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Kavva recommendations
    #27128413 - 01/05/21 02:17 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

So I got 25x extract of Kavva root. I curious as to how much is needed for sedation and what kinds of administrations are there for it?


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27129378 - 01/05/21 09:54 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I mixed up my bags of etheogens to try,  the Kavva is 70x extract.

I tried 1.5gs and felt a slight buzz but could be placebo.
Anyone on here try kava before?


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27130182 - 01/06/21 11:37 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Yeah I use it near daily

I find that if I combine kava with other relaxants, that the buzz becomes very strong

Mixing a small amount of thc with cbd, lion's mane, and kava, oh it feels good.

You can take kava concentrates sublingually but it burns a lot because it usually is extracted into ethanol

I mix mine with tea and slowly drink it


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: skOsH]
    #27130361 - 01/06/21 12:53 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Sadly for the short term I have to stick to 6 panel friendly stuff and I'm not risking cbd since is will degrade into THC over time.
I'll have to try lions mane, I'm about to have some fruit soon. I have mongolu bark powdered.

I tried about 1/2 a gram of 70x extract and let it sit in some warm ethanol for about 30-45 minutes than drank it, felt a little bit tired but I don't know if I took enough. I tried it a little while later with .5g og the bark and .5g of kavva, felt a little more drowsy but not really the level I was hoping for.  My main goal is to not drink till I'm black out drunk to go to sleep.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27130619 - 01/06/21 02:14 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I would aim to get the tea to basically taste like bark and be that color.

Yeah lion's mane is good for relaxation and isn't tested for

I think combing those two should give you enough of a body buzz to fall asleep with.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: skOsH]
    #27130678 - 01/06/21 02:34 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I'll bump it up tonight when I get off work.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: skOsH]
    #27131256 - 01/06/21 06:18 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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Yeah I use it near daily

I find that if I combine kava with other relaxants, that the buzz becomes very strong

Mixing a small amount of thc with cbd, lion's mane, and kava, oh it feels good.

You can take kava concentrates sublingually but it burns a lot because it usually is extracted into ethanol

I mix mine with tea and slowly drink it




oo yeah that's where I'm at.  50mg of CBD, a bit of kava around mid morning and afternoon, a mushroom compound suppment, maybe even a microdose of psilocybe and a bit of weed throughout the day.. I feel so much better.  kanna and the other supplements I take help too.

but oh boy it makes for a really calm, wonderful, but not overly sedated at all day to day combo.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27131315 - 01/06/21 06:42 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I just brewed up some tea like I mentioned and it's been sitting for about 30min, I'm going to drink it now.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27131370 - 01/06/21 07:02 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Not feeling anything. On an empty stomach, maybe I need to try 2g of each.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27131630 - 01/06/21 08:22 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

What is the kavalactone content in mg concentration?


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27131727 - 01/06/21 09:08 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

I don't know, probably 0mg per gram of material because I literally fell nothing. I ordered a Keaton extract that gets me buzzed but I use to manufacture opiates so obviously I'd feel any opiate agonanist.

I'll email them and ask what the mg by weight is.

PS I've been trying a substance called THP aka Tetrahydropalmatine and I can't tell if it affects me of not.  Taking the pure compound and it makes the mitragyne 50x extract fell wild.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27132256 - 01/07/21 06:10 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

700mg per g on the kava. So I took 1400mg and didn't feel much of anything.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27133220 - 01/07/21 03:26 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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700mg per g on the kava. So I took 1400mg and didn't feel much of anything.




they must mean 700mg of straight Kava kava powder.. which is really, really weak.  You can take like 5-6g of kava easily for a strong dosage.  Which means you'd have to take 8-10 of the capsules to get a real strong experience.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27133360 - 01/07/21 04:25 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

No, they said for the 70x extract powder. It's not in capsules, just powder in a big bag.
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Kava contains Kavalactones, not alkaloids. They are at a potency if 70%, so 70% of 1000mg would be 700mg per gram.



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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27133403 - 01/07/21 04:44 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Dude there's no way you took 1.4g of kavalactones and felt NOTHING.  If I take 400mg, I feel a strong sedation, almost enough to make me dizzy.  700mg would be enough to make me feel sick and have to lay down for a long time.  1.4g would be insane...

You must have a super bunk product.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27133451 - 01/07/21 05:07 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Would alcohol be an antagonist?


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27133817 - 01/07/21 07:19 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

I talked to someone today who uses Cava daily and was recommended that redosing after 20 minutes is the best way to feel effects. Anybody else have an opinion on this?


