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Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts?
    #27128082 - 01/05/21 12:05 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I don't know about you guys, but I stream all the time especially big events. Ufc to be exact.

Not sure if you heard, but dana white has "a big surprise" for anyone streaming the big event.

I'm sure it's amained more towards establishments that stream for large crowds, but I'm still curious. I mean, what could he possibly do...

https://www.outkick.com/dana-white-illegal-streamers/


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27128090 - 01/05/21 12:08 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I illegally fished in a stream once does that count ?


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Zombi3]
    #27128093 - 01/05/21 12:10 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Yes.. that is the worst type of streaming one can do.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27128095 - 01/05/21 12:11 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Does it count if I didn’t catch anything


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Zombi3]
    #27128101 - 01/05/21 12:13 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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I illegally fished in a stream once does that count ?




Wow you’re a horrible person calling the authorities right now!!  Jk... unless??? Nah jk

But honestly for any of us the only effect it has is possibly saving us some money lol. But for them they’re losing out on thousands of dollars which obviously wouldn’t make them happy. I feel the only way they could target streamers(twitch/YouTube) would be to either have something constantly in the frame that would go against ToS or partner with them and hire people to hunt the streams


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27128109 - 01/05/21 12:16 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Dana white is one of the worlds all time biggest douches. He's so greedy it's absurd.

He's bluffing.

As for streaming.. I have mixed feelings. I personally don't care much because I don't stream anything and don't watch much TV at all anyway. However, it is kinda necessary to have a large amount of money to truly make products that are very high quality.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Fungi Rogers]
    #27128112 - 01/05/21 12:17 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I pay for both Disney+ and Netflix cuz I mean, consume and binge


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Zombi3]
    #27128122 - 01/05/21 12:22 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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I pay for both Disney+ and Netflix cuz I mean, consume and binge




Favorite thing to watch after consuming?


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Fungi Rogers]
    #27128184 - 01/05/21 12:46 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

A business such as a sports bar or restaurant getting the license to show a big fight might cost the place 2-3K per event.  Not surprised some places use residential licenses or just pirate a stream. Don't think it's a bluff though.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #27128253 - 01/05/21 01:16 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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A business such as a sports bar or restaurant getting the license to show a big fight might cost the place 2-3K per event.  Not surprised some places use residential licenses or just pirate a stream. Don't think it's a bluff though.



What could he possibly do? Was there any indication the person he was threatening was anything but a random person?


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: metalfaith] * 1
    #27128303 - 01/05/21 01:37 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

There was a new US law that was going to make illegal streaming for profit a felony. Not sure if that is now in effect.


There is nothing that people pay to watch a live stream of that I care about in the first place. I don't give the slightest shit about any live sports broadcasts. I pay for a few services like Netflix and Disney plus, and occasionally I pirate stuff that is not available on those.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: psi]
    #27128481 - 01/05/21 02:58 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Well I'll def be streaming UFC so I can watch mcgregor beat the piss out of poirier. It will only be my wife and I watching though. No crowds. There's no way I'll ever shell out 70+ just to watch that shit at home.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Zombi3]
    #27128487 - 01/05/21 02:59 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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Does it count if I didn’t catch anything



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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Texas Honey Badger]
    #27128723 - 01/05/21 04:49 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

This include cracked streams and the like?


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: metalfaith]
    #27128774 - 01/05/21 05:08 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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A business such as a sports bar or restaurant getting the license to show a big fight might cost the place 2-3K per event.  Not surprised some places use residential licenses or just pirate a stream. Don't think it's a bluff though.



What could he possibly do? Was there any indication the person he was threatening was anything but a random person?



It's many people, generally. Illegal sports streams are pretty widespread, many locations cannot afford to actually pay for the license required to stream to large groups of people because it doesn't bring in nearly the amount of money as is worth actually airing it. Many bars do it.

As far as what you can do about it, if it's illegal in a certain location to do so, then it's really just a matter of identifying the people doing it. I'm assuming they'll use some kind of digital data signature to link specific addresses to illegally streaming without paying. They'll do it for movies sent to reviewers to determine who produced a leak for example.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #27128901 - 01/05/21 05:51 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I think the statement is based around targetting people who are ignorant of the capabilities of technology. Getting computer viruses from watching a stream is simply preposterous.

Possibly they might set up their own illegal stream and record IP connections to try and prosecute later on, this sort of shit has been done with torrents in the past. A private VPN would combat those tracking abilities to a huge extent, only NSA level tech guys have a small chance of getting around that.

