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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: coversall]
    #27125375 - 01/04/21 06:32 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Good kit is an oxymoron.


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
    #27125377 - 01/04/21 06:34 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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Getting a print or clone tissue from a mushroom, making syringes, agar, LC or whatever out of it, for me, is cultivation, no matter how one got hands on the fruit in the first place. But that's just :2cents:

If a mod decides to move it to "Getting started" or whatever so be it :bow:




This is a fair point but what are the chances of someone who doesn't wanna start off properly pulling off a clone or print properly?  If you have the initiative and skill to take prints or clones then you probably could just save yourself the money and grow from spore.

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Good kit is an oxymoron.




Don't forget cheap, he wants it to be cheap too.  But also good!  :lol:


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
    #27125390 - 01/04/21 06:39 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

:lol:oh yea true. Cheapest kits are what now, 2-3 times the actual cost of materials?


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
    #27125422 - 01/04/21 06:57 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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I know they're not the same.  I know what comes in euro grow kits.  And yes, they are significantly better than what you get here if you want actual product in your hands.  Most of us don't post here to put mushrooms in people's hands though, we post to teach people how to grow.

I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm just saying, I get that some people just want results fast.  When I first started, I wanted results fast.  But how quickly someone wants results has never been a factor here.

If you wanna talk about kits, a cultivation forum might not be the best place.  Like a pc building forum isn't the best place to ask about laptops.  Like a dojo isn't the best place to ask about firearms.  Like a culinary academy isn't the best place to ask about microwave dinners.  I could go on.  I won't.  But I could.





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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Inocuole]
    #27125452 - 01/04/21 07:23 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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This is a fair point but what are the chances of someone who doesn't wanna start off properly pulling off a clone or print properly?  If you have the initiative and skill to take prints or clones then you probably could just save yourself the money and grow from spore.




I guess, people that do not want to learn will eventually fail anyways.

I see people keep on saying that grow boxes are expensive, but fail on providing any solid calculation for it

To start with PF-TEK one needs:
  • Print / MSS 15-20€
  • BRF 3€
  • A container with a GE filter, cheapest would be to reuse regular glas and some micropore tape 3€+
  • Vermiculite 4€ for a small bag
  • Plus plenty of missing (household) items needed on the way
  • In total 25-30€ plus (probably multiple times) shipping


On the other side a grow box (600ml) is 23€ plus shipping

For someone who just wants to start growing some shrooms and see if they like the hobby both options do have their place


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
    #27125460 - 01/04/21 07:26 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

You just made our point. Your gonna reuse most of that and can easily grow 5x more shrooms with the initial investment and materials than you would with the single use kit.


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27125462 - 01/04/21 07:29 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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Yea just made our point. Your gonna reuse most of that and can easily grow 5x more shrooms with the initial investment and materials than the kit.





If a couple of US/EUR or whatever is the reason for someone to stop the hobby so be it.

That you scare away people from even getting started with it, because it is overwhelming, is what you seem to just don't want to acknowledge.


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
    #27125480 - 01/04/21 07:37 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

But its not overwhelming, its laid out step by step, you just have to be able to follow directions. 12 year olds could do brf cakes like a school science experiment.


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27125832 - 01/04/21 10:55 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

PRO TIP i see decent sized PC at indian groceries!  at least 6 qurt jars or case of PFjars could fit and 45-65 bucks i think under a 100 for decent sized one if i remember correctly.


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: the man]
    #27125889 - 01/04/21 11:15 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

listen to the what the experienced people are telling you, they know from trial and error . You can find a good used pressure cooker on craigslist or Facebook marketplace. With all the great information you have here you will be successful with some persistence.
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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27125943 - 01/04/21 11:36 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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You just made our point. Your gonna reuse most of that and can easily grow 5x more shrooms with the initial investment and materials than you would with the single use kit.




Can you prove that number? Or is it just supposed to be true because you say so?


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, CHeap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27125960 - 01/04/21 11:44 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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But its not overwhelming, its laid out step by step, you just have to be able to follow directions. 12 year olds could do brf cakes like a school science experiment.




Sure, maybe even a 12 years old could provide a list of all the equipment and time and techniques needed to start as a noob.

Maybe a list not ignoring that there are plenty of other aspects to think of than just watching a cake to grow. Aspects like, fruiting, drying, processing, storing, cultivating in many different forms and of course learning and improving techniques. All stuff that you probably have learned a long time ago judging by your registration date and post count. What exactly qualifies you to call that not overwhelming for a noob?


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: howdidigethere]
    #27125981 - 01/04/21 11:51 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I live in the shite US where you can’t get a kit, spores are even illegal in this state.

If I could get a kit, I probably would buy it. I would still also be spending hundreds on all this other gear though.

I  should have just injected MSS to PCed jars, that’s basically the simplest way to get some yield without going directly to kit, and I’d get a taste of the whole process rather than have spent weeks waiting for agar. I’ve dedicated a majority of one room to this cause, and bought many appliances, tubs, ingredients, jars, etc. I understand I’ll get repeated bulk yields out of these when I’m successful, but I feel like a proper dumbass for putting myself through the agar gauntlet with 0 experience when I see pics of canopy yields from MSS posted daily. From all that I’ve spent to have inferior results, I can’t hate on people who get quick results. Don’t be me, OP. Buy syringes.


