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Democrats win control of US Senate *It’s official* 2
#27129414 - 01/05/21 10:31 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Decision Desk HQ projects Democrats to take control of the Senate (50D-50R) with VP Kamala Harris casting the tie breaking vote. Called at 2:14AM EST 01.06.21 All Results:
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
#27129443 - 01/05/21 10:49 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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From what I see it looks like a split. Warnock will win and Perdue will win.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: christopera]
#27129452 - 01/05/21 10:52 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Fulton and Dekalb are the majority of votes left, ossoff is expected to gain at least 11,000 votes.
20,000 votes left in dekalb with an 80% - 20% democrat advantage
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
#27129454 - 01/05/21 10:54 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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That sounds great, but why not just wait until it's official? Another 12 hours surely doesn't make much of a difference.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: christopera]
#27129458 - 01/05/21 10:56 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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What do you mean?
Too early to call? Nah. It’s a mathematical certainty.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods] 1
#27129464 - 01/05/21 10:59 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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You created a thread that says the Dems won control and then backed it up with speculation.
Not trying to be a jerk here, but you could have waited a few minutes.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: christopera]
#27129488 - 01/05/21 11:16 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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I don’t think you’re using the word speculation correctly
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods] 1
#27129490 - 01/05/21 11:19 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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koods said: I don’t think you’re using the word speculation correctly

I'd love for two Dem seats, but you are being optimistic.
I should paste that link for confirmation bias that I pasted for Chop earlier. You two need to figure out what it means to believe.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: christopera]
#27129495 - 01/05/21 11:23 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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What confirmation bias? There are ~25,000 votes outstanding, all in counties that are leaning 60-85% democrat. Speculation would be saying that somehow these votes wouldn’t give ossoff enough votes ro win.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
#27129512 - 01/05/21 11:45 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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*looks here* *looks at election results* *looks here* ....
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Lynnch]
#27129522 - 01/05/21 11:52 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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1/3 of the remaining vote in Dekalb just came in and ossoff is now leading by 3,500 votes.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods] 2
#27129524 - 01/05/21 11:54 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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I hope Ossoff wins by 11,780 votes.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
#27129546 - 01/06/21 12:27 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Ossoff up by 10,000 now.
Donald Trump destroyed the Republican Party. 2017 they controlled the house, Senate and White House and they lost them all.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods] 1
#27129599 - 01/06/21 02:00 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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I, for one, hope the dems win! Have been a lifelong libertarian with republican leanings but the last 4 years have been a resounding embarrassment.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Ratt1122]
#27129732 - 01/06/21 05:40 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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I can't say how refreshing this feels. Not just because Weed will almost certainly be decriminalized (am i being too optimistic?), but mostly to shove this shit in the face of the asshole hillbillies ranting and raving about Trumps dumb ass for the last 4 years.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: metalfaith] 2
#27129870 - 01/06/21 08:26 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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I gotta eat some crow on this one, really thought the idea that GOP turnout would be this depressed was overblown and that the incumbents (at least one of them) would hold on.
Biggest surprise to me was that Warnock outpaced Ossof’s vote totals. After the red baiting and the “he cares about Palestinians” smears I would’ve guessed it would hurt him, but black turnout went through the roof compared to November.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27129888 - 01/06/21 08:44 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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The push to get people out to vote this year was real. I received texts, emails, hand written letters almost everyday reminding me. But yeah koods is right, once it came down to counting up remaining votes in metro area it was good as done for republicans.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
#27129899 - 01/06/21 08:58 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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You called it, Koods.
Credit where it’s due and all that shit.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: christopera] 1
#27130055 - 01/06/21 10:43 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Right on cue, the “moderates” are beating back expectations:

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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#27130581 - 01/06/21 02:01 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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The Elite win control of US Senate and the Status Quo wins once again.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: qman]
#27130662 - 01/06/21 02:28 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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All the networks have just called the race for ossoff
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods] 1
#27132577 - 01/07/21 10:08 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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So now for the next two years Biden has:
- The most electoral votes - The electoral college's votes - House majority - Senate majority - The Presidency
If that doesn't bring universal healthcare or any other big ticket items into law, the Democrats are as useless as the Republicans.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Patlal] 4
#27132582 - 01/07/21 10:10 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Biden already said he’d veto M4A. Ossof is against it. The Speaker of the House won’t even bring it to a vote.