Personally I pirate everything I watch, I have zero services connected to my screen, not even free to air TV. My internet is not stable or fast enough to justify paying for a subscription to anything, and all the good programs come out a year later in my country anyway. Can thank greedy motherfuckers with different agendas for making all of that just so.

If the services were provided to me on par with the rest of the world at a reasonable price I would consider paying for it. As it is pirate bay and yts are more reliable, up to date and better functioning than any legal avenue available to me.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Northerner]
    #27129110 - 01/05/21 07:16 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I wouldn't have been able to binge the rest of X-Files after it was taken off Netflix without free streaming sites.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #27129270 - 01/05/21 08:53 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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I wouldn't have been able to binge the rest of X-Files after it was taken off Netflix without free streaming sites.



Yeah, many classic films and shows only exist for the public in piratespace.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #27129278 - 01/05/21 08:56 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I'm only still paying for Netflix because I wanted to see Cobra Kai season 3, I don't watch it very much, it's not really worth it. I like pirate bay, it's more for new stuff, a lot of stuff I want to see doesn't have any seeds anymore. I also sometimes pay for month membership to illegal download sites like http://www.myduckisdead.org/


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: viraldrome]
    #27129302 - 01/05/21 09:06 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

How about a stream of piss?


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27129438 - 01/05/21 10:47 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I think it is bad mkay


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #27129582 - 01/06/21 01:38 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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I'm only still paying for Netflix because I wanted to see Cobra Kai season 3, I don't watch it very much, it's not really worth it. I like pirate bay, it's more for new stuff, a lot of stuff I want to see doesn't have any seeds anymore. I also sometimes pay for month membership to illegal download sites like http://www.myduckisdead.org/



Some torrents if you just queue them seeds show up after a while. I would love to join a private tracker but I can't seed enough with my shitty ass internet connection and will get banned pretty quick.
Rarbg can be good as well. I sorely miss Demonoid. Just vanished... owner is suspected passed away.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #27129608 - 01/06/21 02:21 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Demonoid was best but I could never get anyone to give me a fucking invite for it.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #27129726 - 01/06/21 05:32 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Remember napster and limewire? I would spend a whole day putting an exact cd together just to match the retail version.

Once I learned about TPB and Demonoid it was over. I had 1000s of movies and shows. I would take requests and get to grinding. Around halloween I'd even sell these horror movie packs that consisted of some of the top scary movies. The most popular of the bunch was my zombie pack. All black and white or original?

:lolsy:

Even got a letter from the MPAA... But.. I feel like it was a scam..

I received a letter saying they contacted my ISP and locked out my pc. I then had to let them remotely connect so I could prove I no longer had that service.

Fuck... That wasn't real...

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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27129952 - 01/06/21 09:50 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

i think i love yall :manofapproval:


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: zZZz]
    #27130189 - 01/06/21 11:40 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

:wellhellothere:


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27130486 - 01/06/21 01:29 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Back in 2009 I downloaded THOUSANDS of classical music pieces from the pirate Bay and other torrent sites. My idea was to recreate the classical music radio station but without commercials. Well it's even better than the radio station because I have tons of baroque and classical period pieces that they don't play on the radio.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27131582 - 01/06/21 08:07 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Its a big peice of shit, cant even listen to songs with someone hundreds of miles away because its so strict


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27323299 - 05/26/21 12:37 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I'm thinking I need to know sites I can do it with!


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27323505 - 05/26/21 05:43 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

a great speech is `Copyright Vs Community` by Richard Stallman



basically copyright is an outdated idea created in the age of the printing press, at the time it protected Authors without harming consumers, but both those points are not really true anymore


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: gopher]
    #27323513 - 05/26/21 06:09 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I stream certain events. I tried paying for a subscription service for one of the events but the service was so bad there was no way I was going to shell out $80 for it each year. When the free illegal streams work more reliably than the paid service there is an issue. I pay for Hulu and my 5 year old bought a year of Disney + without my permission lol. I also pay for one dedicated streaming package for a sport event that cannot be streamed illegally, it is only broadcast via their streaming service, never on TV. The service works great though, and I like to support the sport, so I am cool with it. I am also setup to record free over the air transmission, which I really like for Jeopardy, late night talks shows, and football games. Football games are so atrociously drawn out that I refuse to watch them if I can’t skip through the commercials and bullshit.

I am going to get rid of Hulu and Disney soon. I have no need for them. I have Amazon prime through work, it’s not great, and Amazon got rid of their two day shipping policy so I might axe that too.

