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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #27133484 - 01/07/21 05:22 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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i suppose its like having a near death experience nde if uve ever had one and feared for ur life or have been in similar such situations god forbid but they do happen or if uve ever been assaulted or had ur life threatened i suppose itz similar in a sense that is the experience of the super natural ghosts spirits wutever u want to call it them maybe itz related to ptsd maybe not who knows... but i do believe that feeling or wutever it is is like the same duh i mean can we actually perceive danger? that is the question can danger be perceived can it be proved??... ok maybe u dont believe in ghosts but do u believe that other people do believe in ghostz?... are they crazy for believing in what they believe in?... are you crazy? are u threatened do u feel sumthing? maybe itz a ghost maybe not




I believe those kinds of things are psychological phenomena etc. rather than supernatural.


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: psi] * 2
    #27133495 - 01/07/21 05:27 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

If yall want lessons on the paranormal.. I'm your guy.. the shyte I've experienced is utterly unbelievable.

I hold multiple pages online now about the paranormal, how it functions, and how to dive deep into the workings of it.  It truly is absolutely fascinating!


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: zZZz] * 2
    #27133545 - 01/07/21 05:49 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

I'd like to believe in ghosts. Sounds like it would open some interesting doors if they existed. Maybe you could save your soul and put it in a machine or something wacky like that.

But I've never heard a convincing ghost story... Most are comically bad. Like "I woke up at 3am and saw a shadowy figure... My grandma just died so I knew it was her".  Like bruh... Reality is a hallucination. The closer you are to sleeping the stranger your perception gets, to the point of literal hallucinations.

You don't even have to be sleepy! Sometimes people just straight up hallucinate for various reasons.

To believe something just because of personal experience is in direct opposition to science. Our perceptions are flawed. Our intuitions are flawed. Science help us determine what is real and what is imagined, this is why no self respecting scientist will take ghost talk seriously.


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: psi]
    #27133595 - 01/07/21 06:09 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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zZZz said:
i suppose its like having a near death experience nde if uve ever had one and feared for ur life or have been in similar such situations god forbid but they do happen or if uve ever been assaulted or had ur life threatened i suppose itz similar in a sense that is the experience of the super natural ghosts spirits wutever u want to call it them maybe itz related to ptsd maybe not who knows... but i do believe that feeling or wutever it is is like the same duh i mean can we actually perceive danger? that is the question can danger be perceived can it be proved??... ok maybe u dont believe in ghosts but do u believe that other people do believe in ghostz?... are they crazy for believing in what they believe in?... are you crazy? are u threatened do u feel sumthing? maybe itz a ghost maybe not




I believe those kinds of things are psychological phenomena etc. rather than supernatural.




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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: tripp23]
    #27133602 - 01/07/21 06:13 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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tripp23 said:
If yall want lessons on the paranormal.. I'm your guy.. the shyte I've experienced is utterly unbelievable.

I hold multiple pages online now about the paranormal, how it functions, and how to dive deep into the workings of it.  It truly is absolutely fascinating!




please do tell!!!!!!! :heart:

can we start off by asking u a question or two or three :tongue:

if so... when'z the last time u experienced sumthing paranormal


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: Ezuma]
    #27133640 - 01/07/21 06:28 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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do u believe in luv???... at first sight????

like when i first laid eyez on cookiecrumbz i knew she was da one right there and there :heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart:


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: 1234go] * 1
    #27133672 - 01/07/21 06:39 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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RobZombie68 said:
Once you experience something, you can't deny it.

Many will debate, but it is up to the individual who had the experience of what to believe.




Not sure I trust my perception as objective man. In fact I know I can't trust my perception, the shit I have seen and the places I have been, the crushing reality that I am a malleable lens that has a shifting focus and a selective memory.

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But it's not real.










Possibly.

Though I continue existing whether or not I believe I am real, so I probably am.


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #27134298 - 01/08/21 12:10 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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I believe in spirits, I believe in astral projection, I believe in the innate distinct energy emitted by a human being (and likely other forms of life.)

I believe people can sometimes see these things.

