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Any fellow communist on the Shroomery?
#27127124 - 01/04/21 09:21 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I've gone from being a libertarian to being a communist. I really think communism would work if people have access to drugs for obvious reasons.
Post any questions or comments you may have. Private messages are fine.
I'm keen to start a communist party. Let me know if you are keen to join
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
#27127181 - 01/04/21 09:59 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Painkiller said: I really think communism would work if people have access to drugs for obvious reasons.
I don't really follow. Why would access to drugs make communism work?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: psi]
#27127230 - 01/04/21 10:39 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Because people can be nasty and turn greedy when they are deprived of them.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
#27127295 - 01/05/21 12:17 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Maybe the missing ingredient when it was tried before was robot slaves.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Stable Genius]
#27127524 - 01/05/21 04:45 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Communism seems like such a loaded stance and term. Do you differentiate it from socialism ?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller] 1
#27127565 - 01/05/21 05:54 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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You only need to look as far as all the failed hippy communes and wook communities out there to see how drugs don't suddenly fix human nature.
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#27127667 - 01/05/21 07:30 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Communist here.
I think psychedelics can give people a better sense of community and empathy but they’re way down on the list of things that would make a communist/socialist society a reality.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27127683 - 01/05/21 07:57 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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We will eventually see a mix of communism, socialism, and capitalism. Increasing automation will drive it this way, but humans ultimately will want varying things. Some like art, some like to bust their balls endlessly at dead end jobs, and others just want to get high and motor on.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
#27127700 - 01/05/21 08:14 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I assume you mean there will be an increase in social safety nets as capitalism increasingly fails human society.
But that’s not socialism, nor is it communism.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#27127706 - 01/05/21 08:17 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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No, I actually think we will see social ownership of the means of production, at least in some scenarios. Not all means of production are really feasible for automation.
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#27127719 - 01/05/21 08:27 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I hope you’re right.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
#27127751 - 01/05/21 08:47 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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christopera said: Not all means of production are really feasible for automation.
I'm not sure that's correct. Can you give an example?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
#27127771 - 01/05/21 08:59 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Eventually, assuming we don't destroy ourselves before hand, all work will become automated. Advanced AI can even do further design/engineering work, factories will auto produce. The need for humans to actually work will be non-existent. That's a real big if however when it comes to destroying ourselves first.
None of us will see it in our life times. It will take quite a few more generations. The entire idea of ownership may even disappear.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mndfreeze]
#27127784 - 01/05/21 09:09 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I'm not convinced we won't see it. After watching that boston dynamics dance video, it's clear to me that agility isn't an issue.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27127807 - 01/05/21 09:20 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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The tech will advance faster than we can cope with it IMO. Gene editing will eventually be a requirement to keep our primal garbage from ruining everything. Once we have proper self learning AI everything else will go nuts speeding up.
20 years ago the boston dynamics stuff was basically science fiction. 100 years ago it would have been witchcraft. 100 years from now is gunna be nuts.
I don't think we are advancing fast enough for us older folk to see it. They need to make some massive healthcare breakthroughs and make them obtainable first. Sign me up for cyborg parts though when they hit!
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mndfreeze]
#27127872 - 01/05/21 10:12 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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mndfreeze said: Eventually, assuming we don't destroy ourselves before hand, all work will become automated. Advanced AI can even do further design/engineering work, factories will auto produce. The need for humans to actually work will be non-existent. That's a real big if however when it comes to destroying ourselves first.
None of us will see it in our life times. It will take quite a few more generations. The entire idea of ownership may even disappear.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27127909 - 01/05/21 10:30 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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christopera said: Not all means of production are really feasible for automation.
I'm not sure that's correct. Can you give an example?
Absolutely. Please send the robot capable of getting down the 22" wide stone staircase into my basement to snake the antiquated plumbing below. I personally am tired of wading through shit and muck to snake the drain myself.
That robot doesn't exist and it never will exist because there's no scenario where it would be profitable to develop it. Plumbers produce a very desirable good in the modern age, and there's nothing predictable or planned about it. We'd have to go scorched earth and build CNC assembled homes for robots to stand a chance. If we are okay with that, then perhaps we will see robots being plumbers.
