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4-ACO-DMT
    #27121530 - 01/02/21 05:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Tonight I will be embarking on a 25mg 4-aco-dmt trip tonight.

As my past mushroom trips have been some what under whelming visual wise, and indeed spiritual wise which I think was because of a tollerence build up from microdosing the mushrooms. I’ve had a good 2 month break from psychs so I’m hoping for blast off and a “mind reset”

Anyone else had experience with this lovely little molecule?

I’ve took it before but many years ago and remember it been almost identical to real magic mushrooms.

I can’t wait... I’ll let yous know how it goes 🤯


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: nato23]
    #27121557 - 01/02/21 05:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thoeretically it should be identical to psilocin.
Psilocin is 4-ho-dmt, psilocybin is 4-po-dmt. Psilocybin gets converted into 4-ho-dmt in the body, 4-aco-dmt gets also converted to 4-ho-dmt in the body.

The reason it doesn't feel 100% identical might be that the 4-aco gets converted differently to 4-ho than 4-po-dmt. Different enzymes break off different molecules leading to a slightly different bodyload. :shrug:

In the end it's quite the same experience. Psilocin is psilocin, only the way it gets there is different. It's 98% identical.

25mg of 4-aco-dmt are similar to 2.5g of dry cubensis mushrooms, intensity wise. Average dry cubes have up to 1% of alkaloids, so 1g has about 10mg of mixed psilocin and psilocybin.
If you are looking for a strong trip, maybe add 5 to 10mg more? :strokebeard:

Ps: Allthough it's not a novel compound, 4-aco-dmt is still considered a reseach chemical. It suits better in the other drugs subforum.

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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27121567 - 01/02/21 05:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I may add an extra 5-10mg then. Just to make sure I “get there” ha

I have a DMT vape cart coming in the post today hopefully so going to blast that towards the latter part of my trip. CANT WAIT. See yous on the other side.


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: nato23]
    #27121974 - 01/02/21 12:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I have very different trips on 4-aco-dmt. Doesn't feel very like psilocybin to me. Feels more like a cross between psilocin + DMT.

18mg blew me out of the water several times. careful with dosage.
(I've done 30mg, and survived 90+mg {somehow it went well.. that large a dose is reckless.. and probably harmful})
But it's very strong stuff. If your not very experience with this substance I wouldn't go higher than 20mg max first time ... my 2 cents.
Enjoy : )



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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: bob5] * 1
    #27122059 - 01/02/21 01:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

For me on it's own it does feel more like DMT+Psilocin, whereas mushrooms seem to have a certain shroomy feeling. But 4-ACO with Rue feels more mushroomy than mushrooms, but taking mushrooms with Rue or 4-ACO with Rue they're essentially the same for the most part and you can definitely feel the Psilocin from 4-ACO with Rue so there's no doubt it metabolizes into Psilocin, but they say the 4-ACO part is active so it's an active prodrug unlike Psilocybin which is an inactive prodrug, so 4-ACO may have a certain imprint on the overall experience or at least for the come up, but once it's metabolized into Psilocin it'll give you the same things mushrooms are capable of.


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27122731 - 01/02/21 07:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The best thing about RC psychedelics is that you can boof them! You almost completely avoid the come-up and you can redose quickly if you don't get where you want to be.
The come-up on mushrooms seems to be problematic for me at doses much over 5-6g, but I boofed double, triple the equivalent dosage in 4-aco-dmt and other tryptamine analogues without much issue


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: ItAintGotNoGasInIt]
    #27123212 - 01/03/21 04:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well I had about 50mg of the 4-aco. Didn’t really feel much, a don’t know why... my girlfriend had 25mg and she was tripping hard thinking she was a meerkat.

So measure out 3g of Liberty caps. Just washed them down with some OJ and put avatar. I did feel good, but no visuals, no “what the fuck” feelings. I must have a high tolerance 🤯

Only visuals a did have is when I went for a sitty down piss. And the floor was flowing and stuff but apart from that. Nowt. A don’t think I was even in a trippy head space.