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27135052 - 01/08/21 11:38 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Have you tried making a tea out of the root powder?  I bought like a pound of the root powder and made the traditional drink a few times. Compared to the extract, the root powder tea is night and day. It just takes a few grams, is really easy to make, and you'll definitely feel it.  For me though, it keeps me awake. I can't sleep if I get a proper dose of kavalactones.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #27135112 - 01/08/21 12:02 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I make it in tea form, though you saying I should just do the root powder instead of the extract? I'm going to put in an order for more blue lotus so if you think the straight root would be better I'll try that.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27135260 - 01/08/21 01:08 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

The straight root works better IME.  Just soak it in warm water (not boiling) for 10 minutes or so. There's plenty out on the web about preparing the traditional brew.

I think there is a reverse tolerance too. The alcohol extracts did next to nothing for me. Then I experimented with root tea and I knew what to look for with the extracts.  I don't know the chemistry of kavalactones. But, it seems like the more processed they are, the weaker they are.

It's been a long time since I did anything with Kava though. I too, was using it to help me fall asleep. But, it had the opposite effect on me. So, I shelved it.

To me, it feels similar to alcohol. But, the mind space is more interesting and introspective. It feels very mildly psychedelic, less so than cannabis. I think the mind space is why it keeps me awake.

I hope you figure out a way to tackle insomnia. It can be a beast. :cheers:


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #27136682 - 01/09/21 12:45 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

4hodmt is right; root powder is most always better and more reliable then extracts.  There seems to be a massive legal market for kava extracts that have next to nothing in them for active ingredients.  Its quite hard to find quality kava extracts.  If you have money, gaia herbs extra strength kava extract is amazing.  Root powder takes time and effort to properly make into tea.

For blue lotus, you want quality flowers from Thailand. The stamens and the yellow inner leaves are the most potent parts.  It works very well smoked and well in a tea.  It compliments kava, a little cannabis, and some tobacco very well.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27171445 - 01/26/21 05:59 PM (3 years, 2 days ago)

Okay, I got some kavva root powder, no extract. Tried 3g last night and didn't didn't feel much. Just took 4g and I was told redosing is the key so I'm going to try another 4g in 15 minutes.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27171621 - 01/26/21 07:22 PM (3 years, 2 days ago)

I think 8g is the threshold for kavva root for me.  Felt slight tired sensation but possibly placebo. Gunna try two sets of 8g spaced 15 min apart.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27171864 - 01/26/21 09:23 PM (3 years, 1 day ago)

I had mild results with 3-6 capsules of Kava, a bit of relaxation and anxiety reduction. A light pleasant feeling, but nothing too significant. Felt like a very mild alcohol buzz. The last time I tried it I wanted to find out if it would be recreational if I pushed the dose so I took something like 12 or 13 capsules, taking 2 at a time over the course of 4 or 5 hours. I was thinking since it's similar in effects to alcohol that I might get a more intense feeling akin to being drunk. But nope. I didn't feel much more than I did with 6 capsules, and then throughout the night and into the next morning I had extreme difficulty urinating. Sooooo suffice to say I'm not gonna do that again.

Maybe I would have had better results had I used good quality kava tea instead of the capsules I got off the shelf from the health food store, but with the stuff I had the light doses weren't anything to write home about and pushing the dose had more negative side effects than positive effects. I'd probably try it again if I knew for sure I had high quality stuff, but it's not high on my to-do list.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: eggopm3]
    #27171952 - 01/26/21 10:21 PM (3 years, 1 day ago)

8g I felt very mild sedation. I can distinguish from placebo but I will try 2 administrations of 10g or 15g dosages to get desirable results.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27172545 - 01/27/21 09:22 AM (3 years, 1 day ago)

Tried kava kava extract in pills from mybe Germany years ago, they were pretty good, relaxing after taking two. Got some powder from Fiji or somewhere like that and made tea, a bit stronger but pretty much the same to my untrained eye. I really liked it, the numb tingly tongue, ease of muscle tension, a bit more sociable. Sorry can't help source but best bet get from Hawaii or similar.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: MetalSlug]
    #27172569 - 01/27/21 09:31 AM (3 years, 1 day ago)

I'm curious if there's an enzyme responsible for making into an active compound like how some people can metabolize codeine in to morphine while others con almost completely lack that ability.

I gave 4g to my GF and she couldn't stand and was saying she felt sick. While I took 16g last night,  8g than waited 10 min and another 8g and felt literally nothing.

