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DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach
    #27127729 - 01/05/21 08:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Prefacing the experience, I had gotten a hold of 600mg of pure DXM gel caps a few months ago and had been eager to explore a second plateau experience. As a side note, the salvia was not at all contemplated, in fact I had never had a successful salvia experience before this experiment.

The dose of DXM was 240mg, a low second plateau dose for someone of my weight (65kg), and was irregularly dosed as I decided I wasn't "feeling it" and assumed redosing would be prudent.

As for the salvia, it was 2g of dired leaf prepared in a mortar and pestle with a few drops of lime juice and glycerin to form a stiff paste.

T-0:00
I was home alone in the evening after a long ass day so I gulped down 3 30mg gel caps of DXM. Twenty minutes afterwards I took  the other 3 to make for my planned dose of 180mg. I spent the next few minutes reading trip reports for low dose DXM and realized that I may have taken too little to actually enjoy the experience. As such my only intention was to listen to music which, I had heard, was marvellously enjoyable on DXM.

T-1:00
An hour had gone by and a slight drunk-stoned sensation had come over me, yet it was very slight. So much so, that any distraction, however small, was enough to overpower it. So I took out my gel caps and took another two making up a total of 240mg. I decided to make that my limit as it was my first time.

T-2:00
I was starting to feel the effects pile up on eachother, a rather subtle heaviness mixed in with a strange under water sensation. It seemed like the right time to put on some tunes, so I slipped on my headphones and tuned in to one of my trusty playlists. I can't really say it sounded any different, if anything a damped version of the enhanced auiditory acuity you get on LSD and psilocybin; gaining the ability to notice some of the less prominent features in the music. I spent the next few hours switching among some of my favorite artists: Pink Floyd, Tool, Djo, Mac DeMarco, Shpongle, Crumb, Radiohead, etc. Yet I was becoming increasingly disappointed with the effects.

A few days beforehand I had recieved an order of dried salvia leaves that I had been intending to try with a friend of mine. Recalling this, I decided to look up methods for buccal administration of dried leaf since I had tried the traditional quid method and failed before. I came across an old DMT Nexus forum post by a user called Zebbie, he argued that the potency  and efficiency of dried leaf in buccal administration could be improved by grinding the leaf with a a few drops of vinegar and glycerin. My interest was piqued.

T-3:45
Enough time had gone by that I was convinced I would feel no further effects from the DXM, so I might as well see if Zebbie was on to something or if it was all hot air. I opened up the new baggie of dried leaves and weighed a single gram with my DMT scale. I crushed it with my hand into the mortar and began beating it with the pestle, slowly adding a few drops of glycerin and a squeeze of a fresh lime. On top of this I decided to add a bit of honey since the taste was probably going to be pretty terrible, I also recalled that glucose was absorbed through the oral mucosa and had a hunch (unjustified as it may have been) that this could improve the transport of salvinorin A through the mucuous membranes.

Once the paste was done I gathered it up with a small spoon and shoved it into my mouth, realizing instantly that the honey had done little to ameliorate the bitterness. I spread it throughout my mouth with the aid of my tongue making sure to cover every surface. All at once saliva flooded into my mouth and I alternated between swishing and crushing the plant matter. The taste was definitely a struggle and I repeatedly wondered why I was going through this for something that mightn't even work. So I spent the next fifteen minutes reluctantly swishing this bitter conction in my mouth when I realized there was something funny going on. My mouth was more or less moving of its own accord. More than this though I became aware of a swirling sensation, as if I were being drained into a vortex of some description.

I continued to swish and my mind began to loop: "Is this it?", "Am I feeling it". I was in fact "feeling it". Yet the onset was so sneaky and subtle that I failed to register it. After about 20 minutes I swallowed the spit and was much relieved of no longer having my mouth full, as I felt I would be soon drooling. I realized then that the music I was hearing was, much to my surprize, extremely pleasant.

So I picked out one of my favorite Pink Floyd pieces: Echoes. And began to ride the ripples of emotion being cast by the slow but profound introduction. I closed my eyes and became dully aware of something I had never felt before on any other substance. The music manifested itself as a substance, a fluid capable of carrying me through the crests and valleys present in the deeper vibrations. I was suddenly compelled to dance, and dance I did. It flowed through me like music never had before, it carried me through unseen caverns and down turbulent waterfalls, I was helpless to resist this ever shifting gravitational pull.

It ocurred to me then that if one gram of salvia could do this, then what might a second one be capable of eliciting? So on I went to pound another g into more heavenly ecstasy powder and scooped it into my mouth once again. I swished and chewed and once more at the fifteen minute mark came a doubling down of this gravitational vortex pulling me into unknown pleasures. This time I could not fathom moving, the room became simultaneously larger yet somehow infinitely more close and intimate, the colors took on an almost cartoonish feature and the furniture became eerily famlilar, as if I were accompanied by old friends. Now the music sunk to new depths, I curled into a ball and let myself be swung to and fro, up and down, by this wandering force at a distance; imagining I had become a planet and was experiencing the tidal pull from faraway satellites.

T-5:30
By now the effects were wearing off, yet there remained this pleasant inebriation, this swinging of my frame of reference that I found perfectly suited for falling asleep. So I slipped into bed and closed my eyes, waiting to slide into dreamland, assured that this would all be over in the morning.