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: nato23]
    #27123261 - 01/03/21 06:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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nato23 said:
Well I had about 50mg of the 4-aco. Didn’t really feel much, a don’t know why... my girlfriend had 25mg and she was tripping hard thinking she was a meerkat.

So measure out 3g of Liberty caps. Just washed them down with some OJ and put avatar. I did feel good, but no visuals, no “what the fuck” feelings. I must have a high tolerance 🤯

Only visuals a did have is when I went for a sitty down piss. And the floor was flowing and stuff but apart from that. Nowt. A don’t think I was even in a trippy head space.




What is a sitty down piss?


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27123267 - 01/03/21 06:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I just remembered that last year, or two years ago, at least one batch of 4-aco-dmt was mistaken with 4-ho-met.
Some smartshops in the netherlands sold 4-ho-met labeld as 4-aco-dmt. Several labortests of 4-aco-dmt turned out to be 4-ho-met, here in europe.

Don't know if this wrong batch reached the US. But it's a fact that some people who think they took 4-aco-dmt, have taken 4-ho-met instead.

4-ho-met feels indeed very different to 4-aco-dmt. To me it feels more like a very visual mix between dmt and psilocin.

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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: nato23]
    #27123272 - 01/03/21 06:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

the floor flowing is a strong OEV. Maybe you didnt let the visuals happen if you were watching a movie.


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27123360 - 01/03/21 08:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Strong OEV? Flowing woodgrains are the very first alert of OEVs I know about. It's what happens already with a threshold dose. At least for me.

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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27123371 - 01/03/21 08:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, I barely get any OEV until ->2g dose :shrug:


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27123868 - 01/03/21 12:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The reliability when dosing 4-aco-dmt is what makes it great compared to shrooms. I have taken it somewhere between 10-20 times and I could always dose myself to exactly the place I wanted to be.
I mean sure you could approach that dosing precision blending shrooms into a homogenized powder but knowing exactly the milligrams you are taking helps a lot.

Other than that your body does not have much to digest which is also great. Your 30mg should be a decent trip similar to 3g but with better precision. The feel can be different but that could simply be because the substance reaches your brain a little quicker as its literally water + the psilocin pro-drug.

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ItAintGotNoGasInIt said:

The come-up on mushrooms seems to be problematic for me at doses much over 5-6g, but I boofed double, triple the equivalent dosage in 4-aco-dmt and other tryptamine analogues without much issue



Boofing seems to take 15min to have more than first alerts, you are already in it and the peak isn't much later. Not sure what that says about the hypothesis that 4-aco-dmt is active on its own.
Is that time enough to get into the blood stream and be metabolized into something active via the liver?


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: LittleBoard]
    #27123958 - 01/03/21 01:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think my problem with 4-aco-dmt is it's too potent.
My Gemini-20 scales don't accurately enough imo.

However, I always weigh 20~mg instead of (100mg - 80mg)
Weighing a larger amount and taking away is more accurate scale wise... but I feel the margin for error is bigger ---- even though this is probably not true.
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Never tried boofing it. When I took 90mg+ orally I was tripping balls in 3minutes and that was pretty nice. No comeup to speak of. Was a rocket straight to the moon. The comeup on shrooms is shitty for me. Less of it the better.
Though this is pretty much the same with all psychedelics personally. MDMA asides


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: bob5]
    #27123962 - 01/03/21 01:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I think my problem with 4-aco-dmt is it's too potent.
My Gemini-20 scales don't accurately enough imo.

However, I always weigh 20~mg instead of (100mg - 80mg)
Weighing a larger amount and taking away is more accurate scale wise... but I feel the margin for error is bigger ---- even though this is probably not true.
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Never tried boofing it. When I took 90mg+ orally I was tripping balls in 3minutes.