How many different ways do the Democrats need to prove they’re useless?
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27132588 - 01/07/21 10:12 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Welp trump atleast fucked one thing up right atleast.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#27132634 - 01/07/21 10:39 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Biden already said he’d veto M4A. Ossof is against it. The Speaker of the House won’t even bring it to a vote.
How many different ways do the Democrats need to prove they’re useless?
Also, AOC and The Gang don't want to bring it up to a vote. Medicare For All needs to be won on the streets because The Elite aren't giving up the greatest drain on the working class without a massive battle.
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At least they will have no more excuses for the nothing they achieve.
Maybe you will at least get some better covid response, but I expect very little from Biden's term.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: qman] 1
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The Ecstatic said: Biden already said he’d veto M4A. Ossof is against it. The Speaker of the House won’t even bring it to a vote.
How many different ways do the Democrats need to prove they’re useless?
Also, AOC and The Gang don't want to bring it up to a vote. Medicare For All needs to be won on the streets because The Elite aren't giving up the greatest drain on the working class without a massive battle.
As someone who has a pretty strong opinion about most things politics, I think there’s a legitimate debate to be had whether bringing M4A to a vote right now helps or hurts. It might force Dem leadership to look like shit, but it also might fail spectacularly and be used as an excuse to bury that agenda forever. “See? We don’t have the votes. Give up.”
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Patlal]
#27132700 - 01/07/21 11:04 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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- The most electoral votes - The electoral college's votes - House majority - Senate majority - The Presidency
If that doesn't bring universal healthcare or any other big ticket items into law, the Democrats are as useless as the Republicans.
They’ll fuck it up, but hopefully we get some sort of half assed healthcare. Even half assed healthcare would be an improvement.
If not, can I get an endorsement for Canadian citizenship? I already live there for a while, and I really enjoy hockey.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27132735 - 01/07/21 11:33 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: I think there’s a legitimate debate to be had whether bringing M4A to a vote right now helps or hurts. It might force Dem leadership to look like shit, but it also might fail spectacularly and be used as an excuse to bury that agenda forever.
I think if it makes Dem leadership look like shit, there's a better chance of voting them out next time around. The majority of the country is ready for M4A.
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Momentum is certainly building, but I’m wary of giving the national media an excuse to label everyone supportive of universal healthcare a wrecker who just hates Democrats and the freedom of choice. The liberals will absolutely use Dem voters’ renewed trust in the media to their advantage at some point.
But like I said, I don’t know how it would play out. Nobody does.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Seems better to me to at least try something than to accept the status quo.
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Maybe, but what’s the difference in optics between not having a vote and having a vote that fails?
Can’t we just say “Pelosi sucks so bad she won’t even let us vote on it?” and accomplish the same thing?
It’s gonna take massive levels of organizing to get something like M4A passed, and a floor vote in the House won’t accomplish that. The force the vote folks can’t even get other leftist orgs on board, how are they gonna take on both political parties, the media, and the health insurance industry?
I’m not trying to be overly pessimistic but it seems to me this recent lashing out at AOC is people convincing themselves that “if AOC just did what I think then we’d win” and that’s far from the case. The power necessary to do something like M4A is not there yet.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27132817 - 01/07/21 12:17 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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It'll happen. It may take a few more years, but it's inevitable.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I think everyone realized it wouldn't pass. People just wanted to know who actually supports M4A and who just pretends they do so they get elected.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Maybe, but what’s the difference in optics between not having a vote and having a vote that fails?
Can’t we just say “Pelosi sucks so bad she won’t even let us vote on it?” and accomplish the same thing?
It’s gonna take massive levels of organizing to get something like M4A passed, and a floor vote in the House won’t accomplish that. The force the vote folks can’t even get other leftist orgs on board, how are they gonna take on both political parties, the media, and the health insurance industry?
I’m not trying to be overly pessimistic but it seems to me this recent lashing out at AOC is people convincing themselves that “if AOC just did what I think then we’d win” and that’s far from the case. The power necessary to do something like M4A is not there yet.
Ecstatic is starting to catch onto the strategy.
Pelosi has been doing this for a few years now: most notably, she stood and took the flak for delaying impeachment until the right time.
She can take the flak for a lack of M4A until it becomes politically viable. She's playing the McConnell game.
