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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27135162 - 01/08/21 12:22 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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One of the things progressives could do better is illustrate just how enormous the wealth disparity is.




Why don't people have the fucking balls to be honest and admit they oppose capitalism?




I think most of us are pretty open about that actually


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Ezuma]
    #27135174 - 01/08/21 12:26 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I think he means the Democrats.

But when major public figures start calling capitalism and imperialism THE problem, the CIA kills them. That’s why there are no huge anti capitalist groups.


Not that the Democrats are really anti capitalist and are keeping it secret, I mostly meant that the people and groups who did occupy those spaces were forcibly removed from it. We deliberately excised anti capitalism from our society, so it’s ignorant for RJ to ask why more anti capitalists don’t exist, or rather: he thinks they do exist but they keep it a secret (because he doesn’t understand how power works).


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27135188 - 01/08/21 12:32 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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I think he means the Democrats.

But when major public figures start calling capitalism and imperialism THE problem, the CIA kills them. That’s why there are no huge anti capitalist groups.


Not that the Democrats are really anti capitalist and are keeping it secret, I mostly meant that the people and groups who did occupy those spaces were forcibly removed from it. We deliberately excised anti capitalism from our society, so it’s ignorant for RJ to ask why more anti capitalists don’t exist, or rather: he thinks they do exist but they keep it a secret (because he doesn’t understand how power works).




I see. the history is pretty clear yes, it is endlessly frustrating how these people think a secret cabal of communists is behind the evils of capitalism


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #27135192 - 01/08/21 12:34 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

No one is immune to propaganda


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27135214 - 01/08/21 12:42 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

true, evidently


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #27135291 - 01/08/21 01:32 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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No one is immune to propaganda



Ironically, the best way to even attempt resisting it is to be humble enough to admit that you are vulnerable to having your worldview manipulated. Even then, you're not immune from it.


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #27135306 - 01/08/21 01:34 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

That’s why it’s so effective.

It’s a thousand times easier to bamboozle someone than it is to convince them they’ve been bamboozled.


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27135326 - 01/08/21 01:41 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

It's interesting the jump people will make from "mainstream news has a bias and can be outright wrong sometimes" to "these partisan propaganda sources are the only real news, and everything else is the propaganda".


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: psi]
    #27135334 - 01/08/21 01:45 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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It's interesting the jump people will make from "mainstream news has a bias and can be outright wrong sometimes" to "these partisan propaganda sources are the only real news, and everything else is the propaganda".




I've said it a thousand times, many of these people are walking talking versions of confirmation bias. They will do anything to hear what they want to hear.


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: christopera]
    #27135341 - 01/08/21 01:47 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Everyone is. What’s different is the degree to which people reflect on that.


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27135363 - 01/08/21 01:56 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

It's a good feeling to feel like you know better than everyone else, and Youtube "research" etc. is kind of a shortcut to that feeling. People feel like they've been educating themselves when they really have just been indoctrinating themselves with garbage info. Same deal with the flat earth crowd. Everyone else are the sheeple but they know the real truth.


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: psi]
    #27135366 - 01/08/21 01:57 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I mean even a reflection of your confirmation bias is in itself a way to make yourself feel superior. “Look at me, analyzing my thoughts, I’m such a morally centered person unlike these barbarians.”

But yeah


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27135430 - 01/08/21 02:37 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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I mean even a reflection of your confirmation bias is in itself a way to make yourself feel superior. “Look at me, analyzing my thoughts, I’m such a morally centered person unlike these barbarians.”

But yeah




sure, but I do think it's sometimes justified. I find self satisfied liberals annoying, but there comes a point where there is enough contrast in ideals that both-sidesism seems a bit of a reach.


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Ezuma]
    #27135451 - 01/08/21 02:46 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Being in control of the majority is incredibly important for very tangible reasons that have nothing to do with legislation.

The fact that republicans will not be able to block and make demands about judicial nominations means the damage that republicans do to the federal judiciary will end.

There will a lot of bills that democrats passed in  the house that would have passed in the senate if McConnell hadn’t prevented a vote. Now those bills will go through.

Two more seats from a legislative point doesn’t represent a binary change, but majority control does concerning proceedutal issues


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
    #27135489 - 01/08/21 03:05 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

They can still filibuster.

They’ll just run the same playbook they did in 08.
Unfortunately, the Dems probably will too.


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27135501 - 01/08/21 03:15 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

They can still filibuster and getting rid of it with it being evenly split would be a bad idea. This majority is highly susceptible to random and intentional events. What if manchin switched parties? What if sanders dies of a heart attack, or any other democrat from a state with a republican governor dies?

The crooked media guys (I know, establishment) listed all the kinds of legislation can be passed by a simple majority through budget reconciliation. This was the move they used to try and repeal Obamacare, which was infamously stopped by the almost dead John McCain.



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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
    #27135621 - 01/08/21 04:04 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Yeah I mean they can do all kinds of shit through reconciliation, just like Biden can cancel student debt through executive action.

They just won’t. I would love to be proven wrong.


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: koods]
    #27135630 - 01/08/21 04:05 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Its a good thing the democrats run the show now. We can finally push socialism threw this is something America really needs. An if we can use covid for a gun grab it will make the transition much smoother. As long as we adopt more socialism policies we will be fine.


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: Mach z 800] * 3
    #27135653 - 01/08/21 04:12 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Nobody’s made a serious attempt to further regulate firearms since Trump did. Somehow every social issue is seen as a back door attempt to seize your guns lol. Almost as a ridiculous as thinking the Democrats are socialists.


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Re: Democrats win control of US Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27135678 - 01/08/21 04:19 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Nobody’s made a serious attempt to further regulate firearms since Trump did. Somehow every social issue is seen as a back door attempt to seize your guns lol. Almost as a ridiculous as thinking the Democrats are socialists.


guns should be next especially after the major armed terrorist attack we had at the white house. Its obvious people in America are very irresponsible an cant handle weapons..they must go along with forced flue shots for covid. Its very easy steps to follow for a better country no guns an follow the ruls that simple.


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