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How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins?
#27125087 - 01/04/21 01:09 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Hm. I'm thinking of this grow kit, in general; sound like a good deal? Here it is: MOD EDIT PLEASE READ THE RULES ANy better suggestions?
Edited by cronicr (01/04/21 01:34 AM)
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Noitartst]
#27125089 - 01/04/21 01:17 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Most suggestions here are going to say DO NOT buy a grow kit. They are expensive and fail very often.
It's recommended to research a few beginner teks here on the forums and then do everything from scratch yourself. That's where most people end up after buying grow kits anyways.
Welcome and good luck to you!
Check out The Noob Forum here.
It has everything you need to know to get started on your own.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: tiptrippy]
#27125155 - 01/04/21 03:11 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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What dat guy said^^
If you don’t wanna buy a pressure cooker, I’d check out Etsy and help out some people who might be struggling in these hard times. Get some agar plates and sterilized BRF cakes from a solid vendor. Inoculate several jars then knock up agar plates under sterile conditions. Buy a plastic tote, perlite w/out added nutrients and fruit. EZ PZ.
A few jars will likely contam just because of the difficulty making 100% sterile syringes. Agar will give you an idea of how nasty they are. If your brf cakes work and you wanna go pro, isolate the prettiest, fastest, cleanest agar sections w more agar, knock up some grain (STERILE TECHNIQUE) and once it’s fully colonized, mix with substrate. You can buy grain and substrate from Etsy or recommended vendors page.
Step 3: get schwifty
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Noitartst]
#27125163 - 01/04/21 03:22 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Noitartst said: Hm. I'm thinking of this grow kit, in general; sound like a good deal? Here it is: MOD EDIT PLEASE READ THE RULES ANy better suggestions?
If you are in Europe rather look for a "grow box" which is more or less a BRF cake already colonized by cube mycelium which should grow shrooms in 2-3 weeks after delivery. A cheap one will suffice, but look to get one of a vendor with a good service quality, have a look at the forum sponsors and/or do your search here in the forum to see which vendor tends to replace failed grow kits. Just don't forget to make a spore syringe and/or a clone to agar from fruits of the box
If you are on the other side of the pond and you are referring to a grow kit where you get a bag of grains and a MS syringe, you are probably better of to follow the common advice to not buy it.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27125197 - 01/04/21 04:05 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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DONT BUY A GROW KIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
simply look upbthe words grow kit in the search engine on here and just look at the track record those damn things have. you cant get easier than the pf tek is suggest that as thats all those damn things are anyway. the only difference is if u do it urself it will most likely work. all u gtta do is follow instructions. if u can make mac n chz of the box instructions u can do this. all threads here about muh growkit are along the lines of whats wrong why is this not working followed by someone tellin them all they have is a bacterial glazed brick of mold🤷🏼
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Noitartst]
#27125233 - 01/04/21 04:37 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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I'd use the money for a grow kit to buy a cheap pressure cooker instead, that's what I did. Then, I save money by recycling used food jars, I've done pf tek, and grains to bulk this way. You can even do agar no pour in recycled jars. A cheap tube of silicone, and some polyfill for injection ports and filtered air exchange on the jars, a clear tote for a still air box, then some materials like agar, grains, and coir, and you're pretty much set once you get your hands on some spores. Search "grow kits" with the search bar and you'll see how many times people fail with grow kits. The time you would waste watching a grow kit fail and asking loads of questions here would be better used reading up on teks and understanding the life cycle of mushrooms, sterile technique, and contamination issues. The money you'd save will buy you things which you can use over and over so you can actually get into the hobby, instead of buying expensive grow kits, never getting any results, then giving up frustrated and fruitless. Listen to the people here, they have your best interests at heart. ✌️&❤️
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: HappinessStan]
#27125236 - 01/04/21 04:41 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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perfect example in just a cpl threads above why not to buy them damn things. ar least every week we have someone on here just like that wonderin whats wrong hell u dont even need a pc for pf tek although its a better choice id do as what he said and take that $ and do if properly and then ul be set up for dirt cheap good grows the rest of ur life most likely
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: jcm4620]
#27125285 - 01/04/21 05:22 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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It's a taboo here to find them to be legitimate at all...