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I’ve seen people make analogies to the inevitability of something like gay marriage, but there isn’t trillions of dollars at stake for allowing gay people to marry each other. I agree it’s inevitable, but how many more 50,000 annual deaths are we going to accept by kicking our feet up and deciding the it’ll work itself out eventually.
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I think everyone realized it wouldn't pass. People just wanted to know who actually supports M4A and who just pretends they do so they get elected.
Sure, but knowing that it won’t pass the Senate means that House Dems who don’t actually support it can still vote Yes, knowing it won’t survive the Senate, so it doesn’t even achieve the “we’ll know what side everyone is on” goal.
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The Ecstatic said: Maybe, but what’s the difference in optics between not having a vote and having a vote that fails?
Can’t we just say “Pelosi sucks so bad she won’t even let us vote on it?” and accomplish the same thing?
It’s gonna take massive levels of organizing to get something like M4A passed, and a floor vote in the House won’t accomplish that. The force the vote folks can’t even get other leftist orgs on board, how are they gonna take on both political parties, the media, and the health insurance industry?
I’m not trying to be overly pessimistic but it seems to me this recent lashing out at AOC is people convincing themselves that “if AOC just did what I think then we’d win” and that’s far from the case. The power necessary to do something like M4A is not there yet.
Ecstatic is starting to catch onto the strategy.
Pelosi has been doing this for a few years now: most notably, she stood and took the flak for delaying impeachment until the right time.
She can take the flak for a lack of M4A until it becomes politically viable. She's playing the McConnell game.
But you also have to weigh that measured approach against what would happen if Pelosi did push for it. It’s like when Sanders was running, and people would say “ha, even if he does get elected president none of his agenda would pass the legislature.” Perhaps, but the White House is a great bully pulpit and no one can say what effect that would have on building public support.
Folks have to look at things from a different perspective. Do we operate based on what the polls say? Or do we try to change the polls? Bernie tripled national support for universal healthcare in just 4 years, we should be trying to win over popular support as much as we can. But at the same time, we can’t overextend and fail over and over again because that depressed enthusiasm and gives room for middling half measures like Obamacare (a right wing think tank policy).
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Folks have to look at things from a different perspective. Do we operate based on what the polls say? Or do we try to change the polls? Bernie tripled national support for universal healthcare in just 4 years, we should be trying to win over popular support as much as we can. But at the same time, we can’t overextend and fail over and over again because that depressed enthusiasm and gives room for middling half measures like Obamacare (a right wing think tank policy).
That's kind of the point. Right now, M4A isn't a safe bet. It's not even a good bet. Right now, M4A is a Hail Mary pass, and Bernie's failure to win the nomination (whether legitimately or through shenanigans) is evidence of that.
If it works, it would be great, but if it doesn't work, your QB just got sacked 20 yards behind the line.
Right now democrats need to build momentum with small, incremental, changes. Best case, I think if the next two years go well and democrats can hold congress in 2022, then M4A is a good bet. That being said, incumbents holding congress is not very common. M4A may well have to wait until 2024, or even 2028.
Of course, "improvement over the next two years" shouldn't be too hard right now. If we can get covid under control by the end of the year, majority vaccinated, and maybe a nice little small business stimulus that actually goes to small businesses (as well as a few stimuli for workers), then Biden just needs to not fuck up 2022 and he'll be golden. Couple of good and public foreign policy wins, and M4A is viable in 2023.
Of course, this needs to be both achieved and publicized through the noise of the right wing media machine, which is the hard part.
Actually, I think presidential elections under the EC is a good example. Right now, a 50-50 split in the population means that republicans win in approximately 70% of scenarios. Democrats mathematically need to have a 3% edge for a presidential election to be an even 50-50 shot. This is why Bernie's failure to get the nomination, even due to shenanigans, counts.
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Small incremental changes is what doomed the Obama presidency, resulting in a loss of the house, senate, a thousand state legislature seats, and eventually the Supreme Court.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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No, it was lack of momentum that doomed Obama's presidency. A big part of that was Obamacare and the right wing backlash over it.
You need small incremental changes that build up momentum. Politics is as much storytelling as it is actual policy. Hero's journey and all that. You can't fight the final boss on day one (unless you're playing morrowind and good at serious cheese).
