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My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions?
    #27124854 - 01/03/21 09:46 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I am growing "Golden Teacher" from a LC using the broke boy tek (brown rice spawn in jar, coconut coir and vermiculite tub).

The mushrooms are small when compared to the ones I see in grow logs. The veils are already broken and they are no bigger than a bic lighter.

Firstly, these are P. Cubensis, right...?

Secondly, what am I doing wrong here? Are they starved for oxygen? I did put them into the tub a little early I think. The jars were not brick-level white but they had stalled (I think the jar had dried up).



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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27124858 - 01/03/21 09:47 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

They look like they are looking for air.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27124868 - 01/03/21 09:58 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Their suffocating.. it's a delicate balance of giving them as much ventilation as possible while not sacrificing temperature and humidity control. :stoned:


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Podamous]
    #27124952 - 01/03/21 11:00 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I have added a small PC fan running at 50% speed and cranked the side of the dome open. I'll try to mist the dome once a day to maintain the humidity.



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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27125295 - 01/04/21 05:34 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I transplanted them to something a little more appropriate. I hope I didn't contaminate anything during the transplant :rolleyes:



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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27125364 - 01/04/21 06:24 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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I have added a small PC fan running at 50% speed and cranked the side of the dome open. I'll try to mist the dome once a day to maintain the humidity.





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I transplanted them to something a little more appropriate. I hope I didn't contaminate anything during the transplant :rolleyes:






This is wholly unnecessary.  For all the effort of plugging up a fan to run, that close to the thing, you could just open the gap a little wider and let passive airflow do its job.  You do not wanna end up with one of these:




Check out bods unmodified tubs:
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Their suffocating.. it's a delicate balance of giving them as much ventilation as possible while not sacrificing temperature and humidity control. :stoned:




I sacrifice the shit out of humidity knowing I can just replace it by misting.  Max FAE can solve a LOT of issues while growing.  Faster pinning, less contamination, etc.  It's just a matter of maintaining that balance one way or the other.  Evaporation is a primary pinning trigger.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #27125371 - 01/04/21 06:28 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Stop with broke boi. Spores to straight rice is dirty, expensive, and you can't even shake or g2g like a real grain.

Stop spores to lc. Spores are dirty. Brf cakes or agar is all they should touch

Stop with the fan and just crack the tub more. Should be getting 12/12 6500k light to.


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    #27127537 - 01/05/21 05:07 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27127593 - 01/05/21 06:15 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Also can I get confirmation that these mushrooms are in fact P. Cubensis? They bruise blue but they look different to the images I see in grow logs.

I haven't cultivated mushrooms before so coming up to the point of consumption I am feeling a little weary :rolleyes:



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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27127811 - 01/05/21 09:23 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Picked a little early but yes they're cubes.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27127825 - 01/05/21 09:35 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Cubes for sure. They look pretty strong too. If this is your first time then you did really well with the methods you used. There are other better methods out there for sure but you did a good job with what you had.

Keep trying and don't get discouraged. There is a load of info and good people here willing to help you along (if you can sift through the ego trolls and gatekeepers lol).


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Nichrome] * 1
    #27128984 - 01/05/21 06:21 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

What does pretty strong look like, in your opinion?  Just curious.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Inocuole]
    #27128998 - 01/05/21 06:26 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

From the looks of it that tub had some kind of mold.
All my tubs that had that gray/white mold that is fucking impossible to see look exactly like yours OP.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: mushhead]
    #27129005 - 01/05/21 06:29 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I dunno, they might just look like that because he suffocated them the whole time.  That'll make cubes do some pretty weird shit.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Inocuole]
    #27129041 - 01/05/21 06:41 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

oxygen deprivation makes basically everything do some weird shit.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: mushhead]
    #27129719 - 01/06/21 05:29 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Here is what the tub looks like today. I don't think I see any signs of mold anywhere. I have started misting the tub three times a day and using the lid to fan the inside to encourage evaporation. I have a fan but I keep it off, instead opting to keep the lid ajar.



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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27130002 - 01/06/21 10:22 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

There is no mold there. The look of those cubes has more to do with phenotype than airflow.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Inocuole]
    #27130070 - 01/06/21 10:50 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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What does pretty strong look like, in your opinion?  Just curious.