But people denying them the most are probably also the ones that are most far away from understanding the overwhelming feeling of a noob wanting to start somewhere as soon as possible.
I bought one and it got me like 20g cracker dry shrooms and plenty of experience. Also I got a print and therefore spore syringes out of it, which I would have needed to buy anyway paying 20EUR for a syringe of 30EUR for a box. It's not much of a difference considering what you get (box, substrate, someone already inoculated it and even support in cases they fail being it your mistake or the vendor's)
I bought a MSS afterwards from a vendor knowing, that I don't really need it, just for the sake of actually knowing what it is about and how good or bad they really are
In the end you gonna buy one or not, we can't avoid to make all mistakes. They are a part of the journey ^^
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27125292 - 01/04/21 05:31 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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And I totally agree with what is said here or somewhere else in the forum regarding to toss away the instructions and look up what you are doing here.
In the end the grow boxes are intended for making people keep on buying them, only few salesman will ever tell you the truth about how to get the most out of a product, otherwise they wouldn't make any money in the future. That doesn't mean the product itself is bad.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27125296 - 01/04/21 05:34 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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well we are a very generous bunch here and anyone that shows a legit interest in doing things correctly and themslves will have no issue at all getting free prints from members of this community. we encourage ppl to do things themselves as its the best learning experience you can get. but 20 grams isnt even an ounce and homestly u may as well just have bought them outright from a dealer. and its true there is a learning experience to be had but i promise you that the learning experience afforded by reading and studdyin the proven teks here and investing in the materials and taking the time to do things on ur own will be 10 fold what u will get by them kits. hell for every 1 kit that goves a whole 20grams i promise there is at least 25 that dont produce anything but a green slimy science project
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27125297 - 01/04/21 05:35 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Shroombitz said: It's a taboo here to find them to be legitimate at all...
But people denying them the most are probably also the ones that are most far away from understanding the overwhelming feeling of a noob wanting to start somewhere as soon as possible.
What, you think we just fell out our moms vaginas knowing how to grow and never had to experience this? Most of the cautionary responses are from people who've used kits and got burned.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: jcm4620] 1
#27125300 - 01/04/21 05:36 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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the product isnt bad
its fucking horrific
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: jcm4620]
#27125309 - 01/04/21 05:43 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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jcm4620 said: well we are a very generous bunch here and anyone that shows a legit interest in doing things correctly and themslves will have no issue at all getting free prints from members of this community. we encourage ppl to do things themselves as its the best learning experience you can get. but 20 grams isnt even an ounce and homestly u may as well just have bought them outright from a dealer. and its true there is a learning experience to be had but i promise you that the learning experience afforded by reading and studdyin the proven teks here and investing in the materials and taking the time to do things on ur own will be 10 fold what u will get by them kits. hell for every 1 kit that goves a whole 20grams i promise there is at least 25 that dont produce anything but a green slimy science project
20g and the experience is just a bonus for getting into it and proof that they aren't shit. Someone else could have probably made more out of it, by not doing the mistakes I did. Or what is it that you want to say? Are you telling people they shall buy black market stuff?
One can't trade (or get into the trade forum) before 90 days after creating the account and asking for free stuff is against the rules...
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
#27125312 - 01/04/21 05:45 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Shroombitz said: It's a taboo here to find them to be legitimate at all...
But people denying them the most are probably also the ones that are most far away from understanding the overwhelming feeling of a noob wanting to start somewhere as soon as possible.
What, you think we just fell out our moms vaginas knowing how to grow and never had to experience this? Most of the cautionary responses are from people who've used kits and got burned.
Did you ever buy a European grow box as a first time grower? If not what's your point?
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27125320 - 01/04/21 05:49 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Did you ever buy a European grow box as a first time grower? If not what's your point?
No, I didn't, because I live in the US.
