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Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? * 2
    #27127011 - 01/04/21 08:05 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Greetings my fellow borts, beauties and all my lovelys in between. I bring to you a few topics of discussion tonight. Many of us here have had a good amount of first hand experiences with psychedelics, specifically Mushrooms, LSD and DMT.

What I feel to be the most real world applicable results that these drugs can deliver, Healing. The level of Healing these substances are able to cultivate within the soul / psyche / mind are so absolutely profound it's results could sometimes be likened to "magic." Lame term I know.

When I think of the many levels of past trauma that was addressed in just a single powerful experience I seriously can't imagine another substance or approach that could be more efficient for confronting and healing your fucked past, deconditioning your mind from toxic self-defeating patterns, and entirely restoring your love for life.

SO, I have taken LSD and mushrooms on many occasions in the past with friends just chilling and hanging out although I prefer tripping alone.
But I keep seeing people who look like their just constantly running from or distracting themselves from their own mind, and they do that through means of manic conversation or fidgeting with things. When I see that I can't help but feel that they have not went through the healing process that seems to naturally unfold during Mushrooms and LSD experiences.

When I'm in the presence of that, I can't help but feel like

"They don't understand how to use these substances."
or like
"This is it? you have this small window of time to be in the presence of this wonderous thing? and you just duck and cover from yourself and distract yourself the entire time?"

I know everyone experiences substances differently and in No way I'm I telling people "how to use their substances", But like, if Mushrooms or DMT can't get someone to those levels of trauma release and healing, then what the hell can?? I have seen some very positive changes happen after 3 ketamine sessions but still no where on the level Mushrooms and DMT seems to cultivate. AM I CRAZY?!?!??!


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: Blipstir] * 1
    #27127051 - 01/04/21 08:28 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

If responsible, I don't think there is really a wrong way to take them. however I think there may have been trips that were wrong for me. Example: taking too much for my set and setting and experience at the time. I was camping alone in a desert wilderness and took 5g of mushrooms while still pretty inexperienced with mushrooms. A huge storm rolled in and I freaked the hell out for like 5 or 6 hours in my tent. I learned my lesson none the less.

I don't know that everybody is looking to get the same thing from psychedelics. Sure they have been healing and positive in my life and I'm happy to talk about that with others, IF they want to listen. Last thing I wanna do is preach like a religious person. if somebody wants to take them recreationally, so be it. I don't think it's any of my business to judge.


Edited by Rise against (01/04/21 08:33 PM)


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: Rise against] * 5
    #27127518 - 01/05/21 04:42 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

The only way to take them 'wrong' imo is if you're hurting anyone, yourself included.

I get what you're saying, distracting yourself can seem a waste of time but doesn't necessarily mean you're not getting any healing. Some people aren't ready to face death head on and need to pay attention to something else, then later in the trip could still look at themselves as much as they can. I've been there myself and still am to an extent, like most of us. I'd be willing to bet most people don't spend a full 6 hours behind eye shades in silence during their trips.


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: psysearch]
    #27127721 - 01/05/21 08:27 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

great points psysearch!

too much instagram and rocket science, too much comparing one's personal launch and trajectory to Elon Musk's. We are each on our own path.


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: psysearch] * 2
    #27127974 - 01/05/21 11:12 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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psysearch said:
. I'd be willing to bet most people don't spend a full 6 hours behind eye shades in silence during their trips.




I lasted 15 minutes once, psysearch :eek:

On a serious note, I always try to go with the flow. Many times that will involve distracting myself with music, nature, my dogs, photos etc., sometimes I distract myself because it is so much fun; but other times the mushrooms take me on a healing journey, I follow. Or they will take me on a transcendental mystical journey, I follow.

I hear what you’re saying, that the psychedelics are so powerful you should maximise their potential benefits. But for me, I have no issue at all with people, just like me quite often, who just take them to have an altered consciousness and perception of reality.

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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #27128085 - 01/05/21 12:05 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

the psychedelic experience is so much more than just healing. Its almost as if the healing aspect is a prerequisite for the real thing.

life is not to be taken so seriously.

edit: its impossible to account for others so you must be accountable to one person.


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: psysearch]
    #27128146 - 01/05/21 12:31 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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The only way to take them 'wrong' imo is if you're hurting anyone, yourself included.

I get what you're saying, distracting yourself can seem a waste of time but doesn't necessarily mean you're not getting any healing. Some people aren't ready to face death head on and need to pay attention to something else, then later in the trip could still look at themselves as much as they can. I've been there myself and still am to an extent, like most of us. I'd be willing to bet most people don't spend a full 6 hours behind eye shades in silence during their trips.