Is there any evidence of this? I bought this up in some other discussions where I see some similar circumstances of some people taking god doses and feeling nothing while other people say its a sedative as a full blown opiat or alcohol.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: MetalSlug]
    #27172905 - 01/27/21 12:51 PM (3 years, 1 day ago)

Its the kavalactones if I remember, the powder maybe has other compounds. I got the feeling that the first few times you try it will have a big effect, and then build a 'tolerance' not sure if right word. I never took a huge dose, but I think after a certain point any more does not do anything. Like saturated the receptors or something.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: MetalSlug]
    #27172953 - 01/27/21 01:16 PM (3 years, 1 day ago)

I've definitely not built up a tolerance, first time taking kavva in a month+


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27173419 - 01/27/21 06:57 PM (3 years, 1 day ago)

It has a reverse tolerance.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27173429 - 01/27/21 07:02 PM (3 years, 1 day ago)

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8g I felt very mild sedation. I can distinguish from placebo but I will try 2 administrations of 10g or 15g dosages to get desirable results.




With good kava root powder brewed properly, I would get good effects from 14g in one cup of tea.  How are you brewing it?  Don't use too hot of water.. like 160 or less is best.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27174082 - 01/28/21 06:27 AM (3 years, 13 hours ago)

Not hot, room temp.

Sounds like I need to do 16g doses instead of 8g.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27174350 - 01/28/21 10:45 AM (3 years, 9 hours ago)

Hello all.

I'm a long time lurker and fairly new shroomery member. I figured I should chime in on this since Kava is something I am very passionate about. I have been a moderate to heavy user of the actual root powder for about 3 years now and tinkered around with the extracts and capsules for a couple years before that. I will try to summarize everything I know and give links to more info.

1. I can tell you hands down that actual root powder, prepared properly, is hands down the best way to use Kava. The first time I did this, I was blown away at the strength. I never felt anything even comparable to this from any extracts or capsules or even instant Kava.
2. Do your research on the history and safety and come to your own reasonable conclusions. Look at actual peer reviewed research papers and not WebMD. Keep in mind that the root(only roots are safe fyi) has been safely used for over 3,000 years in Polynesia and Miconesia.
3. Buy Noble variety Kava from reputable vendors. It is not necessarily cheap, but you want to be safe.
4. A few of the best vendors are https://nakamalathome.com/ , https://www.bulakavahouse.com/ , https://squanchkava.com/ , https://www.getkavafied.com/ , https://kavamamastore.com/
5. You have to buy a proper kava straining bag and learn how to properly prepare it. I prefer the blend and strain method or the traditional kneading in a bag in a bowl method. Use about 30-40 grams(4-5 tablespoons) of traditional/medium grind, noble powder and do two washes of about 12-16 ounces each. There are plenty of videos on this. I blend for about 3 minutes each wash or knead for about 5-7 minutes each wash. Make sure to filter well! Combine washes for even potency. Drink about 4-6 ounces every 20-30 minutes until you reach as "kavafied" as you want to get. Be careful. Getting the spins or way overly intoxicated is very possible. I know this is hard to believe if all you have had are capsules, but trust me. Sometimes reverse tolerance does come into play so be patient and try it a few days in a row. When it finally hits, you will be astonished.
6. There is a very rich history, culture, and current community surrounding kava use and ceremony. I would dare say as much or more so than shroomery/psychedelics. Check out kavaforums.com or a Facebook page or two.
7. Kava completely revolutionized my mental health and helped me completely quit drinking alcohol. It is a far superior substance, without addictive potential. Hangovers are rare and nowhere near what alcohol or other drugs can cause.
8. I am no doctor so am not making any recommendations of use, but am sharing what I personally do.
9. For me, the only side effects are occasional nausea(drink on mostly empty stomach), dehydration(Kava is a strong diuretic), and dry skin(research this).
10. Unfortunately Kava is illegal in several countries(for bullshit reasons), but surprisingly completely legal in backwards ass USA lol. We even have Kava bars in several cities.
11.Other links:

https://kavasociety.nz/ , https://www.reddit.com/r/Kava/ , https://blog.bulakavahouse.com/2015/01/14/kava-preparation/

12. Good luck, do your research, and be safe!


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: KabeDardee]
    #27174573 - 01/28/21 01:01 PM (3 years, 6 hours ago)

Ah, do you need a bunch to feel it. I'll try 30g tonight when I get home.


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