I program robots daily, I own several of them. I worked in robotics for years, that includes autonomous car development where I was a safety engineer (Argo Ai), I left for 35 days PTO and the freedom to build my business on the side. I do not see a path towards total automation, not in the next 10k years. First and foremost, humans will oppose it. Secondly, the hurdles are insane. Making a robot jump or dance is one thing, but it has no real ability to interpret or problem solve. Even the most intelligent robots, all of which exist in manufacturing, are really dumb. They rely on the opening and closing of switches and have a very small ability to detect defects and errors, with zero ability to resolve defects once detected. Modern robots can achieve a lot of great things, they can run day and night without food, water, or pay. Still, compared to the cognitive abilities of humans they aren't even newborns. That's saying a lot when consider how fucking retarded humans can be.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
#27127934 - 01/05/21 10:46 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Snaking your drain isn't a means of production. That's a service. Do you have an example of a production task that isn't feasible for automation?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27127999 - 01/05/21 11:27 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Hand sewn rugs
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27128010 - 01/05/21 11:32 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I'm pretty sure a robotic hand can be made to sew rugs.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27128023 - 01/05/21 11:41 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Theres a fair amount of automation in my field (welding and manufacturing) but there's no way they could 100% replace me. At some point they could get near 95% but there will always be a need for a human welder... I tend to steer clear of politics but it seems these days you have to pick a side or you'll be left behind...
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller] 1
#27128055 - 01/05/21 11:53 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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eventually -assuming technological advancement continues- it will be possible to automate virtually all industries and professions. Political forces might impede that for the sake of preserving jobs, but in my view the preferable route is to have public ownership before we are fully reduced to serfdom.
In spirit I suppose I am basically communist, although in terms of the actual political reality of my country and our american neighbours, I would settle for a lot less than full blown communism. Market socialism seems a necessary intermediary step, and I'm very dubious of the potential for a real-world revolution.
as to the drug question, I don't think psychedelics are necessary or sufficient to produce communism, although they could play a small role I think
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: roarkell]
#27128131 - 01/05/21 12:25 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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roarkell said: Theres a fair amount of automation in my field (welding and manufacturing) but there's no way they could 100% replace me. At some point they could get near 95% but there will always be a need for a human welder... I tend to steer clear of politics but it seems these days you have to pick a side or you'll be left behind...
There's no way that automation can replace 100% of labor needed. People will always be required for one-off jobs and things like that. The topic of this thread, however, is communism. Automation is being discussed in the context of the means of production of goods. I can't think of any production of goods that couldn't be automated.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27128165 - 01/05/21 12:41 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Enlil said: There's no way that automation can replace 100% of labor needed. People will always be required for one-off jobs and things like that.
Are you suggesting it's an impossibility to make a robot with the same capabilities as a human worker?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: psi]
#27128172 - 01/05/21 12:43 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yes.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27128176 - 01/05/21 12:44 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Ensuring shit disappears when I flush is good in that my terracotta pipe require epoxy lining. That's a good a robot can't produce.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27128182 - 01/05/21 12:45 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Yes.
Why?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
#27128183 - 01/05/21 12:46 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Because something is "good" doesn't make it a "good." Plumbing services aren't a good. Pipe is. Epoxy is. Manufacturing pipe and epoxy are certainly things that automation can handle. Being a plumber, on the other hand, is a whole other thing.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: psi]
#27128190 - 01/05/21 12:48 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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psi said:
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Enlil said: Yes.
Why?
Because of the infinitely variable circumstances within which humans can and do operate. A robot can certainly handle a lot of things, but a human brain is uniquely able to creatively process a problem and solve it in a way that machines will not be able to do in every possible set of circumstances.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27128204 - 01/05/21 12:54 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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True of robots that exist today, but it hardly seems like a hard limit on what could be invented in the future. The brain is just a very complex computer.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: psi]
#27128219 - 01/05/21 01:01 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I certainly understand that potential, but I also think it's pretty clear that the mechanisms contained within the brain for creative thought are intrinsically tied to the process of creating the self-awareness illusion and the illusion of free will. Before technology gets to that point, it's highly likely that an artificial intelligence will gain enough capability to fully render human existence obsolete, so we won't be around to see it reach human capability. If we're not here, no machine will be as capable as a human because humans won't exist for that comparison.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27128236 - 01/05/21 01:09 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah, if you came up with a computer equivalent in power to the human brain, then that certainly would come with its own problems. You would either be enslaving beings just as sentient as humans or it would go the other way.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27128239 - 01/05/21 01:10 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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AI Production and servicing the AI production are inseparable though.