Unfortunately, a big part of that is the tendency of the left wing to splinter into groups that all have their own ideas, while the right coalesces into one goose-stepping army.
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I get what you’re saying, but the lackluster ACA was painted as fighting the final boss. Even now we have moderate shitheels saying stuff like “no Medicare for all is authoritarian, we just need to build on Obamacare.”
It sucked all the air out of the healthcare reform movement because it presented itself as THE solution, not a stepping stone. People want the problem to be addressed so they can forget about it, and politicians know that. It’s why they were able to sit on their asses for 10 months and do nothing about the pandemic. “Well we addressed that with the stimulus checks so that’s over now.” It’s why people vote in November and then tune the fuck out.
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Another 4 years of making the rich richer and keeping the poor, poor. Go make some more buddy buddy deals you politician scumbags.
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Exactly. That's why we can't start with M4A out of the gate. Obama did that with Obamacare, and it didn't go great.
Right now, democrats need to start small, and treat it as if it's a final boss. Play up the theatrics on stimulus checks before passing them (which is all but guaranteed due to GA runoff messaging). Then Covid response. Then vaccinations. Then foreign policy. After a series of small "final boss" wins, which we will know based on the 2022 elections, does M4A go on the table. Heck, even losing a chamber of congress wouldn't totally torpedo M4A. If anything, losing a chamber of congress allows democrats to essentially talk about M4A for free while being blocked by republicans, which will do what Bernie did even though he lost: make it more popular and rally support.
Then depending on 2024 and 2028, does M4A become feasible.
It does suck that a lot of people will die needlessly along the way, but that's politics.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: MycoBrainz]
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They aren't going to transform capitalism or anything, but Marty Walsh as Labor Secretary could lead to gains for working people.
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@kryptos
The Dems will be slightly better than their opponents, but if this strategy worked we’d have had a democratic supermajority since 1932.
Dems need to show people that they’re willing to take on the groups that are making Americans’ lives hell, and they refuse to do that. That’s why they’ll lose the House and Senate in two years.
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Instead of being cynical and defeatist, could we maybe say "In two years we'll expand the Dem majority in both houses, entirely with left/progressives" Isn't that also possible?
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The Dems will be slightly better than their opponents, but if this strategy worked we’d have had a democratic supermajority since 1932.
Dems need to show people that they’re willing to take on the groups that are making Americans’ lives hell, and they refuse to do that. That’s why they’ll lose the House and Senate in two years.
They did, for a long time. Then republicans adjusted by seizing control of the media, and therefore, messaging. Right now, republicans still have that advantage, though Trump has frayed it quite a bit.
Clinton showed that bipartisanship doesn't work. Obama showed that big ideas aren't enough to destroy that advantage with Obamacare. Democrats need to do some rebuilding.
Right now, democrats have a great opportunity to dismantle Fox News, especially since MAGAs are attacking Fox News as well. If the biggest right wing propaganda machine in the world goes down, then leftist policies have a much better shot. For this to occur, they need to make Fox news look foolish with consistent small successes, knowing that Carlson and Hannity will lose their shit regardless.
EDIT: To be more specific: the literal job description of talking faces like Hannity and Carlson is to say whatever democrats are doing is bad and will destroy America. This puts them into a precarious situation, because if democrats give everyone $2k and a free puppy, both Hannity and Carlson have to wake up the next day, go to work, and spend an hour or whatever each screaming about how that money is bad for their listeners and the puppies are, like, death puppies or whatever. Because that's what they're paid to do.
For something complex, like M4A, they can easily find some kind of soundbite. Like Obamacare death panels. If democrats start doing simple things that are immediately and obviously beneficial, Hannity and Carlson start looking more and more ridiculous. This is how you destroy the right wing propaganda machine. Once you've achieved that, accomplishing complex things becomes much easier.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Lynnch]
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It is, but the moderates that the Democrats explicitly gear their agenda towards will flip back to the GOP when the Dems fail to accomplish anything meaningful. I’d love for them to do something meaningful, and be wrong, but not likely. Progressives are winning the argument but they don’t have enough power to take over the party. In fact they’re being deliberately undermined by the party. The bubble will burst from the trillions that Trump is pumping into the economy, we’ll enter a recession, the GOP will say Biden’s big government ideas wrecked the economy, and that’ll be that.
