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Question: is there any...
#27129090 - 01/05/21 07:07 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Is there any sense to the idea that Trump may start a war with Iran, under the belief that presidents can't be switched while a war is unfolding? or is the idea just a bad dream?
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: laughingdog]
#27129094 - 01/05/21 07:09 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Trump's been trying to start a war with Iran since 2018, Iran hasn't taken the bait yet.
At this point, the question is whether the DoD is willing to start indiscriminately bombing Iran in the last two weeks of Trump's term. I'd say there's a 50/50 chance that happens.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: laughingdog]
#27129104 - 01/05/21 07:14 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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laughingdog said: Is there any sense to the idea that Trump may start a war with Iran, under the belief that presidents can't be switched while a war is unfolding? or is the idea just a bad dream?
The president’s term ends at noon on January 20. That is mandated in the constitution.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: koods]
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: laughingdog]
#27129237 - 01/05/21 08:37 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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The saber rattling from Iran just came out "finger on the trigger". They are trying to position themselves a priorty for Biden Admin. They themselves have a proxy war in Yemen.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/defence/iran-tests-drones-in-military-exercise/amp_articleshow/80116594.cms
DUBAI: Iran launched exercises featuring a wide array of domestically produced drones on Tuesday, Iranian media reported, days after the anniversary of the U.S. killing of a top Iranian general by a drone strike in Iraq.
Iran and the regional forces it backs have increasingly relied in recent years on drones in Yemen, Syria, Iraq and the Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Gulf.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: SirTripAlot]
#27129254 - 01/05/21 08:44 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Drones are the future of combat. Of course they would invest in drones. Especially considering that Iran's military strength right now lies primarily in missiles.
The US will likely end up going to war against Iran at some point in the near future anyway. Between our friends Israel and Saudi Arabia, it's almost guaranteed. Probably during the next republican administration, considering they'll need to placate the evangelical vote, and that means doing whatever Israel wants.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27129261 - 01/05/21 08:47 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Trump's been trying to start a war with Iran since 2018, Iran hasn't taken the bait yet.
At this point, the question is whether the DoD is willing to start indiscriminately bombing Iran in the last two weeks of Trump's term. I'd say there's a 50/50 chance that happens.
Correction: Trump's advisors tried to get Trump to start a war with Iran, and he almost took the bait, but ultimately decided against it.
If Trump wanted to start a war, he would have retaliated militarily when the Iranians bombed the US Airbase after the assassination of Soleimani.
But he didn't, because Trump, and very rightly so feared going to war.
John Bolton literally resigned because Trump refused to let the war with Iran go hot.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: chopstick] 1
#27129264 - 01/05/21 08:49 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Correction: You're wrong.
That is all.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Kryptos]
#27129280 - 01/05/21 08:57 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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On this world. Space will be the future of combat. Another branch added to the US military, its not just for breakfast anymore.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27129286 - 01/05/21 08:59 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Nice argument there, bruv.
Trump literally had multiple opportunities to start a war with Iran. There were probably about a half-dozen instances in which he had enough political cover to order military strikes on Iran.
But he didn't, even though he could have.
That should tell you something.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: SirTripAlot]
#27129290 - 01/05/21 09:01 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Someone broadcast a message on a restricted air traffic control frequency saying Iran was going to attack congress during tomorrow’s joint session
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: chopstick]
#27129291 - 01/05/21 09:01 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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chopstick said: Nice argument there, bruv.
Trump literally had multiple opportunities to start a war with Iran. There were probably about a half-dozen instances in which he had enough political cover to order military strikes on Iran.
But he didn't, even though he could have.
That should tell you something.
He certainly got us closer than anyone since Reagan.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: koods]
#27129797 - 01/06/21 06:51 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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koods said: Someone broadcast a message on a restricted air traffic control frequency saying Iran was going to attack congress during tomorrow’s joint session
See the analogy of Pence being a penny in the "last will be first" in the reading of the electoral count? And if the "first will be last" what is Trump capable of in the final moment to stay in power?
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Kryptos]
#27132480 - 01/07/21 09:13 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Correction: You're wrong.
That is all.
You can pretty much go with the opposite of whatever chopstick says is accurate.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#27132510 - 01/07/21 09:34 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said:
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Kryptos said: Correction: You're wrong.
That is all.
You can pretty much go with the opposite of whatever chopstick says is accurate.
Everything I've stated in this thread is 100% factual. Feel free to try and provide a counter-argument. Oh that's right.. you can't.
Trump literally had the perfect cover to attack Iran when they bombed the US Airbase. It was the perfect moment to go to war.
He didn't.
But somehow I'm wrong?
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: chopstick]
#27132512 - 01/07/21 09:35 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Shroomery in a nutshell: MUH ORANGE MAN BAD ANYONE WHO DEFENDS HIM IS WRONG NO MATTER WHAT, FACTS DON'T MATTER, ONLY OUR FEELINGS MATTER
We've devolved to a fucking gradeschool level of discourse.