But since you asked, I guess my point could boil down to the fact this is a forum for CULTIVATION and following the instructions on a kit isn't really what we do here. It's not unlike going into a martial arts dojo to ask how to use a gun.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
#27125322 - 01/04/21 05:52 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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Shroombitz said:
Did you ever buy a European grow box as a first time grower? If not what's your point?
No, I didn't, because I live in the US.
But since you asked, I guess my point could boil down to the fact this is a forum for CULTIVATION and following the instructions on a kit isn't really what we do here. It's not unlike going into a martial arts dojo to ask how to use a gun.
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Shroombitz said:
Did you ever buy a European grow box as a first time grower? If not what's your point?
No, I didn't, because I live in the US.
But since you asked, I guess my point could boil down to the fact this is a forum for CULTIVATION and following the instructions on a kit isn't really what we do here. It's not unlike going into a martial arts dojo to ask how to use a gun.
Those boxes seem to be something completely different to whatever you get in the US.
As I said above, don't follow the instructions, but if you do buy a box like that do your job and learn how to CULTIVATE starting from a colonized box and meanwhile learn how to CULTIVATE with say PF-TEK and do that after you got your first fruits...
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27125328 - 01/04/21 05:59 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Back to topic, OP as you see no one here will advise you where to buy your supplies as cheap as possible.
The sponsors are probably a decent point to start, even if some do dislike them here despite them paying to operate this site
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27125329 - 01/04/21 05:59 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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I know they're not the same. I know what comes in euro grow kits. And yes, they are significantly better than what you get here if you want actual product in your hands. Most of us don't post here to put mushrooms in people's hands though, we post to teach people how to grow.
I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm just saying, I get that some people just want results fast. When I first started, I wanted results fast. But how quickly someone wants results has never been a factor here.
If you wanna talk about kits, a cultivation forum might not be the best place. Like a pc building forum isn't the best place to ask about laptops. Like a dojo isn't the best place to ask about firearms. Like a culinary academy isn't the best place to ask about microwave dinners. I could go on. I won't. But I could.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
#27125334 - 01/04/21 06:03 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Inocuole said: I know they're not the same. I know what comes in euro grow kits. And yes, they are significantly better than what you get here if you want actual product in your hands. Most of us don't post here to put mushrooms in people's hands though, we post to teach people how to grow.
I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm just saying, I get that some people just want results fast. When I first started, I wanted results fast. But how quickly someone want results has never been a factor here.
If you wanna talk about kits, a cultivation forum might not be the best place. Like a pc building forum isn't the best place to ask about laptops. Like a dojo isn't the best place to ask about firearms. Like a culinary academy isn't the best place to ask about microwave dinners. I could go on. I won't. But I could.
Getting a print or clone tissue from a mushroom, making syringes, agar, LC or whatever out of it, for me, is cultivation, no matter how one got hands on the fruit in the first place. But that's just 
If a mod decides to move it to "Getting started" or whatever so be it
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
#27125335 - 01/04/21 06:04 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Inocuole said: Most of us don't post here to put mushrooms in people's hands though, we post to teach people how to grow.
This point is lost on some people I think. This is a board that focuses on cultivation teks.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: coversall]
#27125375 - 01/04/21 06:32 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Good kit is an oxymoron.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27125377 - 01/04/21 06:34 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Shroombitz said:
Getting a print or clone tissue from a mushroom, making syringes, agar, LC or whatever out of it, for me, is cultivation, no matter how one got hands on the fruit in the first place. But that's just 
If a mod decides to move it to "Getting started" or whatever so be it 
This is a fair point but what are the chances of someone who doesn't wanna start off properly pulling off a clone or print properly? If you have the initiative and skill to take prints or clones then you probably could just save yourself the money and grow from spore.
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LtLurker said: Good kit is an oxymoron.
Don't forget cheap, he wants it to be cheap too. But also good!
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
#27125390 - 01/04/21 06:39 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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oh yea true. Cheapest kits are what now, 2-3 times the actual cost of materials?
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
#27125422 - 01/04/21 06:57 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Inocuole said: I know they're not the same. I know what comes in euro grow kits. And yes, they are significantly better than what you get here if you want actual product in your hands. Most of us don't post here to put mushrooms in people's hands though, we post to teach people how to grow.
