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Oat seeds as spawn?
    #27129644 - 01/06/21 03:55 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Hi there every one
I just bought these as oat but i think these are oat seeds
So can i use these for spawn???
If yes any tek advice...?
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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Hardani]
    #27129649 - 01/06/21 03:59 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Hi, I'm no expert but these do look like the oat spawn I've seen in other pictures here
They're referred to as whole oats, whereas what we'd use for cooking or baking are rolled oats

For technical advice, if you click 'search our forums' in blue and use the search there you will find all sorts
Bods Easy AF teks are a good place to start, or just search 'oat grain Spawn'

I'm assuming like me you're fairly new to this, so sorry if the information I've provided is above is too basic or brief, but I'm sure one of the gurus will be along shortly to confirm for you

All the best

LCrow

Edit: because work sucks and I'm considering using oat spawn in the future so I went looking myself, see a Tek linked here for you

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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: LCrow]
    #27129668 - 01/06/21 04:29 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Thank you my friend
For info and link
I hope you have a happy and safe growing


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Hardani]
    #27129679 - 01/06/21 04:48 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I believe u have to dehusk those oat seeds before using them. But yeah, oats are a great grain to use.


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27129716 - 01/06/21 05:24 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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I believe u have to dehusk those oat seeds before using them. But yeah, oats are a great grain to use.




Dehusk them? Why so?

I really hope that is not necessary to use them for grain spawns, otherwise I would have a lot of work to do to process my 25kg :eek:

Btw. I have ground my oats roughly and used it as a substitute for BRF in PF-Tek it works just fine too


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Shroombitz]
    #27129738 - 01/06/21 05:44 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Because the husk part isnt very nutritious. U want mycelium feeding off the seed, not the outer husk.



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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Shroombitz]
    #27129750 - 01/06/21 05:53 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

i regularly use oats as grain spawn, and those are fine, you don't need to dehusk them, in fact, that would ruin them. they're great grain spawn though, just as good as millet or rye berry. I just let them sit in simmering (not boiling) water until I can pick them up and squish them with relative ease. They take longer to dry than normal grain though, so after you hydrate them, make sure to let them sit out an dry until they are at the appropriate texture and when u touch them ur hand doesn't get wet, but they are still pretty easy to break with your fingernail.


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27129842 - 01/06/21 07:53 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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Because the husk part isnt very nutritious. U want mycelium feeding off the seed, not the outer husk.






Oh wow, I thought the husk is the best part of it ^.^

Well, I guess, I just gonna use a higher spawn to coir ratio then :grin:


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: ChocolateStarfish]
    #27129844 - 01/06/21 07:55 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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i regularly use oats as grain spawn, and those are fine, you don't need to dehusk them, in fact, that would ruin them. they're great grain spawn though, just as good as millet or rye berry. I just let them sit in simmering (not boiling) water until I can pick them up and squish them with relative ease. They take longer to dry than normal grain though, so after you hydrate them, make sure to let them sit out an dry until they are at the appropriate texture and when u touch them ur hand doesn't get wet, but they are still pretty easy to break with your fingernail.




That's good to know, I soon want to prepare a batch of oats, right after I got rid of my popcorn and get some free jars :stoned:


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Shroombitz]
    #27129862 - 01/06/21 08:17 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

it is pretty much non-nutritional, its just dehusking them will make it turn to basically oatmeal when you go to hydrate it... except it will be a lot more gelatin like lol. Good luck. I actually prefer a mixture of different grains in my jars/mycobags. I typically make a mixture consisting of between 30% to 50% oats, and then i put equal amounts of chopped millet sprays, rye berry, rye grass seed, and i cut up a bunch of hay or straw and put it all together. I hydrate them all separate, save for the rye-grass seed, millet sprays and hay or straw which is a huge pain in the ass, but when I use that mixture as grain spawn, I get the most unbelievable colonization times. Give it a shot someday, you'll see what I mean.
Good luck with your oat spawn! you are making a huge upgrade switching from popcorn.


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: ChocolateStarfish]
    #27129872 - 01/06/21 08:27 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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it is pretty much non-nutritional, its just dehusking them will make it turn to basically oatmeal when you go to hydrate it... except it will be a lot more gelatin like lol. Good luck. I actually prefer a mixture of different grains in my jars/mycobags. I typically make a mixture consisting of between 30% to 50% oats, and then i put equal amounts of chopped millet sprays, rye berry, rye grass seed, and i cut up a bunch of hay or straw and put it all together. I hydrate them all separate, save for the rye-grass seed, millet sprays and hay or straw which is a huge pain in the ass, but when I use that mixture as grain spawn, I get the most unbelievable colonization times. Give it a shot someday, you'll see what I mean.
Good luck with your oat spawn! you are making a huge upgrade switching from popcorn.