Agreed.

I meditated about 90 minutes on a high dose of L before. Never done the full duration. Part of my psychedelic therapies for myself require other activities as well as meditation, which can range from going on walks, hikes, watching the night sky, watching trippy movies, etc.


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: skOsH] * 2
    #27128208 - 01/05/21 12:56 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I wouldn’t say there’s a wrong way to take them but MANY ways to take them. I’ve done shrooms/lsd as a party drug, as a spiritual drug, as a way to bond closer with buddies. Although you may only use them for healing someone else might just really need to have fun on them in turn somewhat healing them. There have been times where I was just tired of the normal boring routine I was doing so I’d trip and use the entire trip only for fun.


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: Fungi Rogers] * 1
    #27128289 - 01/05/21 01:31 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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I wouldn’t say there’s a wrong way to take them but MANY ways to take them. I’ve done shrooms/lsd as a party drug, as a spiritual drug, as a way to bond closer with buddies. Although you may only use them for healing someone else might just really need to have fun on them in turn somewhat healing them. There have been times where I was just tired of the normal boring routine I was doing so I’d trip and use the entire trip only for fun.




Yeah but theres no way you still didn't get something out of it post-trip, even if recreational, I would still think you learned something new, came up with new ideas, etc


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: skOsH] * 1
    #27129426 - 01/05/21 10:38 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Nothing wrong with tripping for recreation.  Or any other purpose really.  Besides, you can always grow more... :cookiemonster:


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: skOsH]
    #27129477 - 01/05/21 11:04 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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skOsH said:
Quote:

Fungi Rogers said:
I wouldn’t say there’s a wrong way to take them but MANY ways to take them. I’ve done shrooms/lsd as a party drug, as a spiritual drug, as a way to bond closer with buddies. Although you may only use them for healing someone else might just really need to have fun on them in turn somewhat healing them. There have been times where I was just tired of the normal boring routine I was doing so I’d trip and use the entire trip only for fun.




Yeah but theres no way you still didn't get something out of it post-trip, even if recreational, I would still think you learned something new, came up with new ideas, etc




There have been times were I was tripping and it went from fun to spiritual real quick and mid party I was talking to all my friends like a guidance counselor or therapist I had them all in a circle Lol.


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: Blipstir]
    #27129657 - 01/06/21 04:12 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

I agree with you completely. I don't think you are crazy at all. That is the way I feel about mushrooms during and after every trip. Then that feeling and understanding fades away and I dont see them as so magical anymore. I start thinking about recreational trips and then when I am tripping I realise the recreational aspect comes from the profound aspect of the mushrooms. I dont really find visuals that interesting at all anymore, it's all about the  spiritual experience and expansion of consciousness from the details of your life into the less dualistic conscious experience. This is symbolised by mandalas and the like I think where the point is not to go from the edges to the center, but actually from the center to the whole.


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: Fungi Rogers]
    #27129908 - 01/06/21 09:18 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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Fungi Rogers said:
Quote:

skOsH said:
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Fungi Rogers said:
I wouldn’t say there’s a wrong way to take them but MANY ways to take them. I’ve done shrooms/lsd as a party drug, as a spiritual drug, as a way to bond closer with buddies. Although you may only use them for healing someone else might just really need to have fun on them in turn somewhat healing them. There have been times where I was just tired of the normal boring routine I was doing so I’d trip and use the entire trip only for fun.




Yeah but theres no way you still didn't get something out of it post-trip, even if recreational, I would still think you learned something new, came up with new ideas, etc




There have been times were I was tripping and it went from fun to spiritual real quick and mid party I was talking to all my friends like a guidance counselor or therapist I had them all in a circle Lol.




Haha that's awesome! I think I did something similar on xtc before. Buddies at the time and I just talked through some stuff for a few hours


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: skOsH]
    #27138049 - 01/09/21 04:46 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Thank you for discussion and inputs. This really did help me wrap my mind around this topic a bit more.


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: Blipstir]
    #27138238 - 01/09/21 06:46 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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SO, I have taken LSD and mushrooms on many occasions in the past with friends just chilling and hanging out although I prefer tripping alone.
But I keep seeing people who look like their just constantly running from or distracting themselves from their own mind, and they do that through means of manic conversation or fidgeting with things. When I see that I can't help but feel that they have not went through the healing process that seems to naturally unfold during Mushrooms and LSD experiences.




