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How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral?
    #27123968 - 01/03/21 01:36 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

I took 100ug of LSD sublingually 50minutes ago.
I left it under my tongue for 23miutes (as much as I could my mouth was salivating like mad)

So far I'm only just feeling first alerts... I was expecting it to be faster.
I'm starting to feel like I spat most of it out.
The reason for sublingual dosing and then spitting it out is I discovered that transdermal application eliminates the body load for me.
Especially the twisting stomach and muscle tension.

But saliva is a problem with sublingual dosing... too much of it anyhow.
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I'm thinking about redosing.. and if it's still weak. MDMA. xD
Edit: T+1h25.... still underwhelming... interesting. Redosed another 100ug

So far it seems trans-dermal was more successful than subligual


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: bob5] * 1
    #27124073 - 01/03/21 02:26 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

idk I have never noticed a significant difference in onset or effects from sublingual or oral dosage. that’s interesting you say it alleviates the body load

did you spit out the paper I guess? I think after 23min you should get most of it from sublingual absorption and also from swallowing some of your spit.

gonna take a guess that you’re probably tripping by now.


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153] * 1
    #27124260 - 01/03/21 04:12 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

zero diff, faster to ingest IMO especially if mouth is dry.

typically I chew chew chew chew and swallow when done


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: bob5]
    #27124323 - 01/03/21 04:50 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Im curious on your transdermal method. Ive tried with LSD blotter with little (placebo?) effect.


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #27124974 - 01/03/21 11:16 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

No difference.  I take a drop of liquid anywhere in the mouth there are so many blood vessels before it goes down my throat it's already all absorbed into the system.  Also it's like.. dude.. a few hundred micrograms of material?  Thats absorbed within a few seconds when it's liquid.

Even if it's blotter, the saliva you swallow when its in your mouth is just absorbed in your throat no point trying to sublingual it.  Fuck I pretty much never dose blotter these days I dislike paper strongly, but I tend to just suck on it for about 5 minutes and spit it out.  Within a minute or so it's already probably all absorbed, but it's best to make sure.  So yeah suck on it for 5 minutes spit it out you're good; just don't drink any liquids while it's in your mouth.  smoking isn't a big deal but better not too.  You can keep it under your tongue or on your tongue or in your gums, I tend to keep it in my gums.  The paper might actually irritate under your tongue now that I think about it.


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: bob5]
    #27126326 - 01/04/21 02:41 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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bob5 said:
I took 100ug of LSD sublingually 50minutes ago.
I left it under my tongue for 23miutes (as much as I could my mouth was salivating like mad)

So far I'm only just feeling first alerts... I was expecting it to be faster.
I'm starting to feel like I spat most of it out.






Why were you spitting while holding the LSD in your mouth? lol



I can't really answer tho, I've never taken LSD "orally". I've always dosed LSD sublingually. I always place the tab directly under my tongue or if it is liquid I always drop the liquid directly under my tongue.

I do seem to come up on LSD more rapidly than most people do though, I always thought this was because I take my dose directly under the tongue and don't "swallow" it...I usually feel the "first alert" and start coming up within about 1 minute after dosing and I'm starting to actually "trip" by around 30 min after dosing....I often hear people say they don't start to notice the first sign of things happening until 40 to 60+ minutes after dosing, things start way sooner for me, almost immediately...And when dosing 200mcg+ and upwards, it is damn near immediately lol.






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So far it seems trans-dermal was more successful than subligual






How are you going about dosing LSD trans-dermal?

I've never heard of anyone having success dosing LSD through the skin.


I don't see how dosing through the skin would be more effective than dosing under the tongue. I feel that sublingual is the most efficient/effective route to dose LSD besides taking it IV or boofing it lol.






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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: openmind] * 1
    #27131637 - 01/06/21 08:24 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

LSD is inactive transdermal, no matter what.  I won't hear that argument.

Why are you spitting the saliva why arent you swallowing it?

I want to help you but this is making no sense.


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27131653 - 01/06/21 08:31 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

I spat it out after 25minutes. I wanted a 'pure sublingual' zero oral dosage.
It worked very well. Though I can't say it came on much faster..