But I also believe alot of what people believe are ghosts are a trick of the mind. I imagine most people here have seen shadow people. And given the circumstances involved it's likely more often our brains tripping out in those situations.




This is well said. There's a ton of shit happening and it's very rare that you could really "prove" it's one phenomena over another.

We know EMF will make you feel paranoid/like you're feeling watched.


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27134359 - 01/08/21 01:14 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

No, we don't know that Loaded Shaman. It's no more a thing than chemtrails.


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #27134452 - 01/08/21 04:12 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Luckily we have technology to further our proof of the paranormal. Take EVPs for example or Electronic Voice Phenomenon. Voices come on digital recordings that are relevent to the question a person asks. Most of these voices sound like a raspy whisper. This isnt some glitch of the hardware. Its spirits speaking thru the device somehow.

Same with Spirit Boxes. Spirit Boxes skip thru FM radio frequencies at very high speeds such as a quaryer second per radio frequency so all u hear is tiny snippets of the radio and static "ah-ee-oo-err-uhh" etc. However, spirits can speak thru these multiple FM radio waves and u can hear their voice with tone and complete words, sometimes even short sentences. Its really incredible and its impossible for random radio stations to make these voices like this. A lot of times the voices are very hard to understand but the best ones, called Grade A EVPs, u can hear the voice very clearly.

According to the book Pleiadian Prophecy 2020, by 2022, the majority of humans will be contacted by spirit beings in one way or another. And it will be a glorious time for Humans as we reconnect back to the spirit world that was always there.

Also in the book, in the future, technology and spirituality will merge together and at that moment, everything will change for Humanity.


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 4
    #27134828 - 01/08/21 09:58 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Those things aren't proofs, they are assertions. The work is ahead of you.

EVP: you hear a voice through a device. How did you determine it was a ghost? You didn't. You just decided it was a ghost. This is called an argument from ignorance; I don't know how this thing (EVP) could have happened, therefore I'm going to assert that I know what it was (ghosts) without proof.


Never heard of spirit boxes, but the way you describe them doesn't sound very convincing... You skip through people talking and hear full sentences occasionally... So what? That happens when I skip a movie sometimes. What does that have to do with ghosts and how did you determine that the two are connected?

On another note, have either of these phenomenon produced anything useful? Like what do these "ghosts" say? That your dead grandma loves you? When are the ghosts going to say something useful like how to build a warp drive or how to fix our government or something. Ghosts should be great at exposing government secrets.

Alas, I hope spirituality and technology mix. To me, that would just mean spirituality finally being understood through the lense of science, not this wishy washy "it's real because I believe it."


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27134903 - 01/08/21 10:45 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
Luckily we have technology to further our proof of the paranormal. Take EVPs for example or Electronic Voice Phenomenon. Voices come on digital recordings that are relevent to the question a person asks. Most of these voices sound like a raspy whisper. This isnt some glitch of the hardware. Its spirits speaking thru the device somehow.

Same with Spirit Boxes. Spirit Boxes skip thru FM radio frequencies at very high speeds such as a quaryer second per radio frequency so all u hear is tiny snippets of the radio and static "ah-ee-oo-err-uhh" etc. However, spirits can speak thru these multiple FM radio waves and u can hear their voice with tone and complete words, sometimes even short sentences. Its really incredible and its impossible for random radio stations to make these voices like this. A lot of times the voices are very hard to understand but the best ones, called Grade A EVPs, u can hear the voice very clearly.

According to the book Pleiadian Prophecy 2020, by 2022, the majority of humans will be contacted by spirit beings in one way or another. And it will be a glorious time for Humans as we reconnect back to the spirit world that was always there.

Also in the book, in the future, technology and spirituality will merge together and at that moment, everything will change for Humanity.