I think the manic conversation, fidgeting, etc. has less to do with psychedelics and more to do with the user themselves. If someone is generally a person who "distracts themselves from their minds", as you say, it seems natural that this tendency would be amplified or exhibited in a different way under the influence of psychs.

To answer your broader question: yes, I think there is a "wrong way" to do psychedelics. Psychedelics are drugs, and all drugs have some potential for abuse (some more than others, obviously). The vast majority of people I've met who have tried psychedelics haven't used them very much. Maybe they tried LSD once, maybe mushrooms less than ten times. It's pretty common for me to meet people who have never even heard of DMT or Mescaline before. It's not very often I meet a psychedelic hobbyist like myself. For that reason, I think psychedelics have a low potential for abuse. The average person will only have a small handful of psychedelic experiences in their lives, and people tend not to develop strong behavior patterns around psychedelics, generally. As mentioned, I consider myself a psychedelic hobbyist, and even I will go for long periods without using any psychedelics. I'm currently going through such a phase right now as I focus more on other things.

That said, I've met some people who take it too far. Some people use psychedelics very frequently, often preferring to do so alone. IME, this sort of behavior will lead to isolation from others at the very least or even psychosis in the worst cases. Overall, though, psychedelic abuse is pretty uncommon among people who choose to partake.

However, another way to interpret your overall question is whether or not someone is getting the most out of a psychedelic experience if they don't have the same sort of therapeutic outcomes that you have experienced in your own life. When phrased that way, I think the answer to your question becomes a "no." It sounds to me like therapeutic benefits are what you are aiming to get out of psychedelics (at least some of the time). These drugs have a reputation for being heavily influenced by your expectations. If you are expecting therapy, aiming for therapy, planning on therapy, then I'd say that makes your psychedelic usage much more likely to be therapeutic. That said, there are other things that can come from a psychedelic experience. Sometimes, curiosity is what prompts me to use psychedelics, which isn't necessarily therapeutic, but it can be nice to enter such a magical-feeling experience with an exploratory mindset. Sometimes, I'm looking to explore different facets of my relationships, which is why it can be nice to trip with other people (though, like you, I also prefer to go alone).

So, there are many things to be gained from psychedelics aside from just therapeutic experiences depending on your intentions. However, sometimes people use psychs without any intention whatsoever, or with a shallow one like just getting high. Even in those cases, I don't think it's fair to say that such people are using psychedelics "wrong." IME, people who use psychedelics that way can go a number of different directions. I've seen some people go through something like that and come out of it more enthusiastic about the therapeutic benefits of mushrooms, and they become like you are now. I've seen some people have really difficult "bad trips" and either decide that they don't like psychedelics (which is fine), or that perhaps they should be more careful about their usage. Psychedelics can take us to all sorts of interesting places, and I don't think that anyone is inherently using them wrong just because they don't use with the same intentions that you do.


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27138625 - 01/09/21 10:00 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Well, there are more things you can do with psychedelics than can probably ever be described. 

And though expectations can play a strong role, trips where expectations are totally blown away in favor of true psychedelic experience ( "I wasn't expecting THAT!!!" ) will come along and wreak havoc with any well ordered world. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: psysearch]
    #27138854 - 01/10/21 12:48 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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The only way to take them 'wrong' imo is if you're hurting anyone, yourself included.

I get what you're saying, distracting yourself can seem a waste of time but doesn't necessarily mean you're not getting any healing. Some people aren't ready to face death head on and need to pay attention to something else, then later in the trip could still look at themselves as much as they can. I've been there myself and still am to an extent, like most of us. I'd be willing to bet most people don't spend a full 6 hours behind eye shades in silence during their trips.




You hit the ball out of the park, across town, and into another district with this post.

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Re: Is it Possible to take psychedelic drugs wrong? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27145593 - 01/13/21 10:41 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Yesterday I tripped with friends. I almost didn't but decided to take 2 grams with hope it won't upset my stomach even more etc.

And that 2 grams gave me an absolutely wonderful trip, with almost no body discomfort etc. while at the same time it was only 6 days since last trip, which was 6 grams+MAOI and wasn't anywhere near as good, or any of the previous 4 or 5 trips with higher doses.

I have been chasing ego death and other stuff so hard that I have not had any great trips for a while... and now this small dose did wonders ! I guess I have forgotten how good things can be and I have been chasing a rabbit into a hole where nothing good had come out and taking these things wrong.


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