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#27132526 - 01/07/21 09:44 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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There are plenty of perfectly mature discussions here. On several occasions we have asked you to come to the table and discuss with us, you however have been unwilling.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: christopera]
#27132547 - 01/07/21 09:54 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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I have personality tried several times. He's one of those guys that makes claims and then says, "go look it up" when asked for sources.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: chopstick]
#27132854 - 01/07/21 12:35 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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chopstick said: Trump literally had the perfect cover to attack Iran when they bombed the US Airbase. It was the perfect moment to go to war.
Nice little twist you put on that. It was more like, after Trump agreed to murder Soleimani, Iran responded, then Trump backed down. There's a difference.
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Yes, my point exactly is that Trump backed down. There was no more of a perfect moment to go to war than when Iran literally bombed a US airbase with US troops present. He had all the political cover he needed in that moment to start a war with Iran by ordering a retaliatory strike.
But he didn't. He backed down. Which is literally my point exactly.
Thanks for making my point clear.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: chopstick]
#27132884 - 01/07/21 12:51 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Iran's response to Soleimani's murder was measured. There were no U.S. troops killed.
I don't think you're completely wrong but I don't completely agree either.
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I think Trump could have used it as an excuse for war if he so desired.
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I agree Falcon.
Do you think it was because Iran was measured in their response?
I'm not sure what number of deaths would've been enough, but they didn't occur, which makes it a bit hard to murder someone then justify further attacks as well.
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Also, assassinating Soleimani was about as close to the line in the sand as it gets when it comes to assassinating foreign leaders.
If THAT in itself isn't an act of aggression meant to start a war I don't know what is.
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The fact that Iran's response led to no deaths made attacking Iran politically infeasible.
That's why Trump tried to play up the "internal injuries" and "severe concussions" angle--to provide cover for an attack. Of course, the fact that Trump had within the last month or two tweeted that PTSD and brain damage isn't a "real injury" kinda came back to bite him in the ass.
If Trump used that as an excuse to start a war, then it would have looked like an unprovoked assassination, followed by a rational response, followed by an irrational attack. While I'm sure Trump wasn't thinking about that, the military sure as shit knew that attacking Iran not only without the backing of allies, but in an act that looks a lot like a first strike, would have ended up with the US alone fighting against Iran and Iran's sudden new friends.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Kryptos]
#27132987 - 01/07/21 01:35 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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From now till he leaves office I don't believe that Trump would be allowed to initiate a military strike (unless we were attacked), regardless of what powers a President normally has.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Brian Jones]
#27133375 - 01/07/21 04:32 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: From now till he leaves office I don't believe that Trump would be allowed to initiate a military strike (unless we were attacked), regardless of what powers a President normally has.
That's right. Officers in the military, who would be carrying out attack orders, take an oath to the Constitution as well. If they are given an order that conflicts with Constitutional action, it is their sworn duty not to carry out that order. So I think we have little to worry about on that front.
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AKA an unlawful order.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: SirTripAlot]
#27133880 - 01/07/21 07:47 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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IMO the only reason Trump wont be removed from office is because he's gone in two weeks. He is now the lamest of lame ducks.
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#27134023 - 01/07/21 08:32 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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That about sums it up. If it was even a month left, here cometh the 25th.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: SirTripAlot]
#27134713 - 01/08/21 08:29 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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You know what I was just thinking. How this for an Iran deal. Iran stops all nuclear horseshit immediately and well cool it with all the sanctions crazy stuff and the kicker...well give em trump.
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And also attempt to like make serious amends for past transgressions which were an absolute mistake spurred by our own fears of soviet aggression and nuclear proliferation since wwii a war that Iran kinda backed the wrong pony on.
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Iran has already announced that they are willing to rejoin the JCPOA "within an hour" of the US upholding its end of the bargain.
Until the US rejoins the JCPOA, it would be stupid for Iran to stop enriching uranium. They saw what happened to Saddam, and they see what happens to KJU. If Iran doesn't develop nukes quickly, their days are numbered. If Iran does develop nukes, they become untouchable.
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Kryptos]
#27134890 - 01/08/21 10:38 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Yeah but were gonna give em Trump and like apologize in a genuine way. Many will see it as kowtowing to some barbarous murdering autocracy but they dont understand Iraqi culture
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Re: Question: is there any... [Re: Kryptos]
#27137292 - 01/09/21 10:03 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Iran has already announced that they are willing to rejoin the JCPOA "within an hour" of the US upholding its end of the bargain.
Until the US rejoins the JCPOA, it would be stupid for Iran to stop enriching uranium. They saw what happened to Saddam, and they see what happens to KJU. If Iran doesn't develop nukes quickly, their days are numbered. If Iran does develop nukes, they become untouchable.
I'm thinking Israel might get involved, based on what they've done in the past, like blowing up the nuclear reactor in Iraq, and recent events where the Arab world is getting somewhat friendly with Israel, which appears to be creating a united front against Iran.
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