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The Dems will be slightly better than their opponents, but if this strategy worked we’d have had a democratic supermajority since 1932.
Dems need to show people that they’re willing to take on the groups that are making Americans’ lives hell, and they refuse to do that. That’s why they’ll lose the House and Senate in two years.
They did, for a long time. Then republicans adjusted by seizing control of the media, and therefore, messaging. Right now, republicans still have that advantage, though Trump has frayed it quite a bit.
Clinton showed that bipartisanship doesn't work. Obama showed that big ideas aren't enough to destroy that advantage with Obamacare. Democrats need to do some rebuilding.
Right now, democrats have a great opportunity to dismantle Fox News, especially since MAGAs are attacking Fox News as well. If the biggest right wing propaganda machine in the world goes down, then leftist policies have a much better shot. For this to occur, they need to make Fox news look foolish with consistent small successes, knowing that Carlson and Hannity will lose their shit regardless.
EDIT: To be more specific: the literal job description of talking faces like Hannity and Carlson is to say whatever democrats are doing is bad and will destroy America. This puts them into a precarious situation, because if democrats give everyone $2k and a free puppy, both Hannity and Carlson have to wake up the next day, go to work, and spend an hour or whatever each screaming about how that money is bad for their listeners and the puppies are, like, death puppies or whatever. Because that's what they're paid to do.
For something complex, like M4A, they can easily find some kind of soundbite. Like Obamacare death panels. If democrats start doing simple things that are immediately and obviously beneficial, Hannity and Carlson start looking more and more ridiculous. This is how you destroy the right wing propaganda machine. Once you've achieved that, accomplishing complex things becomes much easier.
I agree that the Dems need to attack the right where it counts, specifically in the media sphere. Unfortunately, they’ve spent 4 years giving the GOP a pass and instead placing all the blame on Trump (who’s gonna be gone in two weeks).
Things like PR/DC statehood would be a tremendous boon to securing Democratic Party power for decades to come, but they simply won’t do it. Why? Because the people who control the Democratic Party don’t want progress, they want gridlock, because the status quo benefits them.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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PR and DC statehood would be a good idea, and I do, unfortunately, think you're right.
Democrats as a whole need to get better at soundbites. "Wealth tax" doesn't fly, because everyone thinks they're average. The dude with $100 total assets thinks his "wealth" will be taxed.
On the other hand, "Millionaire tax" would play better. People who are millionaires know they are millionaires, and people that are not millionaires know they are not millionaires. $400k tax has too many syllables and too many moving parts.
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One of the things progressives could do better is illustrate just how enormous the wealth disparity is. It’s nice that Bernie can rattle off numbers and percentages but that doesn’t really reach people like it should.
But yeah messaging all around can be improved. Even thought I think he’s a little corporate weasel, Jon Ossof did a good job with his messaging during the senate run. Dems too often get sucked into the GOP narrative and shoot themselves in the foot by constantly playing defense and backpedaling.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Yeah, numbers don't work. For most americans, considering the state of US education, as soon as they hear a number their eyes glaze over and they're back sleeping through high school algebra.
It's kind of hard to demonstrate wealth disparity, though there have been good graphical representations coming out of various internet holes. Sadly, those also don't work as soundbites.
That's why nebulous terms like "wealth tax" need to be avoided at all costs. That's also why big things like M4A can't be the first out of the gate. It almost immediately puts democrats on the defensive from right wing media.
Though, I gotta say, "Medicare for all" is a pretty great soundbite in and of itself, considering that Medicare is the most popular government program in the US.
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Yeah it was smart of Bernie to switch to that terminology and ditch “single payer.” Medicare is something that already exists and people like, therefore it’s not a huge change (even though it is). Single payer makes it sound like MY taxes are going up to benefit someone else.
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It also took the wind out of the GOP attack line of "democrats are coming for your medicare".
I don;t know if M4A was focus tested or luck, but we need more of that.
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One of the things progressives could do better is illustrate just how enormous the wealth disparity is.
Why don't people have the fucking balls to be honest and admit they oppose capitalism?
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One of the things progressives could do better is illustrate just how enormous the wealth disparity is.
Why don't people have the fucking balls to be honest and admit they oppose capitalism?
I vehemently oppose capitalism, but you better keep my testicles out of this!
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One of the things progressives could do better is illustrate just how enormous the wealth disparity is.