I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm just saying, I get that some people just want results fast. When I first started, I wanted results fast. But how quickly someone wants results has never been a factor here.
If you wanna talk about kits, a cultivation forum might not be the best place. Like a pc building forum isn't the best place to ask about laptops. Like a dojo isn't the best place to ask about firearms. Like a culinary academy isn't the best place to ask about microwave dinners. I could go on. I won't. But I could.
well put
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
#27125452 - 01/04/21 07:23 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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This is a fair point but what are the chances of someone who doesn't wanna start off properly pulling off a clone or print properly? If you have the initiative and skill to take prints or clones then you probably could just save yourself the money and grow from spore.
I guess, people that do not want to learn will eventually fail anyways.
I see people keep on saying that grow boxes are expensive, but fail on providing any solid calculation for it
To start with PF-TEK one needs:
- Print / MSS 15-20€
- BRF 3€
- A container with a GE filter, cheapest would be to reuse regular glas and some micropore tape 3€+
- Vermiculite 4€ for a small bag
- Plus plenty of missing (household) items needed on the way
- In total 25-30€ plus (probably multiple times) shipping
On the other side a grow box (600ml) is 23€ plus shipping
For someone who just wants to start growing some shrooms and see if they like the hobby both options do have their place
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27125460 - 01/04/21 07:26 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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You just made our point. Your gonna reuse most of that and can easily grow 5x more shrooms with the initial investment and materials than you would with the single use kit.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
#27125462 - 01/04/21 07:29 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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LtLurker said: Yea just made our point. Your gonna reuse most of that and can easily grow 5x more shrooms with the initial investment and materials than the kit.
If a couple of US/EUR or whatever is the reason for someone to stop the hobby so be it.
That you scare away people from even getting started with it, because it is overwhelming, is what you seem to just don't want to acknowledge.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27125480 - 01/04/21 07:37 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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But its not overwhelming, its laid out step by step, you just have to be able to follow directions. 12 year olds could do brf cakes like a school science experiment.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
#27125832 - 01/04/21 10:55 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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PRO TIP i see decent sized PC at indian groceries! at least 6 qurt jars or case of PFjars could fit and 45-65 bucks i think under a 100 for decent sized one if i remember correctly.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: the man]
#27125889 - 01/04/21 11:15 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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listen to the what the experienced people are telling you, they know from trial and error . You can find a good used pressure cooker on craigslist or Facebook marketplace. With all the great information you have here you will be successful with some persistence. Good luck .
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
#27125943 - 01/04/21 11:36 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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LtLurker said: You just made our point. Your gonna reuse most of that and can easily grow 5x more shrooms with the initial investment and materials than you would with the single use kit.
Can you prove that number? Or is it just supposed to be true because you say so?
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
#27125960 - 01/04/21 11:44 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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LtLurker said: But its not overwhelming, its laid out step by step, you just have to be able to follow directions. 12 year olds could do brf cakes like a school science experiment.
Sure, maybe even a 12 years old could provide a list of all the equipment and time and techniques needed to start as a noob.
Maybe a list not ignoring that there are plenty of other aspects to think of than just watching a cake to grow. Aspects like, fruiting, drying, processing, storing, cultivating in many different forms and of course learning and improving techniques. All stuff that you probably have learned a long time ago judging by your registration date and post count. What exactly qualifies you to call that not overwhelming for a noob?
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: howdidigethere]
#27125981 - 01/04/21 11:51 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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I live in the shite US where you can’t get a kit, spores are even illegal in this state.
If I could get a kit, I probably would buy it. I would still also be spending hundreds on all this other gear though.