Be careful man...
My first grow back in 2019 also grew some thin small muthafuckas. (Because of contamination)
When the fruit is small its more potent by weight as in one large 5g mushroom isn't as potent as 5g's of little bastards :grin: I didn't know that shit. I ate 2.5gs powdered into chocolate and was in outer space with the pillars of light... Needless to say I grew all those shrooms tripped insanely hard then stopped for a while because of it. Beware the little guys

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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Nichrome]
    #27130141 - 01/06/21 11:18 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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My assumption was incorrect as I could not see properly into the tub.
Looks okay but yes more FAE, the base of your stems are a bit fuzzy.

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There is no mold there. The look of those cubes has more to do with phenotype than airflow.



idk about that, the stems/stipes do look like they've been trying to reach for air and then they got what was needed.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #27130149 - 01/06/21 11:22 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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Be careful man...




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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: mushhead]
    #27130151 - 01/06/21 11:22 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

They look better for sure. What light are you using?

Also to an above poster powdering actives as well gives them more of a kick too! Must of had to hold on tight for that one!


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Dr.Sparkle]
    #27134333 - 01/08/21 12:46 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Status update. They are really crowding the box! I am not sure exactly when (or how) to pick them.

I decided to pick half to make room for the ones in there. Some have turned black, but I think they are just covered in the spores of the mushrooms on top of them.

I am having a lot of trouble controlling the humidity because my house is really dry.

I don't have them on any light cycle actually. I keep them in my wardrobe and pull them out about 4 times a day to moisturise and fan with the lid.

Do they get much bigger than this? Should I be waiting longer to pick them? For scale, that's an A3 sized paper in the picture.



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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27134351 - 01/08/21 01:03 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Those are ready to go. They won't get much bigger than that, but they will dump spore on everything fast and that looks gross. Crowded is always good.:super:

Make sure to make a hand full of spore prints so you can keep experimenting.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Nichrome]
    #27134823 - 01/08/21 09:54 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Oh jesus thats a fucking great result! Don’t change alot if anything my friend! I would say pick them sooner next time. Its just before the veils break for best looks! Fuck spores getting everywhere and ruining the look.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Dr.Sparkle]
    #27134844 - 01/08/21 10:04 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Do they get much bigger than this? Should I be waiting longer to pick them? For scale, that's an A3 sized paper in the picture.







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I would say pick them sooner next time. Its just before the veils break for best looks! Fuck spores getting everywhere and ruining the look.




It depends on what you're looking for. The best time if you are looking for potency by weight is far before you picked these ones Just before the veil breaks is ideal.

The best time to pick for spore prints looks about when you picked them so good job :super: just a little extra weight per actives.

If you're looking to grow weight you let them get as mature as possible (preferable with a sterile sporeless or translucent spore variety so that you can get as much weight as possible.) So like I said. it depends on what you're after.

You should read this "How it should and shouldn't look" post. #4 has lots of visual explanations of when to harvest :smile:

Edit: and to answer "do they get bigger"? Yes they get bigger but with your variety it'll be a bigger mess then anything. All your future flushes will be black caps as the mature fruits sporulate on your primordia and pinset. The upside to indoor growing and watching your grow instead of going out hunting is you can choose exactly when to harvest for what purpose

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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #27134854 - 01/08/21 10:12 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I believe they just add water weight after a certain point, so they weigh no more or just a tiny bit more if anything when dry and get they get β€œugly”.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27135125 - 01/08/21 12:07 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Nice!!! Love to see the recovery from the first pics to these. Seems like the changes you made worked well. Keep it up :rockon:


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Benson] * 1
    #27135252 - 01/08/21 01:05 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

IME big mature fruits don't lack diddly squat. Plenty of off the wall, full on, out there times with fully mature fruits. I think that picking them early is a good rule of thumb for most but it really seems to have more to do with genetic expression whether or not they "stop producing" actives at a certain point.

