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Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers?
    #27128014 - 01/05/21 11:35 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I understand that the best way to prezerve your shrooms is to keep them in an air tight container, with silica gel desiccant and cotton wool etc.

As an additional way to preserve the potency, I thought maybe I can fill the glass jar with CO2. This would reduce the oxygen content and help prevent oxidation even better.

Has anyone done this and what would be the best way to get some CO2 into the jar?  I can buy canisters that are used to make carbonated drinks, just wondering if there is a device that can be used to expel the CO2 from the canisters.


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: GermanShaman] * 1
    #27128032 - 01/05/21 11:43 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

ziplocks or jars work just fine.
If you really want to go balls deep, just get a vacuum machine.


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: Haywire]
    #27128045 - 01/05/21 11:50 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I have the 140 buck vacuum sealer from Sam's club. Works great.


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: GermanShaman]
    #27128181 - 01/05/21 12:45 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I read a paper posted here a couple weeks ago (can't for the life of me find it now) that used various storing methods for a set period and then tested for potency, and it concluded that, if your crop is dried and in a sealed container, light is the most deleterious factor to potency.  The study authors said whole dried shrooms in glass jars with a rubber gasket seal kept in the dark was the best way to preserve them.

Shrooms in jars reabsorbed less atmospheric water over time than even vacuum sealed ones, apparently.

I think CO2 is probably unnecessary since moisture and light seem to be the biggest problems.


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: Marxcelium]
    #27128319 - 01/05/21 01:43 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I didn't mention I store the vacuum sealed bags in a sealed tub lol.


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: GermanShaman]
    #27128466 - 01/05/21 02:51 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Vacuum-sealed with desiccant packets is probably the best way. U can buy bicycle tire inflator kits that use CO2 as propellant if you really wanna try a CO2 method.


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27128549 - 01/05/21 03:27 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Here's that study if there's any interest:

https://sci-hub.se/10.1002/dta.2950

Skimming it again, I'm not terribly confident that the methodology is airtight, but it's an interesting data point at least.


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: Marxcelium] * 1
    #27128713 - 01/05/21 04:43 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

thanks guys.

at the moment I store mine in large glass jars, about half full of silca gel beads, place the shrooms in coffee filter paper and then on top of them I place a sanitary pad ( they are highly absorbant of moisture), then place a thick piece of cotton wool on top before sealing the jar. I also place a couple of fresh tampons inside the jar near the shrooms so that the environment is kept super dry. And of course the jars are in a dark box.

I read that Oxygen is also an enemy of potency, causing oxidation. So I thought as an additional step perhaps putting CO2 in the jar would help even more.

I did not realise that you can get bike pressurises that fill the tyres with CO2. Maybe I could look into those.


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: GermanShaman] * 1
    #27128759 - 01/05/21 05:03 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

My god, that's pretty extensive. A future generation is gonna discover your shrooms after the apocalypse and they'll still be potent. :wink:


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: GermanShaman]
    #27128829 - 01/05/21 05:24 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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GermanShaman said:
thanks guys.

at the moment I store mine in large glass jars, about half full of silca gel beads, place the shrooms in coffee filter paper and then on top of them I place a sanitary pad ( they are highly absorbant of moisture), then place a thick piece of cotton wool on top before sealing the jar. I also place a couple of fresh tampons inside the jar near the shrooms so that the environment is kept super dry. And of course the jars are in a dark box.

I read that Oxygen is also an enemy of potency, causing oxidation. So I thought as an additional step perhaps putting CO2 in the jar would help even more.

I did not realise that you can get bike pressurises that fill the tyres with CO2. Maybe I could look into those.




Jesus how long do you intend to store your shrooms? Are they going in a time capsule or something?


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #27128843 - 01/05/21 05:26 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Half gallon jar + 2 silica packets. Mine never stay in "storage" for long though.


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: Marxcelium]
    #27128845 - 01/05/21 05:27 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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My god, that's pretty extensive. A future generation is gonna discover your shrooms after the apocalypse and they'll still be potent. :wink:




:lol:

Thats some serious long-term storage! :eek:


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: Marxcelium]
    #27132433 - 01/07/21 08:40 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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Marxcelium said:
Here's that study if there's any interest:

https://sci-hub.se/10.1002/dta.2950

Skimming it again, I'm not terribly confident that the methodology is airtight, but it's an interesting data point at least.



Nice pun :grin:

Though I agree about it probably not being as useful as you remember. I believe they just varied light and temperature, but not other conditions. And the unfortunate result of that study is that the storage conditions make a difference for the first few weeks, but after 15 months all storage conditions degrade similarly.

I'd also be interested in whether purging with an inert gas could prevent degradation. But without a lab, a cheap vacuum sealer might do as well, since purging would not remove the oxygen among the powder. Unless you put the spout at the bottom of the bag and shook it around...


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27132933 - 01/07/21 01:17 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

My concern with stuffing my mushroom jars with paper filters/cotton/tampons (lol) would be that they may absorb the moisture in the air but would still retain it inside the jar which doesn't reduce the amount of moisture. Instead, it would just create 'wet' spots. Maybe I'm wrong about that though.

To use a CO2 cartridge, I would get a whipped cream cracker (the same thing you can do whippets out of...or make whipped cream I suppose lol) and use a whole cartridge per quart jar but I don't think this would be as effective as it would seem.

When I purge a keg of homebrew with CO2 to eliminate Oxygen, there is maybe 2 quarts of headspace in the keg and I have to purge at 15psi about 8 times to eliminate the Oxygen by ~95%. There are several charts about purge cycles and residual Oxygen. If I find one again I'll post it. Long rant short, I think it would just be a waste of CO2 time and money unless you could do it in a pressurized container.

Put your fruits in a mason jar along with a couple silica packets and call it a day. Even the plastic vacuum bags are permeable to Oxygen. Cheers, mate.


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Re: Best way to store dried shrooms. CO2 dispensers? [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27133874 - 01/07/21 07:44 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I think you're saying not to go out and buy a vacuum sealer. But if you or a friend already has one, by all means use it! It will reduce oxygen and moisture by 95%, and new oxygen ingress will take some time (I think).

You can get high barrier vacuum seal bags. I don't know where to buy these, but they are a better oxygen barrier. Putting a bag within a bag within a bag would also reduce oxygen ingress by 2/3. Or best yet, press out the air and seal the vacuum bag within a mylar bag, since mylar is very strong against oxygen ingress. The oxygen in the mylar bag will come to equilibrium with the oxygen in the vacuum bag, but new oxygen won't enter the system at a very high rate.


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