I should have just injected MSS to PCed jars, that’s basically the simplest way to get some yield without going directly to kit, and I’d get a taste of the whole process rather than have spent weeks waiting for agar. I’ve dedicated a majority of one room to this cause, and bought many appliances, tubs, ingredients, jars, etc. I understand I’ll get repeated bulk yields out of these when I’m successful, but I feel like a proper dumbass for putting myself through the agar gauntlet with 0 experience when I see pics of canopy yields from MSS posted daily. From all that I’ve spent to have inferior results, I can’t hate on people who get quick results. Don’t be me, OP. Buy syringes.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: cutie]
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If you can measure, mix and run a timer then you can make cakes. It's really as simple as following directions. But if you wanna start bad habits and wager everything on some stranger not making a mistake, go ahead. Most people that get a kit kick themselves when they actually make their own jars and see how easy it is. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086 Surface conditions, harvest and drying are all a part of it regardless if you buy a kit or make them. I don't understand how mixing is overwhelming to you.
And someone did do the estimate, it's more like $50 to start, but still produces far more than a kit that might produce for that amount of money. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24981864&page=0&vc=1#24981864
It's not cause i say so, it's cause everyone that's been through this has learned how over priced and a gamble kits are. We all started from knowing nothing, followed each step of the directions carefully, made mistakes and corrected them. It's not hard, it's just learning something new like anything else and mushrooms is not a hard thing to learn.
My experience actually does help btw. My favorite thing to do here is help first time growers and i see the same questions and issues all the time. I've don't think i've ever seen a new grower say they were glad they got a kit first, and even the ones that say things are overwhelming at first realize it is simple once they start looking at 1 phase at a time and just follow the recipe.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: cutie]
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cutie said: I live in the shite US where you can’t get a kit, spores are even illegal in this state.
If I could get a kit, I probably would buy it. I would still also be spending hundreds on all this other gear though.
I should have just injected MSS to PCed jars, that’s basically the simplest way to get some yield without going directly to kit, and I’d get a taste of the whole process rather than have spent weeks waiting for agar. I’ve dedicated a majority of one room to this cause, and bought many appliances, tubs, ingredients, jars, etc. I understand I’ll get repeated bulk yields out of these when I’m successful, but I feel like a proper dumbass for putting myself through the agar gauntlet with 0 experience when I see pics of canopy yields from MSS posted daily. From all that I’ve spent to have inferior results, I can’t hate on people who get quick results. Don’t be me, OP. Buy syringes.
Haha, well it's not possible to buy APE spores in Europe, but as I maybe could order them from the US, some vendors in Europe do ship griw boxes to the US. I would wait for milder climate thou, not sure if the mycelium likes to get (nearly) frozen. And no idea about the legal aspects of ordering that stuff.
Yep, the gear sums up I have magically spent hundreds for all the equipment and I try to DIY as much as possible.
Agree, MSS to BRF is the most fail proof I know of besides grow boxes, vermiculite & flours seems to be much more forgiving than grains for example with bacteria.
Agar and all is fun, but it also takes so much time 
At least my first BRF's seem to be ready in a week or so
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
#27126058 - 01/04/21 12:19 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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LtLurker said: If you can measure, mix and run a timer then you can make cakes. It's really as simple as following directions. But if you wanna start bad habits and wager everything on some stranger not making a mistake, go ahead. Most people that get a kit kick themselves when they actually make their own jars and see how easy it is. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086 Surface conditions, harvest and drying are all a part of it regardless if you buy a kit or make them. I don't understand how mixing is overwhelming to you.
And someone did do the estimate, it's more like $50 to start, but still produces far more than a kit that might produce for that amount of money. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24981864&page=0&vc=1#24981864
It's not cause i say so, it's cause everyone that's been through this has learned how over priced and a gamble kits are. We all started from knowing nothing, followed each step of the directions carefully, made mistakes and corrected them. It's not hard, it's just learning something new like anything else and mushrooms is not a hard thing to learn.