Maturity and degradation are different things. Most fungi are efficient at cannibalism when and if the time comes. This seems to be a point where any loss of potency generally occurs. Learning to recognize fungal behavior patterns and signs of maturity is a life long and enthralling endeavor for some.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Nichrome]
    #27135278 - 01/08/21 01:19 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

What he said.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Dr.Sparkle]
    #27136489 - 01/08/21 09:59 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

What's interesting is I have a second tub (I original thought was contaminated, so I separated it)

It is now pinning and it has fewer pins but they are massive. I'll take photos when I am back home but the stem is as thick as my thumb on two of them. They are short but their veil isn't broken so I am watching with great interest.

I tried to take mycelium from the tub and inoculate a few rice jars but they all got contaminated, sadly. I might try using the spore prints to cultivate again but I think I already have more than one person can consume :rolleyes:

As a hobby, it's very fun and I feel like I want to grow more just for the sake of growing them!


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27136806 - 01/09/21 04:18 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Here are the fruits from the second tub. I put them in the coir one week after the first tub (pictured previously) so they are lagging a little behind.



One of the mushrooms has a big white spot on it, which is weird - should I be concerned?



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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27137184 - 01/09/21 09:25 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Nah its pretty common especially in the B+ variety


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #27143181 - 01/12/21 05:12 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Took .5g dried to see if anything would happen and it did! I can't believe I grew mushrooms and they were also the right mushrooms :grin: :grin: :grin:

Going to try 1.5 - 2g this weekend!


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27143383 - 01/12/21 09:05 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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Took .5g dried to see if anything would happen and it did! I can't believe I grew mushrooms and they were also the right mushrooms :grin: :grin: :grin:

Going to try 1.5 - 2g this weekend!



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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: EagerNoob42]
    #27146848 - 01/13/21 11:28 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Just wanted to thank everyone here for their help. I couldn't have done it without you! :rocket: :mushroom2:  :thanx:


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27158248 - 01/19/21 08:12 PM (3 years, 9 days ago)

I just added water to kick my second flush in and I noticed some contamination. The mushrooms are growing better than before but there is some kind of mold growing on the substrate.

Should I throw away these mushrooms/are they unsafe to consume?

Here they are a couple days ago:



Today:



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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27158386 - 01/19/21 09:29 PM (3 years, 8 days ago)

I'm no expert but I don't see any contam in there at all. I see mycelium colonizing your coir and your fruits have fuzzy feet because they might need a little more FAE, but all in all they look healthy to me.

Definitely safe to eat, but as far as contams go, wait til someone more experienced than me chimes in, but I don't see any.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: EagerNoob42]
    #27158437 - 01/19/21 10:15 PM (3 years, 8 days ago)

I don't see any mold either and he's right about mycelium colonizing the coir and the "fuzzy feet" due to not enough Fresh air exchange. Safe to eat. Or make tea. Have you tried the tea here yet? It's great. Pairs nicely with a little honey.


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27158482 - 01/19/21 10:46 PM (3 years, 8 days ago)

Oh awesome, I saw some fuzz that appeared darker than the rest and got worried. I'll keep an eye on it and report back if anything happens.

I am pretty inexperienced with them in general (did 1 trip almost 15 years ago). Last saturday I ate 1g dry (no prep, all mushroom) with a few friends on the beach. Felt a bit of nausea on the come up but my god what an incredible day.

I read that tea can reduce the nausea and lemon can increase the potency so I got a few tea bags for next time. Speaking of which, how often do you trip? I know your tolerance resets after a week but I am weary of tripping too often - though I am excited to try again as soon as I can :grin:


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Re: My LC P. Cub don't look like the ones in grow logs, any suggestions? [Re: angryteabag]
    #27158496 - 01/19/21 10:58 PM (3 years, 8 days ago)

I thought it was typically no longer a common practice to make and use lc? I haven't used one in a couple years. I just use agar and sterile water. Inject, agitate and draw back up. Use immediately. No extra sugars. Lc is offers too many x factors for the environment you're trying to create. For an outdoor grow not a big deal. But indoor you are recreating the perfect condition for the mushroom to thrive free of competition. And any extra sugars is self defeating. Mycelium doesn't do better with more sugar or nutrition. It likes diversity not more. More nutrients longer to fruit. They have to run out of nutrition before they start producing fruit. Skip lc. Really. Go with agar and slants.


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