My reason for not wanting to swallow it.. is there are serotonin receptors in the gut. I'd imagine that direct into the blood stream gets to the brain faster than through the digestive system where it might interact with the gut serotonin receptors more - creating worse twisting stomach sensations.


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: bob5]
    #27131666 - 01/06/21 08:44 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

As expected. Right when you put the tab in your mouth, its basically absorbed by your tongue/mouth instantaneously. If you want faster come-ups, you have to do inject liquid LSD intravenously which I of course do NOT recommend cause I hate needles and its dangerous.


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #27131684 - 01/06/21 08:53 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

yeah, no needles ever. :thumbdown:


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #27131709 - 01/06/21 09:03 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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typically I chew chew chew chew and swallow when done




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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #27131749 - 01/06/21 09:17 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Maybe try plugging? Dissolve the tab in distilled water then squirt it “up there”. That would be the closest thing to IV that you could get. Plugging tends to be faster for all drugs, I don’t see why it wouldn’t be for LSD. I know it sounds a little weird but it’s just another ROA when it comes down to it.


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: InvisibleMind] * 1
    #27132208 - 01/07/21 05:19 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

I just put it in my mouth. Never seems like it makes any difference whether I hold it under my tongue or not. I chew it up in a ball because I don't want the tabs getting stuck on the roof of my mouth, again. Once it goes in the clock starts ticking. Nothing seems to change the speed.


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: bob5]
    #27133121 - 01/07/21 02:34 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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My reason for not wanting to swallow it.. is there are serotonin receptors in the gut. I'd imagine that direct into the blood stream gets to the brain faster than through the digestive system where it might interact with the gut serotonin receptors more - creating worse twisting stomach sensations.





There are serotonin receptors all through out the gut/digestive system an through out the body in general.....

...but just because you didn't swallow the LSD does not mean that will prevent the LSD from "activating" those receptors.


I am pretty sure that LSD will still find its way to and activate those receptors in the gut regardless of how the drug is administered. Even if you took LSD via IV directly into your vein, LSD will still "plug into & activate" those receptors in the gut.

So if you find that taking LSD sublingually somehow prevents you from experiencing any stomach issues I'd say it is almost certainly entirely placebo.

Unless you're taking a 5HT3 antagonist of sorts (pretty sure that's what can help block "serotonergic" nausea) then there is no way to prevent LSD from "hitting" those receptors.



It does seem like some folks are more prone to nausea & a twisted stomach from LSD than others. Personally I've almost never experienced any stomach load at all from LSD other than some brief moments where my tummy felt just a little queasy, and even that has only happened maybe 2 or 3 times out of 150+ trips with L.

I have one friend though that pukes from LSD maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of the time he takes it. Though he does tend to take doses a lot larger than I do so that is likely a factor. It happens for him during the come up, usually around 90 to 120 minutes after dosing, and after he pukes he's fine and feels great.





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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: bob5]
    #27133218 - 01/07/21 03:24 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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I spat it out after 25minutes. I wanted a 'pure sublingual' zero oral dosage.
It worked very well. Though I can't say it came on much faster..

My reason for not wanting to swallow it.. is there are serotonin receptors in the gut. I'd imagine that direct into the blood stream gets to the brain faster than through the digestive system where it might interact with the gut serotonin receptors more - creating worse twisting stomach sensations.




no.  that's not how it works, but I used to think that way too.  you dont have to hold saliva in your mouth like that for that long, its just gonna make your mouth uncomfortable and tense.  If you really wanan sublingual it, hold it under your tongue for 5 minutes and then spit the tab out.  Its no different from just sucking on it and spitting the tab out after 5-10 minutes.

Just dont swallow the tabs.  Even like 3-4 small pieces of paper can be enough to bother some folks stomach.


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Re: How much faster to the peak is sublingual LSD compared to oral? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27133642 - 01/07/21 06:29 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

I used to think that the acid in my mouth caused the weird sensation. I get that same weird sensation just thinking about it now, I don't even have to eat it.

Not sure how this works, if my body is just expecting something so gives me those alerts. Maybe it's just the taste of blotter paper. LSD is odorless and tasteless after all.


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