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Hardani



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Oat seeds as spawn?
#27129644 - 01/06/21 03:55 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Hi there every one I just bought these as oat but i think these are oat seeds So can i use these for spawn??? If yes any tek advice...? and thanks
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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Hardani]
#27129649 - 01/06/21 03:59 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Hi, I'm no expert but these do look like the oat spawn I've seen in other pictures here They're referred to as whole oats, whereas what we'd use for cooking or baking are rolled oats
For technical advice, if you click 'search our forums' in blue and use the search there you will find all sorts Bods Easy AF teks are a good place to start, or just search 'oat grain Spawn'
I'm assuming like me you're fairly new to this, so sorry if the information I've provided is above is too basic or brief, but I'm sure one of the gurus will be along shortly to confirm for you
All the best
LCrow
Edit: because work sucks and I'm considering using oat spawn in the future so I went looking myself, see a Tek linked here for you
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21121313
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Hardani



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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: LCrow]
#27129668 - 01/06/21 04:29 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Thank you my friend For info and link I hope you have a happy and safe growing
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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Hardani]
#27129679 - 01/06/21 04:48 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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I believe u have to dehusk those oat seeds before using them. But yeah, oats are a great grain to use.
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Shroombitz
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LogicaL Chaos said: I believe u have to dehusk those oat seeds before using them. But yeah, oats are a great grain to use.
Dehusk them? Why so?
I really hope that is not necessary to use them for grain spawns, otherwise I would have a lot of work to do to process my 25kg 
Btw. I have ground my oats roughly and used it as a substitute for BRF in PF-Tek it works just fine too
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Because the husk part isnt very nutritious. U want mycelium feeding off the seed, not the outer husk.
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i regularly use oats as grain spawn, and those are fine, you don't need to dehusk them, in fact, that would ruin them. they're great grain spawn though, just as good as millet or rye berry. I just let them sit in simmering (not boiling) water until I can pick them up and squish them with relative ease. They take longer to dry than normal grain though, so after you hydrate them, make sure to let them sit out an dry until they are at the appropriate texture and when u touch them ur hand doesn't get wet, but they are still pretty easy to break with your fingernail.
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Shroombitz
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LogicaL Chaos said: Because the husk part isnt very nutritious. U want mycelium feeding off the seed, not the outer husk.