Why don't people have the fucking balls to be honest and admit they oppose capitalism?
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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You admit you oppose capitalism though, right?
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: psi]
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Thought that was obvious by now, my previous comment clearly made in jest
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One of the things progressives could do better is illustrate just how enormous the wealth disparity is.
Why don't people have the fucking balls to be honest and admit they oppose capitalism?
I think most of us are pretty open about that actually
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Ezuma]
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I think he means the Democrats.
But when major public figures start calling capitalism and imperialism THE problem, the CIA kills them. That’s why there are no huge anti capitalist groups.
Not that the Democrats are really anti capitalist and are keeping it secret, I mostly meant that the people and groups who did occupy those spaces were forcibly removed from it. We deliberately excised anti capitalism from our society, so it’s ignorant for RJ to ask why more anti capitalists don’t exist, or rather: he thinks they do exist but they keep it a secret (because he doesn’t understand how power works).
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But when major public figures start calling capitalism and imperialism THE problem, the CIA kills them. That’s why there are no huge anti capitalist groups.
Not that the Democrats are really anti capitalist and are keeping it secret, I mostly meant that the people and groups who did occupy those spaces were forcibly removed from it. We deliberately excised anti capitalism from our society, so it’s ignorant for RJ to ask why more anti capitalists don’t exist, or rather: he thinks they do exist but they keep it a secret (because he doesn’t understand how power works).
I see. the history is pretty clear yes, it is endlessly frustrating how these people think a secret cabal of communists is behind the evils of capitalism
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Ironically, the best way to even attempt resisting it is to be humble enough to admit that you are vulnerable to having your worldview manipulated. Even then, you're not immune from it.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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It's interesting the jump people will make from "mainstream news has a bias and can be outright wrong sometimes" to "these partisan propaganda sources are the only real news, and everything else is the propaganda".
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I've said it a thousand times, many of these people are walking talking versions of confirmation bias. They will do anything to hear what they want to hear.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: christopera]
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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It's a good feeling to feel like you know better than everyone else, and Youtube "research" etc. is kind of a shortcut to that feeling. People feel like they've been educating themselves when they really have just been indoctrinating themselves with garbage info. Same deal with the flat earth crowd. Everyone else are the sheeple but they know the real truth.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: psi]
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I mean even a reflection of your confirmation bias is in itself a way to make yourself feel superior. “Look at me, analyzing my thoughts, I’m such a morally centered person unlike these barbarians.”
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But yeah
sure, but I do think it's sometimes justified. I find self satisfied liberals annoying, but there comes a point where there is enough contrast in ideals that both-sidesism seems a bit of a reach.
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Being in control of the majority is incredibly important for very tangible reasons that have nothing to do with legislation.
The fact that republicans will not be able to block and make demands about judicial nominations means the damage that republicans do to the federal judiciary will end.
There will a lot of bills that democrats passed in the house that would have passed in the senate if McConnell hadn’t prevented a vote. Now those bills will go through.
Two more seats from a legislative point doesn’t represent a binary change, but majority control does concerning proceedutal issues
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
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They can still filibuster.
They’ll just run the same playbook they did in 08. Unfortunately, the Dems probably will too.
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They can still filibuster and getting rid of it with it being evenly split would be a bad idea. This majority is highly susceptible to random and intentional events. What if manchin switched parties? What if sanders dies of a heart attack, or any other democrat from a state with a republican governor dies?
The crooked media guys (I know, establishment) listed all the kinds of legislation can be passed by a simple majority through budget reconciliation. This was the move they used to try and repeal Obamacare, which was infamously stopped by the almost dead John McCain.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
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Yeah I mean they can do all kinds of shit through reconciliation, just like Biden can cancel student debt through executive action.
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Its a good thing the democrats run the show now. We can finally push socialism threw this is something America really needs. An if we can use covid for a gun grab it will make the transition much smoother. As long as we adopt more socialism policies we will be fine.
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Nobody’s made a serious attempt to further regulate firearms since Trump did. Somehow every social issue is seen as a back door attempt to seize your guns lol. Almost as a ridiculous as thinking the Democrats are socialists.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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guns should be next especially after the major armed terrorist attack we had at the white house. Its obvious people in America are very irresponsible an cant handle weapons..they must go along with forced flue shots for covid. Its very easy steps to follow for a better country no guns an follow the ruls that simple.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
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I'd love to watch republicans push gun control now that they've done a real life lockdown drill.