Cheers man, popcorn was just so easily available, so I bought a kilo :grin:

I would have bought WBS, but they put all kinds of other shit, like raisin and others sugar-kind-of stuff, in there here in Europe :rolleyes:

But maybe mixing the oats would be nice to try, I just got a bag of corse sawdust, intended to use for lion mane, could that work for cubes to? ^^


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Shroombitz]
    #27129902 - 01/06/21 09:00 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Very similar to the oat I use and it works great. Good luck!


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #27129905 - 01/06/21 09:12 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Those are regular oats. Oats are a seed. All cereal grains are seeds.

@logic- no, you do not have to dehull oats. Those oats will likely work fine as long
as they are not sprayed with any fungicides. If they were meant to be planted then
they might be sprayed. If they were sold as horse food then theyre fine


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #27129933 - 01/06/21 09:36 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24126032

Yes please don’t try to de husk them. You need the husk, or they would just turn to mush. Nothing wrong with a hard boil either. Follow bods oat prep tek. Oats are popular because A) They work B) they are easy to prep C) They are cheap.

I believe even if they are sprayed with fungicide as long as you are using live mycelium it should still work (not spores to grain, but you shouldn’t be doing that anyway). Ideally you don’t want fungicide because its fucking nasty.


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Dr.Sparkle]
    #27129943 - 01/06/21 09:44 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I bought a bag of unrolled dehulled oats once, and they turned to mush.  The ones you have will work fine as they are.
As far as the sawdust goes, cubes are not really wood lovers.  There are some very old threads of people using sawdust as a sub for cubes, but that was way back when people were just starting to figure it out.  Just spawn the grain to coir.  Also if your buying that grain at a grocery store your probably paying as much for 1 kilo as you would for 40 at a feed store. 


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Land Trout]
    #27129972 - 01/06/21 10:05 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I got a load of super nasty dirty as could be oats recently. My normal supplier was out of the good 3x cleaned ones. Think this batch is going to be Oyster only oats as oysters are so agressive.
Ya want 3x cleaned whole oats for race horses with the hulls intact.
I have been experimenting with intentionally mixing a low percentage of hulled grain (millet &/or oats) in to my spawn mixes to replicate burst grain.
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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Shroombitz]
    #27129982 - 01/06/21 10:11 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

TBH I think the sawdust may work for cubes, but you really wasnt manure when it comes to cubensis, increases potency and yield a decent bit. Coir has no nutrients so spawning to coir isn't an optimal idea for cubensis which is a dung lover. If you want optimal results for cubensis, treat them like you would a panaeolus cyanescens grow.


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: ChocolateStarfish]
    #27130004 - 01/06/21 10:23 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Cubes do just fine on coir. All of the nutrition comes from the grain.

You can case straight grain in a tray with verm and get a decent amount of mushrooms.
Obviously not an optimal method but my point is that poo has not at all been
shown to be a better sub for cubes than coir.

You say it increases potency but can I see some peer review or some evidence that you
have to show this is a fact cause I highly doubt it. Ive grown killer potent
shrooms on coir verm and I've grown weak shrooms on poo.

Back when I first started I used poo, coir, verm, gypsum, and coffee quite regularly and
have since abandoned that recipe cause it's useless when coir/verm does the same thing with almost 0 effort by comparison.


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: ChocolateStarfish]
    #27130009 - 01/06/21 10:24 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I agree and think that it makes little to no difference for cubensis. If your going to treat it like a pan cyan grow then grow pan cyan. The extra effort to make a dung substrate, when you can get coir, throw it in your tub add verm and some hot water and boom substrate is ready, why bother? Also for a novice the chances of fucking up a dung substrate are much higher than with coir. Many many people can get great results from coir, no need for dung in 2021. Unless you like making extra work for yourself and want to pasteurize a substrate?

Pick your coir wisely most is fine, I did have some issues with some really shitty coir this year. It contained alot of rocks, soil and debris. Eco earth bricks are widely used for coir substrate.

Don’t  mix grains also extra work, all this extra work leaves less time to trip balls.

Eats Coir tek
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=26216702&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#26216702


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Dr.Sparkle]
    #27130034 - 01/06/21 10:35 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I used to mix grains also. Mixed wheat with wbs for a while then eventually phased out the wbs completely.