Oh wow, I thought the husk is the best part of it ^.^
Well, I guess, I just gonna use a higher spawn to coir ratio then
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ChocolateStarfish said: i regularly use oats as grain spawn, and those are fine, you don't need to dehusk them, in fact, that would ruin them. they're great grain spawn though, just as good as millet or rye berry. I just let them sit in simmering (not boiling) water until I can pick them up and squish them with relative ease. They take longer to dry than normal grain though, so after you hydrate them, make sure to let them sit out an dry until they are at the appropriate texture and when u touch them ur hand doesn't get wet, but they are still pretty easy to break with your fingernail.
That's good to know, I soon want to prepare a batch of oats, right after I got rid of my popcorn and get some free jars
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it is pretty much non-nutritional, its just dehusking them will make it turn to basically oatmeal when you go to hydrate it... except it will be a lot more gelatin like lol. Good luck. I actually prefer a mixture of different grains in my jars/mycobags. I typically make a mixture consisting of between 30% to 50% oats, and then i put equal amounts of chopped millet sprays, rye berry, rye grass seed, and i cut up a bunch of hay or straw and put it all together. I hydrate them all separate, save for the rye-grass seed, millet sprays and hay or straw which is a huge pain in the ass, but when I use that mixture as grain spawn, I get the most unbelievable colonization times. Give it a shot someday, you'll see what I mean. Good luck with your oat spawn! you are making a huge upgrade switching from popcorn.
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Shroombitz
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ChocolateStarfish said: it is pretty much non-nutritional, its just dehusking them will make it turn to basically oatmeal when you go to hydrate it... except it will be a lot more gelatin like lol. Good luck. I actually prefer a mixture of different grains in my jars/mycobags. I typically make a mixture consisting of between 30% to 50% oats, and then i put equal amounts of chopped millet sprays, rye berry, rye grass seed, and i cut up a bunch of hay or straw and put it all together. I hydrate them all separate, save for the rye-grass seed, millet sprays and hay or straw which is a huge pain in the ass, but when I use that mixture as grain spawn, I get the most unbelievable colonization times. Give it a shot someday, you'll see what I mean. Good luck with your oat spawn! you are making a huge upgrade switching from popcorn.
Cheers man, popcorn was just so easily available, so I bought a kilo 
I would have bought WBS, but they put all kinds of other shit, like raisin and others sugar-kind-of stuff, in there here in Europe 
But maybe mixing the oats would be nice to try, I just got a bag of corse sawdust, intended to use for lion mane, could that work for cubes to? ^^
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Very similar to the oat I use and it works great. Good luck!
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Re: Oat seeds as spawn? [Re: Frrrunkis]
#27129905 - 01/06/21 09:12 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Those are regular oats. Oats are a seed. All cereal grains are seeds.
@logic- no, you do not have to dehull oats. Those oats will likely work fine as long as they are not sprayed with any fungicides. If they were meant to be planted then they might be sprayed. If they were sold as horse food then theyre fine
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24126032
Yes please don’t try to de husk them. You need the husk, or they would just turn to mush. Nothing wrong with a hard boil either. Follow bods oat prep tek. Oats are popular because A) They work B) they are easy to prep C) They are cheap.
I believe even if they are sprayed with fungicide as long as you are using live mycelium it should still work (not spores to grain, but you shouldn’t be doing that anyway). Ideally you don’t want fungicide because its fucking nasty.
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I bought a bag of unrolled dehulled oats once, and they turned to mush. The ones you have will work fine as they are. As far as the sawdust goes, cubes are not really wood lovers. There are some very old threads of people using sawdust as a sub for cubes, but that was way back when people were just starting to figure it out. Just spawn the grain to coir. Also if your buying that grain at a grocery store your probably paying as much for 1 kilo as you would for 40 at a feed store.
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I got a load of super nasty dirty as could be oats recently. My normal supplier was out of the good 3x cleaned ones. Think this batch is going to be Oyster only oats as oysters are so agressive. Ya want 3x cleaned whole oats for race horses with the hulls intact. I have been experimenting with intentionally mixing a low percentage of hulled grain (millet &/or oats) in to my spawn mixes to replicate burst grain. In its infancy & if I find something good I will share.
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TBH I think the sawdust may work for cubes, but you really wasnt manure when it comes to cubensis, increases potency and yield a decent bit. Coir has no nutrients so spawning to coir isn't an optimal idea for cubensis which is a dung lover. If you want optimal results for cubensis, treat them like you would a panaeolus cyanescens grow.
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Cubes do just fine on coir. All of the nutrition comes from the grain.
You can case straight grain in a tray with verm and get a decent amount of mushrooms. Obviously not an optimal method but my point is that poo has not at all been shown to be a better sub for cubes than coir.
You say it increases potency but can I see some peer review or some evidence that you have to show this is a fact cause I highly doubt it. Ive grown killer potent shrooms on coir verm and I've grown weak shrooms on poo.
Back when I first started I used poo, coir, verm, gypsum, and coffee quite regularly and have since abandoned that recipe cause it's useless when coir/verm does the same thing with almost 0 effort by comparison.
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I agree and think that it makes little to no difference for cubensis. If your going to treat it like a pan cyan grow then grow pan cyan. The extra effort to make a dung substrate, when you can get coir, throw it in your tub add verm and some hot water and boom substrate is ready, why bother? Also for a novice the chances of fucking up a dung substrate are much higher than with coir. Many many people can get great results from coir, no need for dung in 2021. Unless you like making extra work for yourself and want to pasteurize a substrate?
Pick your coir wisely most is fine, I did have some issues with some really shitty coir this year. It contained alot of rocks, soil and debris. Eco earth bricks are widely used for coir substrate.
Don’t mix grains also extra work, all this extra work leaves less time to trip balls.
Eats Coir tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=26216702&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#26216702
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I used to mix grains also. Mixed wheat with wbs for a while then eventually phased out the wbs completely.
Using wbs masters to wheat expansion jars is cool though. Lots of innoc points for quick colonization of the wheat.
Havent done it like that in a while though cause wbs is twice as expensive as wheat where I'm at.
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