Automated mining dump trucks still require human involvement. Real robot welders still require similar and they've been around for a long time now - around 40 years, much longer if this idea includes profile arc cutters or CNC lathes etc. Sometimes service problems are more than just one problem, which a robot will never have the ability to look at and solve, unless the answer = throw the entire (insert piece of equipment) in the bin.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: psi]
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It wouldn't happen all of a sudden. Long before we mimicked a human brain, we'd mimic of some lower level mammal. That would be more than enough to make humans extinct. Whether that intelligence would/could ever self-evolve into human level is debatable, I suppose.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Stable Genius]
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Stable Genius said: AI Production and servicing the AI production are inseparable though.
Automated mining dump trucks still require human involvement.
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Real robot welders still require similar and they've been around for a long time now - around 40 years, much longer if this idea includes profile arc cutters or CNC lathes etc.
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Sometimes service problems are more than just one problem, which a robot will never have the ability to look at and solve, unless the answer = throw the entire (insert piece of equipment) in the bin.
I never claimed that service jobs will be replaced by automation.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27128265 - 01/05/21 01:24 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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It will struggle with primary production of agriculture and farming and fishing. The automation of processing meat and the production of food is not easy to upscale.
By definition AI has things in store for us that we cannot imagine and the potential for us to not even know when it happens.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
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Yes I agree you didn't claim that. I just don't see a way of 100% separating production and servicing the production.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Stable Genius]
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For most production environments, maintenance of production automation can also be automated pretty simply. It does get more complicated under some circumstances, but in time, automation can fully service other automated processes.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27128307 - 01/05/21 01:38 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yes that is true for most production scenarios.
The digital world produced more jobs ie mobile phones and all that entails for example. It will be interesting if AI ends up doing similar, creating jobs in an area nobody has imagined yet.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Yes.
Why?
Because of the infinitely variable circumstances within which humans can and do operate. A robot can certainly handle a lot of things, but a human brain is uniquely able to creatively process a problem and solve it in a way that machines will not be able to do in every possible set of circumstances.
The human brain is only unique *RIGHT NOW*. With exponential advancement (moores law) we will eventually see AI that can mimic and surpass biological brains. They already do in a lot of ways, and epic fail in others. It is pretty much inevitable however that we will hit that point in technology sooner or later. Chances are before that happens we will merge with our tech; cyborgs so to speak; and when we are at that sort of level automating any sort of troubleshooting, maintenance, manufacturing, etc will all be simple. Construction and design tech will change over the years. The world will eventually be built in a way to be always maintained and replaced autonomously.
Chances are we will see near full automation of production before we get to that advanced of an AI. The need for human workers will dwindle to very small amounts and basic needs will be easily met. Technology has always replaced jobs throughout our entire history of existence. I'm sure at some point some some seamstress told her friend in the english workhouse "No way a machine can replace this complex work I'm doing" or the auto worker in the mid 1900's.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mndfreeze]
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Transistor density eventually hits some physical limits, but specialized computational hardware for AI is still in its infancy.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Kryptos]
#27129079 - 01/05/21 06:59 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Is our current production capacity not enough for communism today?
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That's the glaring flaw of communism. It is even more ultramaterialistic than capitalism.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Because something is "good" doesn't make it a "good." Plumbing services aren't a good. Pipe is. Epoxy is. Manufacturing pipe and epoxy are certainly things that automation can handle. Being a plumber, on the other hand, is a whole other thing.
What kind of thing is it?
If I want a raclette, is it a service or a good?
Manufacturing pipes and epoxy are both automated already. What is to change in the future?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Stable Genius]
#27129575 - 01/06/21 01:23 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Are you serious?
Communist Party of Australia
Totally serious.
The CPA was dissolved in 1991...................
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mycot]
#27129578 - 01/06/21 01:32 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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mycot said: Communism seems like such a loaded stance and term. Do you differentiate it from socialism ?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mndfreeze]
#27129579 - 01/06/21 01:35 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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mndfreeze said: You only need to look as far as all the failed hippy communes and wook communities out there to see how drugs don't suddenly fix human nature.
