that. I’m not implying anything, I’m adding another element to kood’s video.
I just got done reading an article about an ANTIFA that filmed the inside of the capitol during the storming and I was thinking the video would of been memory holed by now. Hearing everybody talk about this 39 minute video posted by koods I thought to myself “no way, it couldn’t be” so I did a little research and sho nuff, it’s his (ANTIFA guy) video.
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Do you have any source besides you just typing that?
Sho do.
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/7/22219733/utah-activist-inside-u-s-capitol-says-woman-killed-was-first-to-try-and-enter-house-chamber-sullivan
https://www.unz.com/estriker/black-lives-matter-organizer-seen-entering-capitol-building-with-crowd-is-likely-an-fbi-agent-provocateur/
For further evidence the video channel of Jayden X links to Insurgence USA, the ANTIFA/BLM affiliated organization that is mentioned
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Fake news
Suck it.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: lowbrow] 1
#27137206 - 01/09/21 09:32 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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 For those of you who are coming out of the shadows to condemn and blame Trump for what happened....where were YOU when government buildings and private property were being looted, destroyed and burned down as the Democrats and fake media called them "peaceful protesters"? Where were YOU when historic markers, monuments and statues were defaced and destroyed? Where were YOU when Law enforcement officers were spit on, insulted, and stood helpless while being assaulted and brutally attacked, after being ordered by Democratic officials to "stand down"? Where were YOU when innocent people, including children and the elderly, were bullied, terrorized and assaulted?? Where were YOU when obvious mistruths, verbal attacks and insults to our President occurred??? Where were YOU as you became aware rules and numbers were altered to manipulate the outcome of our country's election??? 🇺🇸We The People 🇺🇸 are fed up and will no longer remain silent! We are not thugs and terrorists. We are farmers, factory workers, business owners, waiters, mothers, fathers. We are not willing to be bullied into silence as our country is overrun by corrupt officials while you foolishly stand by and refuse to stand up against obvious wrongs and crimes committed against the American people. This is not about Trump vs. Biden. This is not about Republicans vs. Democrats. This is about right vs wrong. This is about good vs. evil. Shame on anyone who stood by and closed your eyes to the Truth.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: lowbrow]
#27137226 - 01/09/21 09:42 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Ima Trooper said:
Sorry for misunderstanding you. So what exactly are you implying by saying an ANTIFA supporter, an "agent provocateur", was filming and egging on the crowd?
I’m saying exactly that. I’m not implying anything, I’m adding another element to kood’s video.
I just got done reading an article about an ANTIFA that filmed the inside of the capitol during the storming and I was thinking the video would of been memory holed by now. Hearing everybody talk about this 39 minute video posted by koods I thought to myself “no way, it couldn’t be” so I did a little research and sho nuff, it’s his (ANTIFA guy) video.
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Ima Trooper said:
Do you have any source besides you just typing that?
Sho do.
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/7/22219733/utah-activist-inside-u-s-capitol-says-woman-killed-was-first-to-try-and-enter-house-chamber-sullivan
https://www.unz.com/estriker/black-lives-matter-organizer-seen-entering-capitol-building-with-crowd-is-likely-an-fbi-agent-provocateur/
For further evidence the video channel of Jayden X links to Insurgence USA, the ANTIFA/BLM affiliated organization that is mentioned
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Fake news
Suck it.
He said he was saying those things in order to blend in, but I am also open to the possibility of him being a misled, willfully ignorant person like the rest of them.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: Ima Trooper]
#27137234 - 01/09/21 09:44 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: Seemed to me he was trolling.
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lowbrow said:
Nope, he’s ANTIFA and BLM.
Nice try at being the antagonist, but you, and I both know that's ludicrous.
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lowbrow said:
Nope, he’s ANTIFA and BLM.
Nice try at being the antagonist, but you, and I both know that's ludicrous.
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Ima Trooper said:
Funny how he makes claims and then refuses to interact further when called on his bullshit.
What’s that I’m hearing after all this shittalk? Sounds like fucking CRICKETS.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: Ima Trooper]
#27137237 - 01/09/21 09:46 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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I’d say he was blending in a little too good.
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Re: Senate currently being evacuated as protestors storm the capitol [Re: lowbrow]
#27137242 - 01/09/21 09:47 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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lowbrow said: I’d say he was blending in a little too good.
How can one blend in "too good" if blending in is the goal?
Again, I'm not above saying he's actually a shitstain like the rest of them. Maybe we're both right.
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