T-9:00
I was wrong.

I awoke, feeling somewhat the same yet there was something new. A tingling, electricity, pins and needles, who knows what to call it. It was tact sensitive beyond what I imagined possible, even within psychedelics. My fingers rolled over the sheets like a breeze over hills, they felt immense and I could resolve every detail. Whats more, everything I felt stung, shocked, it created a feeling of buzzing and vibrating and I must admit it was far from pleasant. I felt as if I were suspended in a static field, stimulated beyon respite. The only solution I thought, was to wait, so I listened to some music while it subsided and fortunately it worked, about an hour later I fell asleep once more.

I woke up early next day, severely sleep deprived. I had a headache and my body felt raw, yet somehow it felt good. I was happy and i didn't really know why, so i just chalked it up to the afterglow effect. On the other hand I regretted mixing DXM and salvia on my first time trying them. Not only was this dangerous, but I had no idea which substance caused what, or if the experience had been a fortuitous interaction between both substances. In any case I hope to try both of them by themselves sometime in the future and see what I can learn of their unique effects.


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: PetzRex]
    #27127773 - 01/05/21 09:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Nice trip report, sounds like everything more or less worked out. My tripping days are behind me as far as I know, but it's always interesting reading about someone else's experience.


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: PetzRex]
    #27127894 - 01/05/21 10:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Lol salvia and dxm, the high school special. There ia a reason these drugs are readily available.


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: longbus]
    #27127976 - 01/05/21 11:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

TLDR

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Shouldn’t this be in the trip report forum?


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: Zombi3]
    #27127998 - 01/05/21 11:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ayy you're right. Sorry sort of new here, I'll see if I can move it.


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: PetzRex]
    #27128041 - 01/05/21 11:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don’t care where you post it lolz
I’m just racking up shitpost countz lolz

Welcome to purgatory lolz

I saw entities during a 4th plateau DXM experience that were very reminiscent of DMT entities but it felt like a K-Hole and I was hungover for 2 days maybe more.

Weird shit!


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: Zombi3]
    #27128221 - 01/05/21 01:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Dxm is bullshit.

I went to a live david icke event on 2 bottles or robo and had to leave halfway through. I sat in the streets and people looked at me like i was homeless.


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: PetzRex]
    #27128258 - 01/05/21 01:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia is a substance that doesn't want to be used by people. I did a lot of salvia, I just kept going back to that place until finally the salvia showed me some real shit. The salvia said "hey you, wanna see something?" And then I broke through hard. It was terrifying, it shook me, and I never touched the stuff again. It's not really there to make you laugh, it has its own agenda.


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
    #27128298 - 01/05/21 01:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What would you say is it’s agenda?


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: Amanita86]
    #27128368 - 01/05/21 02:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't really know. I definitely think it's a conscious plant, it's connected to so much more than humans will ever understand. It's like if you drank the tears of a giant, to you it's just drinking water but to the giant it's so much more, it's sadness and loss and pain, but to tiny little you it just serves as a quick drink. I think mushrooms and cannabis want to be used by people, I think they crave it the entire time they grow, but salvia wants to be left alone to do whatever the fuck it's doing on a cosmic level.


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
    #27128395 - 01/05/21 02:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I got the feeling it just wanted to be approached in an appropriate manner.  Maybe the ‘spirit’ really is female in that regard but I’ve found if you keep it respectful you don’t get the extract horror stories that have given salvia it’s reputation in some places.

I’ve read stories though about how the Oaxaca people thought it’s insane we burn it etc etc..  I’ve kinda become the plain leaf proponent it seems..


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: Amanita86]
    #27128419 - 01/05/21 02:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That's interesting. I never tried the pure leaf, only the 40X and 60X extracts of the "purple sticky" brand. At first it just made me laugh a lot. But the last time I smoked it out of a gravity bong, and I saw really powerful visions that completely overtook my sight.


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
    #27128431 - 01/05/21 02:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Amanita86 once said salvia plants are individuals. I agree with this statement despite the lack of biodiversity among them. They rarely propagate via seed and I honestly don’t know if anyone has successfully grown a Salvia d. plant from seed at home. I’ve never heard of anyone being able to produce viable seeds. Not even in wild patches.

I think Salvia d. was bread by an ancient civilization possibly interbred between 2 different species. It’s only ever been found in one location in Mexico where the Aztecs would have had access too. No botanist to date has been able to definitively identify wether it’s a unique species, a highly inbred species, cultigen, or hybrid.

Just like the lost history of the great pyramids in Egypt I don’t think the history of the Salvia d. plant is written anywhere. So much has been lost from the Aztec empire. The Mazetecs have been keeping wild populations of the plant alive via cloning for so long it’s possible they don’t even know it’s true history anymore.

It’s something we’ll likely never fully understand.


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: Zombi3]
    #27128544 - 01/05/21 03:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ya can't really say I felt the DXM per sé, but I've read some pretty wild shit on erowid.


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Re: DXM and Salvia divinorum: A first Approach [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
    #27128558 - 01/05/21 03:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure I agree. I believe buccal administration is definitely a waaay gentler experience than smoked extracts. This experience was something I'd surely try again.

I can see how smoking 40x and 60x is very likely a terrible way to approach salvia. Sort of the equivalent of taking 10 hits of acid on your first time.


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