I reckon that's entirely due to drug prohibition. If drugs were legal (I think all plants and fungi should be unrestricted and synthetic and semi-synthetic drugs being available through prescription) then peoples' set and setting would a lot better and so people will ultimately be a lot better.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27129589 - 01/06/21 01:43 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Communist here.
I think psychedelics can give people a better sense of community and empathy but they’re way down on the list of things that would make a communist/socialist society a reality.

I'm interested in your ideas..... Feel free to share......
Tomorrow I'll be buying from eBay Communism: A Love Story to learn as much as I can.
Mainly I wanted to see if people were willing to form a party or something similar. Why not? There are groups on Facebook which I have joined. Others may be interested in joining them too.
I'll continue reading posts and making replies over the coming days..... Keep em coming......
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
#27129591 - 01/06/21 01:46 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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christopera said: We will eventually see a mix of communism, socialism, and capitalism.
I can imagine this being the case.....
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
#27129672 - 01/06/21 04:34 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Ok sorry, my mistake. I thought that the Communist Party of Australia was what the organisation morphed into. Not being a smart arse but can you tell me a bit more why the CPA isn't the Communist Party of Australia? I did read that it changed from the Socialist Party?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
#27131318 - 01/06/21 06:42 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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I'm not really that smart but it will never work as planed. Communism might work for a minute but people will eventually abuse the power and you will be living under a dictator(sorry). The kids love the idea but most with a brain will outgrow that phase, usually when the get their first decent salary.
The stand ford prison experiment showed us human nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
and i never understand these people always bitching about their bosses and landlords but never mention anything higher up the chain like the owners of the "Federal Reserve"?

late stage capitalism sucks too because the most successful people have monopolies on entire markets, but the ride there was heaven and aslong as you have monopoly rules you're good.
working all day for just enough to survive like a jew in a concentration camp sucks. please look at the CCP and really dig deep and see how they live today on earth
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Kyngwhatt]
#27131485 - 01/06/21 07:32 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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I'm a socialist but not a communist. There are actually huge differences.I like the idea of people working for a company getting paid more fairly. I like the whole socialized medicine thing. If certain people are unable to work like due to physical or mental disabilities then they should be entitled to a universal basic income. Not everyone on the planet needs to work and if you don't like it like that then stop having babies.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
#27131509 - 01/06/21 07:40 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Painkiller said:
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The Ecstatic said: Communist here.
I think psychedelics can give people a better sense of community and empathy but they’re way down on the list of things that would make a communist/socialist society a reality.

I'm interested in your ideas..... Feel free to share......
Tomorrow I'll be buying from eBay Communism: A Love Story to learn as much as I can.
Mainly I wanted to see if people were willing to form a party or something similar. Why not? There are groups on Facebook which I have joined. Others may be interested in joining them too.
I'll continue reading posts and making replies over the coming days..... Keep em coming......
Sounds good brother. PM me if you need some reading suggestions.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27131538 - 01/06/21 07:48 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Communism seems more authoritarian whereas socialism seems more by the people for the people.
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OutsideOfMyMind said: Communism seems more authoritarian whereas socialism seems more by the people for the people.
not really true, in actuality there's a fair bit of diversity in communism, we just tend to think of soviet Russia under Stalin when we hear 'communist'. Personally I'm also not a fan of authoritarianism whether it claims to be communism or anything else, but I think you can separate the two ideas and talk about them distinctly
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Ezuma]
#27131843 - 01/06/21 10:00 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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I wouldn't want anyone to choose what job I do either unless it is based on my interests and skill levels.
Edited by OutsideOfMyMind (01/06/21 11:53 PM)
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OutsideOfMyMind said: I wouldn't want anyone to choose what job I do either unless it is based on my interests and still levels.
I also wouldn't want a system where people have no say over what labor they do, frankly I think its ironic to have a form of communism like that
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27132007 - 01/07/21 12:02 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Yes.
Why?
Because of the infinitely variable circumstances within which humans can and do operate. A robot can certainly handle a lot of things, but a human brain is uniquely able to creatively process a problem and solve it in a way that machines will not be able to do in every possible set of circumstances.
Thank you for not conflating politics and economic and logistical realities; this gets more and more rare as time passes IMHO.
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