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Painkiller
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Any fellow communist on the Shroomery?
#27127124 - 01/04/21 09:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've gone from being a libertarian to being a communist. I really think communism would work if people have access to drugs for obvious reasons.
Post any questions or comments you may have. Private messages are fine.
I'm keen to start a communist party. Let me know if you are keen to join
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
#27127181 - 01/04/21 09:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Painkiller said: I really think communism would work if people have access to drugs for obvious reasons.
I don't really follow. Why would access to drugs make communism work?
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Painkiller
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: psi]
#27127230 - 01/04/21 10:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because people can be nasty and turn greedy when they are deprived of them.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
#27127295 - 01/05/21 12:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe the missing ingredient when it was tried before was robot slaves.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller]
#27127389 - 01/05/21 03:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Stable Genius]
#27127524 - 01/05/21 04:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Communism seems like such a loaded stance and term. Do you differentiate it from socialism ?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Painkiller] 1
#27127565 - 01/05/21 05:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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You only need to look as far as all the failed hippy communes and wook communities out there to see how drugs don't suddenly fix human nature.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#27127667 - 01/05/21 07:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Communist here.
I think psychedelics can give people a better sense of community and empathy but they’re way down on the list of things that would make a communist/socialist society a reality.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27127683 - 01/05/21 07:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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We will eventually see a mix of communism, socialism, and capitalism. Increasing automation will drive it this way, but humans ultimately will want varying things. Some like art, some like to bust their balls endlessly at dead end jobs, and others just want to get high and motor on.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
#27127700 - 01/05/21 08:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I assume you mean there will be an increase in social safety nets as capitalism increasingly fails human society.
But that’s not socialism, nor is it communism.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#27127706 - 01/05/21 08:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, I actually think we will see social ownership of the means of production, at least in some scenarios. Not all means of production are really feasible for automation.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera] 1
#27127719 - 01/05/21 08:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hope you’re right.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
#27127751 - 01/05/21 08:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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christopera said: Not all means of production are really feasible for automation.
I'm not sure that's correct. Can you give an example?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
#27127771 - 01/05/21 08:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eventually, assuming we don't destroy ourselves before hand, all work will become automated. Advanced AI can even do further design/engineering work, factories will auto produce. The need for humans to actually work will be non-existent. That's a real big if however when it comes to destroying ourselves first.
None of us will see it in our life times. It will take quite a few more generations. The entire idea of ownership may even disappear.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mndfreeze]
#27127784 - 01/05/21 09:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not convinced we won't see it. After watching that boston dynamics dance video, it's clear to me that agility isn't an issue.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27127807 - 01/05/21 09:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The tech will advance faster than we can cope with it IMO. Gene editing will eventually be a requirement to keep our primal garbage from ruining everything. Once we have proper self learning AI everything else will go nuts speeding up.
20 years ago the boston dynamics stuff was basically science fiction. 100 years ago it would have been witchcraft. 100 years from now is gunna be nuts.
I don't think we are advancing fast enough for us older folk to see it. They need to make some massive healthcare breakthroughs and make them obtainable first. Sign me up for cyborg parts though when they hit!
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: mndfreeze]
#27127872 - 01/05/21 10:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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mndfreeze said: Eventually, assuming we don't destroy ourselves before hand, all work will become automated. Advanced AI can even do further design/engineering work, factories will auto produce. The need for humans to actually work will be non-existent. That's a real big if however when it comes to destroying ourselves first.
None of us will see it in our life times. It will take quite a few more generations. The entire idea of ownership may even disappear.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27127909 - 01/05/21 10:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said:
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christopera said: Not all means of production are really feasible for automation.
I'm not sure that's correct. Can you give an example?
Absolutely. Please send the robot capable of getting down the 22" wide stone staircase into my basement to snake the antiquated plumbing below. I personally am tired of wading through shit and muck to snake the drain myself.
That robot doesn't exist and it never will exist because there's no scenario where it would be profitable to develop it. Plumbers produce a very desirable good in the modern age, and there's nothing predictable or planned about it. We'd have to go scorched earth and build CNC assembled homes for robots to stand a chance. If we are okay with that, then perhaps we will see robots being plumbers.
I program robots daily, I own several of them. I worked in robotics for years, that includes autonomous car development where I was a safety engineer (Argo Ai), I left for 35 days PTO and the freedom to build my business on the side. I do not see a path towards total automation, not in the next 10k years. First and foremost, humans will oppose it. Secondly, the hurdles are insane. Making a robot jump or dance is one thing, but it has no real ability to interpret or problem solve. Even the most intelligent robots, all of which exist in manufacturing, are really dumb. They rely on the opening and closing of switches and have a very small ability to detect defects and errors, with zero ability to resolve defects once detected. Modern robots can achieve a lot of great things, they can run day and night without food, water, or pay. Still, compared to the cognitive abilities of humans they aren't even newborns. That's saying a lot when consider how fucking retarded humans can be.
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: christopera]
#27127934 - 01/05/21 10:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Snaking your drain isn't a means of production. That's a service. Do you have an example of a production task that isn't feasible for automation?
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Re: Any fellow communist on the Shroomery? [Re: Enlil]
#27127999 - 01/05/21 11:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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