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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: zZZz]
    #27134920 - 01/08/21 10:54 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

No


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #27134937 - 01/08/21 11:01 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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zZZz said:
i suppose its like having a near death experience nde if uve ever had one and feared for ur life or have been in similar such situations god forbid but they do happen or if uve ever been assaulted or had ur life threatened i suppose itz similar in a sense that is the experience of the super natural ghosts spirits wutever u want to call it them maybe itz related to ptsd maybe not who knows... but i do believe that feeling or wutever it is is like the same duh i mean can we actually perceive danger? that is the question can danger be perceived can it be proved??... ok maybe u dont believe in ghosts but do u believe that other people do believe in ghostz?... are they crazy for believing in what they believe in?... are you crazy? are u threatened do u feel sumthing? maybe itz a ghost maybe not




I believe those kinds of things are psychological phenomena etc. rather than supernatural.




Go on.




The brain is a pattern-finding machine. So much so that it can "find" patterns that are not really there.

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Pareidolia (/pɛraɪˈdoʊliə/,[1] /pɛriː-/[2]) is the tendency for incorrect perception of a stimulus as an object, pattern or meaning known to the observer, such as seeing shapes in clouds, seeing faces in inanimate objects or abstract patterns, or hearing hidden messages in music.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: psi]
    #27135024 - 01/08/21 11:30 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

i disagree with everything uve said so far none of it makes any sense i’m sorry


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: zZZz]
    #27135059 - 01/08/21 11:40 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

So you disagree that the brain is a pattern finding machine and that it can find patterns that are not really there? I don't know what to tell you then.


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: psi] * 4
    #27135099 - 01/08/21 11:56 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

confirmation bias + belief perseverance

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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: zZZz]
    #27135282 - 01/08/21 01:24 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Hell nah.  I ain't no fool.


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: Svetaketu] * 1
    #27135570 - 01/08/21 03:43 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Those things aren't proofs, they are assertions. The work is ahead of you.

EVP: you hear a voice through a device. How did you determine it was a ghost? You didn't. You just decided it was a ghost. This is called an argument from ignorance; I don't know how this thing (EVP) could have happened, therefore I'm going to assert that I know what it was (ghosts) without proof.


Never heard of spirit boxes, but the way you describe them doesn't sound very convincing... You skip through people talking and hear full sentences occasionally... So what? That happens when I skip a movie sometimes. What does that have to do with ghosts and how did you determine that the two are connected?

On another note, have either of these phenomenon produced anything useful? Like what do these "ghosts" say? That your dead grandma loves you? When are the ghosts going to say something useful like how to build a warp drive or how to fix our government or something. Ghosts should be great at exposing government secrets.

Alas, I hope spirituality and technology mix. To me, that would just mean spirituality finally being understood through the lense of science, not this wishy washy "it's real because I believe it."




One way to determine its a ghost or not is to try to record EVPs in non-haunted locations (like your house for example). You will find that nothing shows up, just silence. Indirect cause and effect.

Yes, there is no direct evidence of ghosts because its paranormal in nature.

Here's a simple example of the Spirit Box:


At 0:06, there is a male voice saying something at a face-pace, something like "One-more-time" (i think). U can see how the device skips over each radio frequency at a fast-pace as indicated by the LCD screen on the spirit box.

Another example:


You shouldnt hear full words from the Spirit Box because its skipping thru FM or AM Radio frequencies at such a high rate. It should only be clips of voices/music/ads from radio stations yet full words are being heard. These full words of the same vocal tone is said to be spirits speaking. And I believe it is spirits speaking due to the context of what the person is saying with what the spirit box is recording.

Typical scan rate (sweep rate) is between 200 and 500 milliseconds: http://www.liparanormalinvestigators.com/the-equipment-we-use/p-sb7-spirit-box/


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Re: Do yall believe in ghostz?. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #27136088 - 01/08/21 07:09 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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One way to determine its a ghost or not is to try to record EVPs in non-haunted locations (like your house for example). You will find that nothing shows up, just silence. Indirect cause and effect.




This is an absurd argument. If I tried to record an EVP in my house and I DID hear something, you would just tell me my house is haunted. This isn't a test, it's confirmation bias at its finest.

These two videos appear to me to be textbook examples of Pareidolia.


Again, the "messages" heard are complete gibberish. Apparently, as soon as people become ghosts they have no interest in conveying convincingly that they exist.


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