Torrenting isn’t what it used to be, many of the streaming services have gotten good enough that people would rather just pay (though as the market gets muddier and more split up that trend will reverse). That said, if you really want to get pirated content and do so reliably and cheaply, Usenet services are the way to go. There are no seeding requirements and you don’t have to wait on seeders because the services are managed professionally. Usenet won’t help with live streams though, not in my experience anyways.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: christopera]
    #27323527 - 05/26/21 06:29 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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When the free illegal streams work more reliably than the paid service there is an issue




This is how I feel about Free vs proprietary software sometimes, not that Free Software is illegal, but it tends to have less feature creep, so its easier to use,  does what you want without getting in the way with a kazillion icons to click


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Torrenting isn’t what it used to be, many of the streaming services have gotten good enough that people would rather just pay (though as the market gets muddier and more split up that trend will reverse).




qft, the more fractured the streaming services get, people wont want to pay $5-$10 per service when they need like 20+ services, thats why netflix did so well when it was the only one, it was really easier than torrenting

also people tend not to like have to deal with storage and organization of files on their drive, they rather re-download (stream) the same movie every time they want to watch it, then have it on their drive once, I wonder how much bandwidth could be saved if everyone just torrented any media they were going to watch more than once, rather than netflix or spotify it

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Usenet




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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: gopher]
    #27323559 - 05/26/21 07:28 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I have 24tb of storage. I could use a bit more but not a lot more. Though file sizes keep growing. A nice high quality movie is like 45gb now. This isn’t practical for very many people, so torrenting/Usenet isn’t practical for the vast majority.

Here’s a decent article on torrents and Usenet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.harveydelaney.com/switching-from-torrents-to-usenet-the-why-and-how/amp/


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: christopera]
    #27323568 - 05/26/21 07:36 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I just grabbed the 1-2gb 720p torrents, I dont need the raw dvd/br image, the quality was good enough for me


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: gopher]
    #27323585 - 05/26/21 07:48 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

A raw file is going to be 200gb or more for most movies these days. I agree that in many cases, especially older films or shows, the smaller file sizes are just fine. It’s the 4K HRD with big audio that gets you into trouble.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: gopher]
    #27323633 - 05/26/21 08:29 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I used to pirate a lot of shows and movies and kept a lot of hard drives going for that. But eventually many of the drives died and it felt like a waste. Some of the shows I painstakingly saved before are now on Netflix anyway.


With music I often try to download FLAC or rip to FLAC. But with video I have no reason to bother with super high quality stuff.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: psi]
    #27323670 - 05/26/21 09:04 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I still use lime wire and at times, Napster.


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    #27323674 - 05/26/21 09:06 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: psi]
    #27323742 - 05/26/21 10:15 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I managed to get into a private trading community for music. Epic content and quality. Torrenting can’t compare.

I haven’t tried usenet sources for music, but I am increasingly thinking I should.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: christopera]
    #27323768 - 05/26/21 10:38 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I downloaded stuff with usenet for a bit in the early 00s but never with a paid server, just whatever crap one the ISP had. I always thought the redundancy element with parity files was cool though. And that it's a one-way transfer.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: psi]
    #27323779 - 05/26/21 10:45 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I tend to think streaming is a waste of time compared to getting a digital copy seeing as you're downloading it one way or another. Not everything is downloadable, or streamable, but I get basically everything I can/want. I justify my pirating by purchasing stuff I downloaded periodically. I keep redundant drives in case of failures.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #27323790 - 05/26/21 10:53 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

What about ironic hard drives instead of redundant?


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27323802 - 05/26/21 11:05 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: backups dude. Absolutely necessary when one could hypothetically have thousands of dollars worth of media


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #27323822 - 05/26/21 11:37 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I tend to think streaming is a waste of time compared to getting a digital copy seeing as you're downloading it one way or another.




Streaming takes the same amount of time as watching the movie though. I see no downside to re-watching the same thing on Netflix. If my ISP charged extra for the traffic then sure. I have no patience for those scammy pirate streaming sites though, those are definitely a waste of time.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: psi]
    #27323839 - 05/26/21 11:56 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I don't have the best internet currently, which probably makes a difference but I've always thought that too.. I've been pirating since I was 15 I think. Streaming can be great, I have a Netflix subscription, but the smaller sites can be pretty crap even if they seem to be the only way to watch some things. Can't pirate everything. Would if I could though.


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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #27323890 - 05/26/21 12:58 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy

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Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)

If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”

A US judge, presiding over a trial for copyright infringement, recognized that “piracy” and “theft” are smear words.




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Re: Illegally streaming... What are your thoughts? [Re: gopher]
    #27323928 - 05/26/21 01:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Does no one use Pandora?


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