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Storage life of vodka shroom extract
    #27128522 - 01/05/21 03:16 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I have read mixed reviews on whether psilocybin/psilocin are stable for storage when extracted into 80 proof (40% alcohol) vodka. Several things I have read online suggest that if kept in a dark place, a vodka extract could be kept for years with little loss of potency. ... But a book I have (The Psilocybin Chef Cookbook) suggests that a vodka extract should be used within a few *days*, because it will quickly lose its potency (whereas a 70% ethanol extraction will last much longer). Which of these is true? If I make some blue vodka and put it in the freezer, how long would it last? If it's not stable in vodka, can someone explain the chemistry behind why it won't last, and how quickly the magic juice will degrade?


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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: simplethings]
    #27129629 - 01/06/21 03:07 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Excellent question! Im not sure on the storage life but Im curious to hear about other peoples personal experiences.


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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27129805 - 01/06/21 07:05 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

i suggest use it soon as it is ready. if you leave it setting for a few days without stirring it will grow a nasty film and toss it then. otherwise you can use amber color cc vials to store it again i recommend give it a shake every 1-2 days.


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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: kanemush]
    #27130165 - 01/06/21 11:29 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I would guess almost literally forever as long as you keep it in a cabinet and at room temperature, as once things get pulled into ethanol, they are typically pretty stable. Also make sure its airtight

I do not have experience storing extract long term but I feel like it should be fine

Edit: I got confused I thought this was about just pure psilocybin in ethanol xD

Ignore my response


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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: skOsH] * 1
    #27131273 - 01/06/21 06:26 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

So last night, I tried some of the extract. I made it a couple of days ago by hand pulverizing 10.8 grams of dried shrooms, putting it into a pint mason jar, and filling it with 80 proof vodka. I let it sit for about 24 hours until it was a rich turquoise blue color, and then stored it in the freezer until last night (so another 24 hours in the freezer, after the initial extraction).






I measured out 200ml of the blue vodka, pouring it through a strainer to remove the solids, and made a screwdriver (ice + OJ + vodka) with it.





Needless to say, I got mighty fucked up lol ... but it didn't feel like I had ingested 5 grams, which it should have if there had been complete extraction into the vodka, given that there are 450 ml in a pint jar and I drank half of it. It felt more like a 2-3 gram trip. I'm guessing I probably should have just eaten the solids instead of removing them (I just put them back in the jar with the remaining blue juice, and added more vodka to do a second extraction).

I'm gonna try some more experiments. I'm gonna make another batch exactly the same, but eating half the solids as well as liquid. Then I'm gonna do one where I try storing it for a few weeks to see if it noticeably loses potency. I'll post updates :smile:


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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: simplethings]
    #27131542 - 01/06/21 07:50 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I could be completely wrong, so unless someone backs me up here just assume I made this up, but I have always heard that the blueing reaction is a result of the degradation of active compounds so maybe the issue is in the extraction itself rather than waiting too long to consume if the product is always blue :shrug:


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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: jesusfish] * 1
    #27131654 - 01/06/21 08:31 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

jesusfish said:
I could be completely wrong, so unless someone backs me up here just assume I made this up, but I have always heard that the blueing reaction is a result of the degradation of active compounds so maybe the issue is in the extraction itself rather than waiting too long to consume if the product is always blue :shrug:




That's correct.

Oxygen hitting the alks and breaking them down is why they turn blue.
You don't want that. If it's happening in liquid then it's losing strength. Good extract is a kind-of tan color. Not blue.

Alcohol will keep alks stable for years if you've extracted it properly and kept it in the dark.
Water will keep them stable if frozen-- but alks degrade very rapidly otherwise.
I've read trusted reports of 10 year old everclear extract that was still on point. That's 190 proof-- not the weak shit.

If your goal is extreme long term storage:
Cracker-drying the tissue and storing in the cool dark
Water boil extract then immediately freeze
Everclear 190-proof kept in the dark


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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: coAsTal]
    #27133851 - 01/07/21 07:33 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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coAsTal said:

Oxygen hitting the alks and breaking them down is why they turn blue.
You don't want that. If it's happening in liquid then it's losing strength. Good extract is a kind-of tan color. Not blue.

Alcohol will keep alks stable for years if you've extracted it properly and kept it in the dark.




What is it about the vodka that is causing the psilocin to oxidize so quickly? For instance, this doesn't happen when I make tea, so it doesn't seem to be the water ... and if Everclear works fine, then I'd assume it's not the ethanol ... I guess I just don't understand why vodka can't be used to extract the alkaloids without destroying them but either ethanol or water can?


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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: simplethings]
    #27133871 - 01/07/21 07:43 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Because vodka is half water it won't keep as long as Everclear.
Your water/tea extraction would also go bad if you left it out for a couple days-- but it's great if used quickly.
Lower proof alcohols can absolutely be used for effective extraction-- but since it can't be frozen it is less effective than going either all water or all alcohol and what you'll get is exactly what you got-- good for pulling and immediate/near/soon use but won't keep as long compared to Everclear or frozen water extracts.


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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: coAsTal]
    #27140269 - 01/10/21 05:40 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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coAsTal said:Lower proof alcohols can absolutely be used for effective extraction-- but since it can't be frozen it is less effective than going either all water or all alcohol and what you'll get is exactly what you got -- good for pulling and immediate/near/soon use




Assuming I was making some for same-day use, what would be the "sweet spot" as far as how long to let the shrooms sit in the vodka to maximize the amount extracted before it starts degrading a bunch of the psilocin? Thanks for explaining all this BTW!


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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: simplethings]
    #27140330 - 01/10/21 06:11 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Leave it there as long as possible the day of. Use as small of a container as will fit the total liquid/shroom-- the less air touching the liquid the better, as that's what oxidizes/degrades alks.

I have seen good extraction claimed in just 20 minutes in everclear or boiling water for tea, and others say they got weak sauce after 2-4 hours of soaking-- so if you're going to use it at night, I'd grind the shrooms to powder and soak starting in the AM the day of and let them soak sealed in the dark all day long, maybe shake it up every now and again, then just filter out the solids right before you consume.
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Re: Storage life of vodka shroom extract [Re: coAsTal]
    #27141923 - 01/11/21 12:10 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I have found that shroom/alcohol tincture in general doesn't last long. 

I did one with everclear (95% ethanol) and a couple weeks later it seemed to be ineffective.


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