To keep it short, yeah the ingredients for some BRF cake are cheap, still anything else around this hobby adds up pretty substantially. Lol my shopping list counts over 50 items. I don't know about you, but I didn't need any of that stuff before for other hobbies.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
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I can't even name 50 items you could use for a basic brf grow, let alone have to buy. You should read through the first link and re-evaluate your list cause a lot of it is already in most homes. Rice/flour Verm Jars MSS syringe Pot Hammer & nail Plastic baggies water spray bottle Plastic tote(SAB) ISO Gloves Light bulb Dehydrator Tin foil
Optional More tubs(sgfc or shoebox) Perlite(sgfc) Coir(shoebox)
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
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LtLurker said: My favorite thing to do here is help first time growers
At least on that we can agree
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
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LtLurker said: I can't even name 50 items you could use for a basic brf grow, let alone have to buy. You should read through the first link and re-evaluate your list cause a lot of it is already in most homes. Rice/flour Verm Jars MSS syringe Pot Hammer & nail Plastic baggies water spray bottle Plastic tote(SAB) ISO Gloves Light bulb Dehydrator Tin foil
Optional More tubs(sgfc or shoebox) Perlite(sgfc) Coir(shoebox)
Now you have made my point 
What's the light bulb for? ^^
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz] 1
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How? you're talking about a huge list and it's actually a small list of everything i can think of, about 1/4 of which most people already have. You're being a little silly dude.
Are you seriously asking why you should have light for a grow? Come on dude...
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
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LtLurker said: I can't even name 50 items you could use for a basic brf grow, let alone have to buy. You should read through the first link and re-evaluate your list cause a lot of it is already in most homes. Rice/flour Verm Jars MSS syringe Pot Hammer & nail Plastic baggies water spray bottle Plastic tote(SAB) ISO Gloves Light bulb Dehydrator Tin foil
Optional More tubs(sgfc or shoebox) Perlite(sgfc) Coir(shoebox)
- Pressure cooker - Scalpel - Hole punsher - Agar - Malt - Food color - Petri dishes - Balance - Micropore tape - SHIP / Inoculation port - Hydrometer - Parafilm - Steril swabs - Soldering Iron - Inoculation loop - SFD's - RTV silicon - Gypsum - Capsules and capsule machine
Plus some more stuff which was good to buy or wasn't
And well I have never said it is just for a BRF grow, but starting with this hobby doesn't end with picking a fruit from a cake as you surely know very well yourself
That's why skipping the easy-peasy 12 year old baby stuff of mixing an BRF cake in the beginning, as you may call it, just makes things easier and buying one grow box in your lifetime doesn't make a difference on your bill in the end
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27126101 - 01/04/21 12:43 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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shit u can usually score a pc and a dehydrator at a thrift/goodwill store for less than 50$
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
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LtLurker said: How? you're talking about a huge list and it's actually a small list of everything i can think of, about 1/4 of which most people already have. You're being a little silly dude.
Are you seriously asking why you should have light for a grow? Come on dude...
There is daylight, ever heard of it? Dude, don't call me names... 
Well and I am not sure if that is a nice way how to answer a question of a noob...
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: jcm4620]
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jcm4620 said: shit u can usually score a pc and a dehydrator at a thrift/goodwill store for less than 50$
Sure, every place on this planet works just like the US...
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: jcm4620]
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jcm4620 said: shit u can usually score a pc and a dehydrator at a thrift/goodwill store for less than 50$
Try to get a decent sized PC in Europe or SFD's and there are plenty of other things which just don't work as easy as some teks may make it sound, because products or measurements aren't the same outside of the US
23 quart prezo PC's is what some would kill for on this side of the pond and buying used PC's dude, I have been there and ended up wasting time as again some things are just different
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
#27126129 - 01/04/21 12:54 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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ya god bless the good ol USA i cant believe stupid laws over there regarding pressure cookers n shit
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: jcm4620]
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jcm4620 said: ya god bless the good ol USA i cant believe stupid laws over there regarding pressure cookers n shit
I have no idea what makes it so difficult, but my 6 liter PC for 55 USD can be considered a good buy
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz] 1
#27126427 - 01/04/21 03:30 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Dude it's really weird that you're the primary poster in this thread, and have chosen grow kits as the hill you wanna die on. I mean, I'm done talking about it, so suit yourself, but it's definitely a bit of a phenomenon.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
#27126449 - 01/04/21 03:43 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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<$200US you can build your own kit. PC SAB Jars Jar Lids Unmodified Tubs Mini Rounds Agar Powder Scalpel 50lb cereal of choice Spores Sanitizer Torch
Half of the cost is investing in longterm use multitaskers. I guess you could hustle all that shit in a package for like $300+S/H=$500 or people can go shopping like normal.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
#27126523 - 01/04/21 04:15 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Inocuole said: Dude it's really weird that you're the primary poster in this thread, and have chosen grow kits as the hill you wanna die on. I mean, I'm done talking about it, so suit yourself, but it's definitely a bit of a phenomenon.
