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OfflinePhony Phone

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Some pins refuse to grow up * 1
    #27126070 - 01/04/21 12:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)





Any ideas why those small guys wont grow as big/fast as their bigger siblings? This tub is cased with 50/50 peat verm. Watered with a syringe around them once after flush, they remain the same. they dont look like aborts.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: Phony Phone]
    #27126086 - 01/04/21 12:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You will have some fruits that become full mature sporulating adults.
You will have some that abort which will not get to full size.
These remain small, become dark blue, and get a little spikey tip on its cap.
Some say aborts are more potent, but there are mixed views on this.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #27126151 - 01/04/21 01:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They are not aborts, not yet at least. And I'm looking for ways to correct this.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: Phony Phone] * 1
    #27126153 - 01/04/21 01:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

aborts are more potent by weight for example 2 grams of aborts will be more potent than 2 grams made up of 1 or 2 fruits. i use to save all my aborts and make a wicked ass tea with them. but its not just aborts tho smaller fruits are isually always more potent by weight


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: jcm4620]
    #27126156 - 01/04/21 01:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yes i know, these are not aborts yet however.
the mycelium network when cased still uses up water from the entire substrate, not just the casing, correct?


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: Phony Phone] * 1
    #27126166 - 01/04/21 01:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Some phenotypes of cubes will create pins which mature at a later date.
I have seen this with APE, B+, and a lot more.
Each individual mushroom is on its own timetable.
Correct the mycelium network uses all available colonized resources, which include absorbed hydration.
I honestly think you should have patience, allow all your fruits to mature, pick matured fruits, and allow the others to fruit out.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: mushhead]
    #27126179 - 01/04/21 01:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks. :cheers: :thumbup:


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: Phony Phone]
    #27126190 - 01/04/21 01:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

No worries, listen if you want to get your flushes to mature at the same rate you should take clones with agar.
Pick your nicest fruit you have and grab clean myc from the interior of the stipe.
This drastically narrows down the genetics which helps with getting those tubs that just pump out canopies.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: mushhead]
    #27126245 - 01/04/21 02:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

believe it or not this comes from a clone from an MS grow lol. but i guess there were still multiple strains in that transfer, it surprised me. then again it was only 3 or 4 transfers so obv i didnt narrow down the genetics enough. but I got some fatties i was after


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: Phony Phone]
    #27126254 - 01/04/21 02:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yep I thought so, grab another clone from this tub, narrow it down some more.
You'll come out solid.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #27126262 - 01/04/21 02:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

as a matter of fact i did, some meaty beast. ill aim for an isolate this time. lets see


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: Phony Phone]
    #27127613 - 01/05/21 06:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)



I am getting some smaller fruits this 2nd flush. What would be possible causes for this? The taller ones are about 2.5 - 2.75 inches, last flush had taller fruits.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: Phony Phone]
    #27127643 - 01/05/21 06:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

how did you inoculate with a syringe or print or what.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: kanemush]
    #27127650 - 01/05/21 07:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Clone from agar. It looks like multispore but i think it does only because something is going wrong. I need help to identify what that wrong is


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: Phony Phone] * 1
    #27127668 - 01/05/21 07:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

if you started with a syringe to agar there are 100's of different genes in a MS. So yes uniformity is not always guaranteed that's why we clone a good fruit and put that to agar.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: kanemush]
    #27127685 - 01/05/21 07:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I did clone a fruit. This grow is from a 3rd transfer tissue of a clone.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: Phony Phone]
    #27127691 - 01/05/21 08:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

sometimes it happens like that sorry to say I usually have a few that pop up quick that a pick before i call it a flush. if you notice your humidity is high because of the fuzzy feet on the base of the stem might need to increase fae some. other then that let some others chime in with there opinion.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: kanemush]
    #27127864 - 01/05/21 10:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The casing was relatively thick, anyway, I harvested a few of them, definitely lower yield than the first flush, yeah, to be expected kinda but if all those had matured (I got tons of aborts) the yield would be far superior. Tbh grain to sub was like 1/1.5, i know ridiculosly high..BUT.. i just checked the sides of the liner cause i had applied some syringe water, it didnt drink it all up which shows me it has enough water to get it through flushes..

So. I am at a loss. Any help as of what is going on would be appreciated. Why the tons of aborts, based on the above descriptions?


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: Phony Phone]
    #27127978 - 01/05/21 11:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Normally you get almost everything from the first and second flushes.
Third and fourth flushes are just what's remaining in your spawn, which isn't much after the first and second.
Try not to overhydrate your substrate. This will cause your fruits to become dwarfed.
There needs to be a balance between re-hydration and evaporation to cause proper fruiting triggers.


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Re: Some pins refuse to grow up [Re: mushhead]
    #27127984 - 01/05/21 11:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I see. I suspect things got really wet down there, whatever the next flush is gonna give, I am not adding any water for now. The sub felt heavy to lift, I have lifted cakes before and know that "husk" feeling of water devoid substrate and this tub doesnt have it. A lesson.


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