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OfflineTigerStrike
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Why hasn't someone come up with this?
    #27128808 - 01/05/21 05:19 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

So PC's get hot, you know what else gets hot? Ovens! I left 4 baked potatoes inside my oven for like 2 months and forgot. Been using the toaster oven so what!!  So I own like 8 PC's I am a big fan. Not some noob that discovered his oven.

Anyway, After a month on the oven wrapped in aluminum foil I cooked at 425 for like 1 hr.

Guess what NO GROWTH and smelled like fresh mashed potato.

Why don't we put grains in the oven? 375 for 2 hr or whatever? Its too obvious to not already be in use, I must be missing something. (probably something about the way they dry in the oven? )

Searching Sterilizing grains in oven NO RESULTS IN SEARCH.


If any TC comes in here and says Hmmmmmmm I will design an experiemnt asap and then we can get some peer reviews to my techniques make sure I dont have some no endospore wheat.


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: TigerStrike]
    #27128830 - 01/05/21 05:24 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Probably because whatever is on that disgusting potato would be enough to be able to compete with the mycelium in a moist environment but I guess not enough to harm you lol.


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: Eminence]
    #27128841 - 01/05/21 05:26 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

thats the thing it was wrapped in 4 or 5 layers of aluminum foil.

It was perfectly sterilized not allowing any growth whatsoever inside the foil wrap.

Basically the potatoes were canned inside the aluminum foil can they were wrapped in if that makes sense.


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: Eminence]
    #27128848 - 01/05/21 05:28 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Or wait, it still had enough moisture after that time? I don't know then. I mean people use ovens for pasteurizing and sterilizing things like BRF jars. Maybe it's kinda like rice in the sense that it can actually be sterilized without a PC. :shrug:


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: TigerStrike]
    #27128852 - 01/05/21 05:29 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I'd bet it wouldn't work anything like that with grains though. Like you implied, it'd probably be what everyone would do if that were the case. Would be nice though. Would let me do a ton of jars at once.


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: Eminence] * 3
    #27128860 - 01/05/21 05:33 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

dry heat dries shit up, easier and cheaper to run one element on medium then to run a whole oven at 450, even at 450 it takes hours to get a fucking roast's core to temp and that temp is not high enough to sterilize grain


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: cronicr]
    #27128866 - 01/05/21 05:36 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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dry heat dries shit up, easier and cheaper to run one element on medium then to run a whole oven at 450, even at 450 it takes hours to get a fucking roast's core to temp and that temp is not high enough to sterilize grain



:whathesaid:
PC everything. Dry heat sterilize your glass though, that works fine.
I wrap a shot glass in tinfoil after scrubbing it good and dry heat sterilize.
I would use this to make Multi-spore syringes.


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: mushhead] * 2
    #27128887 - 01/05/21 05:47 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

It takes fucking hours to get a turkey to a core temperature of 165f so it's done. Air is a piss poor conductor of heat but steam is not. The name of the game is to kill bacterial ENDOSPORES which can survive at 212f for hours. We need to get every single grain above 212f to effectively kill them.

For that we need a PC which changes the boiling point of water from 212f to 250f. Things like bacillus endospores die at 240f.

Our PCs are taking water to 250f and the steam is pushing that heat into the jars quickly because steam is a great conductor of heat. PCs are insanely more efficient for this purpose.

Sterilization can be done without a pressure cooker but it requires a steam vessel and a LONG amount of time. The steam again conducts the heat into the grains much better than air. These steam vessels like a converted 55 gallon barrel need to heat the spawn and keep it there long enough to kill endospores at a lower internal temperature than a PC can do.

An oven is shit for sterilization because it will cook the everliving piss out of everything before the core temperature reaches the endospore killing zone and by the time you get there you'll have a dry useless jar of garbage.

Hope this helps.


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: starbones]
    #27129062 - 01/05/21 06:52 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

This is the best explanation for this concept I have read in a long time. Nice job Starbones!

But you can Pasteurize your cow shit in Turkey bags in your oven...


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: starbones]
    #27129068 - 01/05/21 06:53 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I may experiment with some crazy shit and oven/oil bath/deep fryer sterilization.


If we DO develop a 100% sterilization temp guarantee for the grains with an oven, it would be so complicated the ones wanting to keep doing mycology would go on and buy a pc

Sporatic no pc havers may choose to do this crazy tek and not invest in a pc


If I can develop a technique and show of a tek that can reach those temps in each grain and retain moisture are you guys willing to try and peer review my tek?


Like There are things that can mitigate and spread the heat in the jars. Like Going half play sand half grains then heat up jar in deep fryer oil or put jar in oil bath in oven. Just want to come up with a overly complicated way for a noob with no PC to be able to say I followed this Boobootek and look 100% success.

If I come up with a tek with some substance and some results who is with me to try it?


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: TigerStrike]
    #27129071 - 01/05/21 06:56 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

a noob with no pc can use brown rice on the stove


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: TigerStrike]
    #27129081 - 01/05/21 07:01 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I would look into an air fryer or something really out there for this endeavor. But hey I love the thinking outside the box.


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: TigerStrike] * 1
    #27129099 - 01/05/21 07:12 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

As starbones stated. Steam.

Same reason a non vented PC doesn't effectively sterilize.

Quote:

TigerStrike said:
Guess what NO GROWTH and smelled like fresh mashed potato.





Applying this logic - rice off the shelf unhydrated would be fine to use as grain spawn because it hasn't colonized already.

That oven was essentially acting as a root cellar and preserving your root vegetable for ya.


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: cronicr]
    #27129105 - 01/05/21 07:14 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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a noob with no pc can use brown rice on the stove





Can do what?

Edit: Oh I see. Brown rice flour. I almost forgot about that.


Edited by AlsetAlokin (01/05/21 07:16 PM)


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: AlsetAlokin] * 1
    #27129127 - 01/05/21 07:23 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

can do it as a whole grain as well


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: cronicr]
    #27129146 - 01/05/21 07:34 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

how about pre cooked rice from the grocery store? even easier!


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Re: Why hasn't someone come up with this? [Re: TheBoJim]
    #27129189 - 01/05/21 08:05 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

facts, and lol Grain master uncle ben bags stacked all around lololol


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