Sure, I am weird because my opinion isn't in line with the superior mainstream echo. Suit yourself yourself
Sarcasm off
For me the one grow box I bought helped me getting into the hobby as a noob and I can justify to recommend to start with one.
It's more of a phenomenon, that so many people with thousands of posts immediately cry against them, calling names and call it baby stuff to do BRF. Some of you guys really seem to lost any touch with how it actually is to be a noob. And even more so to be one nowadays and not whenever you got into the hobby.
They get as cheap as 23€, not the kind of money that would explain why you guys are leading such a crusade against them
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LtLurker said: How? you're talking about a huge list and it's actually a small list of everything i can think of, about 1/4 of which most people already have. You're being a little silly dude.
Are you seriously asking why you should have light for a grow? Come on dude...
There is daylight, ever heard of it? Dude, don't call me names... 
Well and I am not sure if that is a nice way how to answer a question of a noob...
ok dude, here's my issue. The whole convo was about how easy brf is and how it's far more valuable & practicle than a kit. You're shifting the goal post by bringing in agar, pc, and grain supplies after i already conceded cakes can go jar, sgfc, or tubs to make the list bigger. And you also want to be semantic about the light bulb?
Dude, i think you're just being a contrarian at this point.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker] 1
#27126997 - 01/04/21 07:57 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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nuttn wrong with brf however there is somethin wrong with payin 100$ for a bacteria ridden moldy brick of brf that they giv u a plastic bag for and say ya just squirt water on the bag🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: jcm4620]
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jcm4620 said: nuttn wrong with brf however there is somethin wrong with payin 100$ for a bacteria ridden moldy brick of brf that they giv u a plastic bag for and say ya just squirt water on the bag🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Absolutely people need to be aware of scams like that
A decent grow box for 23€ from a vendor (like some of the sponsors here) which even replaces it when things go South is a whole different story thou
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
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LtLurker said: How? you're talking about a huge list and it's actually a small list of everything i can think of, about 1/4 of which most people already have. You're being a little silly dude.
Are you seriously asking why you should have light for a grow? Come on dude...
There is daylight, ever heard of it? Dude, don't call me names... 
Well and I am not sure if that is a nice way how to answer a question of a noob...
ok dude, here's my issue. The whole convo was about how easy brf is and how it's far more valuable & practicle than a kit. You're shifting the goal post by bringing in agar, pc, and grain supplies after i already conceded cakes can go jar, sgfc, or tubs to make the list bigger. And you also want to be semantic about the light bulb?
Dude, i think you're just being a contrarian at this point.
Nah bro, only if you ignore what I have said before
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroomple]
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Shroomple said: What dat guy said^^
If you don’t wanna buy a pressure cooker, I’d check out Etsy and help out some people who might be struggling in these hard times. Get some agar plates and sterilized BRF cakes from a solid vendor. Inoculate several jars then knock up agar plates under sterile conditions. Buy a plastic tote, perlite w/out added nutrients and fruit. EZ PZ.
A few jars will likely contam just because of the difficulty making 100% sterile syringes. Agar will give you an idea of how nasty they are. If your brf cakes work and you wanna go pro, isolate the prettiest, fastest, cleanest agar sections w more agar, knock up some grain (STERILE TECHNIQUE) and once it’s fully colonized, mix with substrate. You can buy grain and substrate from Etsy or recommended vendors page.
Step 3: get schwifty
For the record, I simply don't have space for a pressure cooker... "Agar" stands for...?