Are you using indirect weighing as described in the link in my signature below?
The gem-20 should be plenty accurate for mg substances if used correctly.


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27123986 - 01/03/21 01:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I can't see your signature, i must've disabled them years ago.
I'm coming up on something so I'll steer clear of forum settings tonight..:stoned:

I'll have a read tomorrow though.
I've noticed that under 20mg it doesn't seem to be very accurate in my experience. I use the little bowl it comes with and Tare it.

It does however weigh things like a penny or 2penny pretty much to the milligram which is very impressive.


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: bob5]
    #27124001 - 01/03/21 01:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

bob5 said:
I think my problem with 4-aco-dmt is it's too potent.
My Gemini-20 scales don't accurately enough imo.

However, I always weigh 20~mg instead of (100mg - 80mg)
Weighing a larger amount and taking away is more accurate scale wise... but I feel the margin for error is bigger ---- even though this is probably not true.
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What I would do is weighing out 100mg because thats where the margin of error is much lower and its probably not a linear curve, could be 10% off at 20mg and 1% off at 100mg.

Then you dilute it in 10ml(cc) of vodka and keep that solution in the freezer. I could never discern any potency loss for several months up to a year with this storage method.

Then for dosing I would use a syringe, 1ml or maybe 10ml and just do the math. Thats pretty much the only way with such a scale because at 20mg its likely not accurate enough.


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: bob5]
    #27124004 - 01/03/21 01:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I will quote it. Yeah the trick is to tare add a weight and then weigh differences;

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In order to use an inexpensive milligram scale to measure accurately you need to weigh by difference to measure your active compounds.

This is my procedure for weighing by difference.

I am using protein powder for this demonstration.

1. Tare with little dish


2. Remove dish, place nickel on scale


3. Add empty capsule to dish and put dish back on top of nickel - record weight 5.049


4. Remove dish, fill capsule, put dish back on top of nickel - record weight 5.065
Subtract weight 5.049 from 5.065 to get actives = 16mg (+/- 2mg)



Repeat steps 3-4 for as many capsules being filled.

Sounds more complex than it is. I tried doing this method initially with the 5g weights that come with the scale but a nickel is better because it is flat and doesnt interfere with the use of the little tray. If you find a nice new clean nickel it should be almost exactly 5gr.

Over a session of weighing the base weight may fluctuate slightly but the difference is accurate to the +/- 2 mg whereas trying to just weigh mg from tare never works.

An example of weighing by difference for chemistry






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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: bob5]
    #27124021 - 01/03/21 01:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

bob5 said:
I think my problem with 4-aco-dmt is it's too potent.
My Gemini-20 scales don't accurately enough imo.

However, I always weigh 20~mg instead of (100mg - 80mg)
Weighing a larger amount and taking away is more accurate scale wise... but I feel the margin for error is bigger ---- even though this is probably not true.
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What I would do is weighing out 100mg because thats where the margin of error is much lower and its probably not a linear curve, could be 10% off at 20mg and 1% off at 100mg.

Then you dilute it in 10ml(cc) of vodka and keep that solution in the freezer. I could never discern any potency loss for several months up to a year with this storage method.

Then for dosing I would use a syringe, 1ml or maybe 10ml and just do the math. Thats pretty much the only way with such a scale because at 20mg its likely not accurate enough.

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bob5 said:
I use the little bowl it comes with and Tare it.




Don't tare the bowl just add the weight you want to have on top of the bowl. If you know your bowl is always 1200mg and suddenly its not you know something is off.
Also the scale may ignore small additions around the zero point when you tared. I never tare and always take the bowl completely off, shovel stuff on it, weigh, add/ subtract, weigh again etc.


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Re: 4-ACO-DMT [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27124024 - 01/03/21 01:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I thought that's the smart way to go about it.
And then make a tincture with marked gradients to keep track of the volume lest it evaporate somehow and increase in potency


Oh damn, good advise re; taring. Thanks a lot.


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