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: cutie]
    #27126008 - 01/04/21 11:58 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

If you can measure, mix and run a timer then you can make cakes. It's really as simple as following directions. But if you wanna start bad habits and wager everything on some stranger not making a mistake, go ahead. Most people that get a kit kick themselves when they actually make their own jars and see how easy it is.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086
Surface conditions, harvest and drying are all a part of it regardless if you buy a kit or make them. I don't understand how mixing is overwhelming to you.


And someone did do the estimate, it's more like $50 to start, but still produces far more than a kit that might produce for that amount of money.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24981864&page=0&vc=1#24981864

It's not cause i say so, it's cause everyone that's been through this has learned how over priced and a gamble kits are. We all started from knowing nothing, followed each step of the directions carefully, made mistakes and corrected them. It's not hard, it's just learning something new like anything else and mushrooms is not a hard thing to learn.

My experience actually does help btw. My favorite thing to do here is help first time growers and i see the same questions and issues all the time. I've don't think i've ever seen a new grower say they were glad they got a kit first, and even the ones that say things are overwhelming at first realize it is simple once they start looking at 1 phase at a time and just follow the recipe.


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: cutie]
    #27126024 - 01/04/21 12:03 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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I live in the shite US where you can’t get a kit, spores are even illegal in this state.

If I could get a kit, I probably would buy it. I would still also be spending hundreds on all this other gear though.

I  should have just injected MSS to PCed jars, that’s basically the simplest way to get some yield without going directly to kit, and I’d get a taste of the whole process rather than have spent weeks waiting for agar. I’ve dedicated a majority of one room to this cause, and bought many appliances, tubs, ingredients, jars, etc. I understand I’ll get repeated bulk yields out of these when I’m successful, but I feel like a proper dumbass for putting myself through the agar gauntlet with 0 experience when I see pics of canopy yields from MSS posted daily. From all that I’ve spent to have inferior results, I can’t hate on people who get quick results. Don’t be me, OP. Buy syringes.




Haha, well it's not possible to buy APE spores in Europe, but as I maybe could order them from the US, some vendors in Europe do ship griw boxes to the US. I would wait for milder climate thou, not sure if the mycelium likes to get (nearly) frozen. And no idea about the legal aspects of ordering that stuff.

Yep, the gear sums up I have magically spent hundreds for all the equipment and I try to DIY as much as possible.

Agree, MSS to BRF is the most fail proof I know of besides grow boxes, vermiculite & flours seems to be much more forgiving than grains for example with bacteria.

Agar and all is fun, but it also takes so much time :waitingpatiently:

At least my first BRF's seem to be ready in a week or so :cheer:


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27126058 - 01/04/21 12:19 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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If you can measure, mix and run a timer then you can make cakes. It's really as simple as following directions. But if you wanna start bad habits and wager everything on some stranger not making a mistake, go ahead. Most people that get a kit kick themselves when they actually make their own jars and see how easy it is.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086
Surface conditions, harvest and drying are all a part of it regardless if you buy a kit or make them. I don't understand how mixing is overwhelming to you.


And someone did do the estimate, it's more like $50 to start, but still produces far more than a kit that might produce for that amount of money.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24981864&page=0&vc=1#24981864

It's not cause i say so, it's cause everyone that's been through this has learned how over priced and a gamble kits are. We all started from knowing nothing, followed each step of the directions carefully, made mistakes and corrected them. It's not hard, it's just learning something new like anything else and mushrooms is not a hard thing to learn.




To keep it short, yeah the ingredients for some BRF cake are cheap, still anything else around this hobby adds up pretty substantially. Lol my shopping list counts over 50 items. I don't know about you, but I didn't need any of that stuff before for other hobbies.


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz]
    #27126061 - 01/04/21 12:22 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I can't even name 50 items you could use for a basic brf grow, let alone have to buy. You should read through the first link and re-evaluate your list cause a lot of it is already in most homes.
Rice/flour
Verm
Jars
MSS syringe
Pot
Hammer & nail
Plastic baggies
water spray bottle
Plastic tote(SAB)
ISO
Gloves
Light bulb
Dehydrator
Tin foil

Optional
More tubs(sgfc or shoebox)
Perlite(sgfc)
Coir(shoebox)


Edited by LtLurker (01/04/21 12:27 PM)


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27126072 - 01/04/21 12:28 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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My favorite thing to do here is help first time growers




At least on that we can agree :grin:


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27126074 - 01/04/21 12:29 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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I can't even name 50 items you could use for a basic brf grow, let alone have to buy. You should read through the first link and re-evaluate your list cause a lot of it is already in most homes.
Rice/flour
Verm
Jars
MSS syringe
Pot
Hammer & nail
Plastic baggies
water spray bottle
Plastic tote(SAB)
ISO
Gloves
Light bulb
Dehydrator
Tin foil

Optional
More tubs(sgfc or shoebox)
Perlite(sgfc)
Coir(shoebox)




Now you have made my point :laugh:

What's the light bulb for? ^^


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Re: How (and Where) to Buy a Good, Cheap Grow Kit for Psilocybins? [Re: Shroombitz] * 1
    #27126076 - 01/04/21 12:30 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

How? you're talking about a huge list and it's actually a small list of everything i can think of, about 1/4 of which most people already have. You're being a little silly dude.

Are you seriously asking why you should have light for a grow? Come on dude...


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