As Meghan McCain most expertly pointed out a few days ago, republicans don't give a fuck until it affects them. Then they most definitely give a fuck.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Mach z 800] 1
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Mach z 800 said: Its a good thing the democrats run the show now. We can finally push socialism threw this is something America really needs. An if we can use covid for a gun grab it will make the transition much smoother. As long as we adopt more socialism policies we will be fine.
As a socialist who wouldn't be bothered by gun control (Canadian after all) you will not see either of those things. It's amazing how cool and radical republicans make dems sound, and yet how utterly milquetoast and conservative most of them are in reality
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Mach z 800] 2
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I wish you would folllow the ruls of English
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Ezuma]
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Mach z 800 said: Its a good thing the democrats run the show now. We can finally push socialism threw this is something America really needs. An if we can use covid for a gun grab it will make the transition much smoother. As long as we adopt more socialism policies we will be fine.
As a socialist who wouldn't be bothered by gun control (Canadian after all) you will not see either of those things. It's amazing how cool and radical republicans make dems sound, and yet how utterly milquetoast and conservative most of them are in reality
its not about gun control its about haveing control over the population an keeping them in check thats what its all about.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Mach z 800]
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Mach z 800 said: Its a good thing the democrats run the show now. We can finally push socialism threw this is something America really needs. An if we can use covid for a gun grab it will make the transition much smoother. As long as we adopt more socialism policies we will be fine.
As a socialist who wouldn't be bothered by gun control (Canadian after all) you will not see either of those things. It's amazing how cool and radical republicans make dems sound, and yet how utterly milquetoast and conservative most of them are in reality
its not about gun control its about haveing control over the population an keeping them in check thats what its all about.
Yeah, Trump tried that. Didn't go great.
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not according to your last post, its clear though you don't know what socialism means.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Ezuma]
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ok im done sounding like all these wakos i see on Twitter crying about none sence lol. Thoe i did kinda go off the deep end 😂. Really thoe i just want everything to chill out an things get back to normal.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
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man iv misses your remarks lol they do crack me up i wont lie.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Ezuma]
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Mach z 800 said: Its a good thing the democrats run the show now. We can finally push socialism threw this is something America really needs. An if we can use covid for a gun grab it will make the transition much smoother. As long as we adopt more socialism policies we will be fine.
well i feel like gun rights are at risk but it could be a slow process they will ban assault rifles probably first because they are very effective. But that would bet it would get very ugly situation to see play out. I hope it dont come to this thoe.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Mach z 800]
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Heard on the newshour that Murkowski is considering leaving the GOP. I don’t know if this means she will switch parties or be an independent that caucuses with GOP or democrats
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
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things are about to get rather interesting from here on out there is alot going on at once.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Mach z 800]
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Reports are Susan Collins is concerned
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
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Oh no!
Is her brow furrowed?
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Kryptos]
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She’s writing a strongly worded letter as we speak
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The CIA mainly kills communists in places like Latin American which might actually have revolutions. Communists here are relatively safe here. Just don't go to protest a Nazi/clan rally in Greensboro.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Brian Jones]
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CIA kills foreigners, FBI cleans up locals.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Kryptos]
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The FBI have been known to hunt Black Panther.
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The president tried to get antifa (largely comprised of communists) designated as terrorists like two months ago.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I don't pretend to know who ANTIFA is composed of, but I don't think they are largely composed of communists. Maybe I'm wrong.
Trump's statements about designating them as a terrorist organization was symbolic speech for his base. The first, and very difficult step, would be demonstrating that they're an organization.
I'm just saying it doesn't rank up there with the CIA being in on the assassination of the democratically elected socialist President of Chile.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
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koods said: Heard on the newshour that Murkowski is considering leaving the GOP. I don’t know if this means she will switch parties or be an independent that caucuses with GOP or democrats
I just read an article giving the view that Murkowski has an advantage over other disillusioned Republicans in congress, because Alaska has rank order voting and it wouldn't really hurt her to run independent.
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Brian Jones]
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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
#27171796 - 01/26/21 08:44 PM (3 years, 1 day ago) |
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Hmm. Guess one of the newly strapped representatives is plan B now.
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