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
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Noitartst said: Hm. I'm thinking of this grow kit, in general; sound like a good deal? Here it is: MOD EDIT PLEASE READ THE RULES ANy better suggestions?
If you are in Europe rather look for a "grow box" which is more or less a BRF cake already colonized by cube mycelium which should grow shrooms in 2-3 weeks after delivery. A cheap one will suffice, but look to get one of a vendor with a good service quality, have a look at the forum sponsors and/or do your search here in the forum to see which vendor tends to replace failed grow kits. Just don't forget to make a spore syringe and/or a clone to agar from fruits of the box
If you are on the other side of the pond and you are referring to a grow kit where you get a bag of grains and a MS syringe, you are probably better of to follow the common advice to not buy it.
I live in a trailer with limited space in the US. Such are my limitations.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: jcm4620]
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Just keep in mind, I don't have space for stove in my trailer, right now, and no space to store thing in, save my trailer itself.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: HappinessStan]
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Search "grow kits" with the search bar and you'll see how many times people fail with grow kits. The time you would waste watching a grow kit fail and asking loads of questions here would be better used reading up on teks and understanding the life cycle of mushrooms, sterile technique, and contamination issues. The money you'd save will buy you things which you can use over and over so you can actually get into the hobby, instead of buying expensive grow kits, never getting any results, then giving up frustrated and fruitless. Listen to the people here, they have your best interests at heart. ✌️&❤️
As to sterilization, yes; that is the biggie, and how to combine that concern with grow kits?
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: jcm4620]
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Inocuole said: I know they're not the same. I know what comes in euro grow kits. And yes, they are significantly better than what you get here if you want actual product in your hands. Most of us don't post here to put mushrooms in people's hands though, we post to teach people how to grow.
I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm just saying, I get that some people just want results fast. When I first started, I wanted results fast. But how quickly someone wants results has never been a factor here.
If you wanna talk about kits, a cultivation forum might not be the best place. Like a pc building forum isn't the best place to ask about laptops. Like a dojo isn't the best place to ask about firearms. Like a culinary academy isn't the best place to ask about microwave dinners. I could go on. I won't. But I could.
well put
ANd for the record, I am talking AMercian grow kits, as opposed to european ones...
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Noitartst]
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If you do decide to listen to us, that pressure cooker won't take up that much space, and you can store things in it when not being used, like jars and other parts of your growing supplies. If you don't want to invest in these things, and only want a grow kit, then you will likely fail multiple times and waste hours here asking what went wrong/how you can fix it. Then, you'll probably learn the hard way, bite the bullet, and buy a PC and all the other kit. I re-use recycled jars for mushrooms, and my pc comes in so handy for cooking other beans and grains. I use it for cooking soybeans to make tempeh, works a treat. A pressure cooker is a great buy, even if you don't grow shrooms. Mine was only £40 and I've had it 8 years now. Seriously, my setup is so cheap,the only things i buy are grains, coir, some agar powder(vegetarian gelatine made from seaweed used in petri dishes), petris(though you can recycle baby food jars and other small jars for this), scalpel, 70%iso alcohol, and a few plastic totes or a still air box(mine cost me £6 plus £4 for some metal racks for the bottom) and some growing chambers. Everything else is found lying around the house or recycled. As someone else said, if you're genuinely interested in learning properly, generous people here will happily send you a free print. The people here are incredible, they want the best for you. Listen to their advice, they've seen thousands of people come here asking questions about why their kit has stalled or contaminated, they've also seen thousands of people heed their advice, buy the right supplies and grown tonnes of shrooms. They're not saying it to be elitist, they're saying it to help you, because they've seen what happens with kits, over and over and over.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: HappinessStan] 1
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well maybe u should invest in living quarters before playin with mushrooms🤷🏼 but if ur not gnna even attempt to listen or try then there is just no point in this here so just go waste ur $$ on garbage and then when it fails u can say we told u so.
cuz if u got room for that mickey mouse shit u got room to do it correctly. ur tellin me u cant squeeze a 23 qt presto into ur trailer?? should we call hoarders?? is it that bad??
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