Using wbs masters to wheat expansion jars is cool though. Lots of innoc points for quick colonization of the wheat.

Havent done it like that in a while though cause wbs is twice as expensive as wheat where I'm at.


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #27130067 - 01/06/21 10:49 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Somehow I don't feel the rush to cook poo at home :crazy2:

Cooking some saw dust actually does sound kinda appealing, but would it help or hinder cubes in a mix with oats?


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #27130075 - 01/06/21 10:51 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I dont have any evidence. do you have evidence that they come out with similar potencies? have you done an alkaloid analysis on cubensis from coir and then from manure? I have a lot of experience and have done both many times, and many others with much more experience than me. Also cubensis grows on manure in the wild, so it is a common assumption that it prefers a manure based substrate. Though, in favor of your arguement, manure typically consists a good majority of grain.
And you treat cubensis like pan cyans because they are both dung lovers that grow in the same environment and treating a cube like cyans will make sure that a noob is giving it optimal conditions. But evidently you are much smarter than I

Edit: I am being kinda bitchy here so let me fix what I was trying to say. I have grown very potent mushrooms on just grain, so if it does increase the potency, it is probably pretty minimal, but it does increase yield and even reduces chances of contamination to your substrate when properly pasteurized. There are quite a few benefits to using manure, but potency is not really a big factor in choosing manure of coir.


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Shroombitz]
    #27130085 - 01/06/21 10:57 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Manure isn't REQUIRED with cubensis like it is with panaeolus cyanescens, but it is preferred, as many of the tried and true cultivators around here will tell you. And yeah pasteurizing manure isn't the most appealing thing to do in your home, so in that regard, coir is probably preferable. Really you can do a lot without manure when working with cubensis, it is FAR from a necessity, though if you are trying to do a bulk grow, it is definitely the way to go. If you are PF teking it, then don't worry about it.


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: ChocolateStarfish]
    #27130132 - 01/06/21 11:16 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Still don’t agree if you were doing bulk then you are multiplying extra work and making even more work. Which could add up to a ton of extra work. Even if it did boost yield? It dosnt mean it is better, as the extra work might not be worth the extra yield. 

I think telling a novice to treat a pan like a cube is still misleading. Yes they require similar conditions but you wouldn’t follow a cube tek for a pan grow, or a pan for a cube grow. As you said a cube has no requirement for manure.

Its up to the original poster anyway, maybe he/she/it/zig/A wants to play around and see for themselves which I would say go right ahead and see. Report back here with the findings. Because alot of what has been said is unproven for sure. But the general opinion  would be stick with coir, why make life harder?


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: ChocolateStarfish]
    #27130177 - 01/06/21 11:35 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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I dont have any evidence. do you have evidence that they come out with similar potencies? have you done an alkaloid analysis on cubensis from coir and then from manure? I have a lot of experience and have done both many times, and many others with much more experience than me. Also cubensis grows on manure in the wild, so it is a common assumption that it prefers a manure based substrate. Though, in favor of your arguement, manure typically consists a good majority of grain.
And you treat cubensis like pan cyans because they are both dung lovers that grow in the same environment and treating a cube like cyans will make sure that a noob is giving it optimal conditions. But evidently you are much smarter than I

Edit: I am being kinda bitchy here so let me fix what I was trying to say. I have grown very potent mushrooms on just grain, so if it does increase the potency, it is probably pretty minimal, but it does increase yield and even reduces chances of contamination to your substrate when properly pasteurized. There are quite a few benefits to using manure, but potency is not really a big factor in choosing manure of coir.



Ya I'm not the one making a claim, you are. The burden of proof is on your shoulders, since again, you are the one making a claim.

What I'm doing is called doubting your claim, which is based on 0 evidence, and going on many years
of my own anecdotal experience combined with that of many other cultivators who I trust.


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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #27131790 - 01/06/21 09:40 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I’m no scientist, but I know I can grow a shit ton of cubes that will blast me and my friends and more off of grain and coir that cost $1 per pound, and no idea how much time it would take me to walk a field and collect enough grassy horse manure, that I would still have to process to make a usable sub out of.  As far as your grain I’m pretty sure they all are good, I’ve used wheat, popcorn, rye, and oats.  I like oats as I can get them from a feed store they are cheap and I’m familiar with them.  I’m sure barly, and triticale probably spelt would work just as good.  Focus on what you can get easily.  Like if I had horses, sure I’d use h-poo, and if I lived in wheat country, I guess I’d use wheat.


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