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New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity
#27123347 - 01/03/21 07:43 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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There has been a growing awareness among online theology groups about how the teachings of the apostle Paul were not in harmony with the the teachings of Jesus from the gospels, but only recently has a professional documentary on the subject been produced.
Here is the video.
This realization was tremendously helpful for me, having grown up in church and seeing the hypocrisy and hatefulness that goes on there for those that are pure in heart. This is a good introduction to the the solution to that problem, which is to disregard the teachings of Paul and focus completely on the teachings of Jesus from the books of Matthew Mark and John.
Because what I noticed, eventually, is that whenever someone was abusing their power or acting unfairly in church, they always used the teachings of Paul to justify themselves. Never the true teachings of Jesus.
So at the very least, this video might be cause to get them to rethink their attitudes.
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: Hartford] 1
#27127531 - 01/05/21 05:00 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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From my understanding Jesus was teaching and preaching only to the Jews, and from Jesus death and the day of Pentecost onward that the new covenant is introduced allowing all nations to be saved.
I actually get the vibe from this video (only saw around 20 mins) that the producers of this video don't even believe in God or the Bible itself or maybe it's because they hate the God of the Bible and are trying to discredited the Bible like so many haters do? Those who hate the truth of the Bible would love for you to only follow the books of Matthew Mark and John without believing in or reading the rest on the new testament because it ultimately keeps you in living in and by 'The Law', rather then rescue you from it.
Jesus's death and resurrection and the gift of the Holy Spirit allows for the gift of grace (salvation), offered to every man and woman regardless of their race or what they have done.
Also, in all my life of going to church and growing up with Christian parents, I have never seen an example of,
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Hartford said: is that whenever someone was abusing their power or acting unfairly in church, they always used the teachings of Paul to justify themselves.
There are many reason why people 'abuse their power or act unfairly in church', saying it's because of Paul's teachings is something I find hard to believe. Any part of the Bible can be taken out of context and be used and abused by someone.
It's your job as the listener to ether,
A: Go with the flow (say "who cares, whatever!!!" and then go back to sleep or check your smartphone) B: Challenge the bad teaching or C: Run out the door and never go back (and find somewhere new)
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: blessed]
#27127760 - 01/05/21 08:52 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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You seem to have missed the teachings of Jesus regarding how to be saved and what the task at hand actually is, currently, for disciples. Perhaps you were too distracted with other things, like the parable of the sower explains.
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: Hartford]
#27128040 - 01/05/21 11:49 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Ok, I think the best thing is that you please remind me of "what the task at hand actually is, currently, for disciples" so we can better discuss these things.
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: blessed]
#27128128 - 01/05/21 12:24 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Matthew 28:18-20 King James Version
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: blessed]
#27128163 - 01/05/21 12:39 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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blessed said: Ok, I think the best thing is that you please remind me of "what the task at hand actually is, currently, for disciples" so we can better discuss these things.
It's such a hodge podge of teaching one might follow anything and see where it leads.
The admonishment to forgive "seventy times seven" for instance negates the necessity of a police force and civil law.
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: Buster_Brown]
#27128856 - 01/05/21 05:32 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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That applies to brethren, but the point is well made: the teachings of Jesus aren't useful for policing people, but that doesn't make them bad.
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: Hartford]
#27132420 - 01/07/21 08:33 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Thanks for that . Just one more question please.
Would you say that you are born again? (water baptized and spirit filled)
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: Buster_Brown]
#27132490 - 01/07/21 09:23 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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blessed said: Ok, I think the best thing is that you please remind me of "what the task at hand actually is, currently, for disciples" so we can better discuss these things.
It's such a hodge podge of teaching one might follow anything and see where it leads.
The admonishment to forgive "seventy times seven" for instance negates the necessity of a police force and civil law.
I don't think that the Bible intends to be a book of teachings that deals with everyday life and the a-z rules for governing people (especially non believers). In saying that, I believe the Bible does have specific teachings that can be useful/beneficial for the governing of people in a community (including non believers), but at it's core its a spiritual book that has it's main focus on teaching us spiritual ways, principles, truths and teachings that are there to correct us when we lose our spiritual ways.
As for "It's such a hodge podge of teaching one might follow anything and see where it leads", I believe that this is more of a human aspect because people can (and will), take anything out of context and use it to justify all sorts of things.
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As for "It's such a hodge podge of teaching one might follow anything and see where it leads", the Bible will read this way to any person who hasn't had their eyes spiritually* opened or isn't in the process of doing so (with God's help). It's not intended to make complete sense to the non believer/flat out non believer. Understanding comes with believing and receiving God's words.
* Please note: I know many/some of you consider yourself to be a spiritual person, but that you don't/may not believe (in) the Bible, It's not my intention to dismiss what you believe or practice .
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: blessed]
#27132967 - 01/07/21 01:30 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yes. I have been born again.
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: Buster_Brown]
#27133556 - 01/07/21 05:54 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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blessed said: Ok, I think the best thing is that you please remind me of "what the task at hand actually is, currently, for disciples" so we can better discuss these things.
It's such a hodge podge of teaching one might follow anything and see where it leads.
The admonishment to forgive "seventy times seven" for instance negates the necessity of a police force and civil law.
from what I remember Just like in the civil law of man, there are varying degrees of a crime written in the scriptures that can be forgiven "seventy times seven", and a degree that can only be fgiven three times.
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: Hartford]
#27133708 - 01/07/21 06:49 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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blessed said: Any part of the Bible can be taken out of context and be used and abused by someone.
I find this to be true and a fact.
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Hartford said: This realization was tremendously helpful for me, having grown up in church and seeing the hypocrisy and hatefulness that goes on there for those that are pure in heart.
I'm sorry to hear that brother, I was caught in between in the same situation years ago, the sad thing is that my closest bloodlines are also included. but later on I understood its no ones fault being led astray add to it with the on-going famine of this Words, was thankful that I was transferred later on(out of the old wrong concrete churches and wrong teachings) and had been surrounded by like minded fellows nowadays. I feel you'll also find solace someday.
anyway I do hold this Peter's writings in my heart whom also I admire being an illiterate fisherman(unable to read or write) being able to write this out of love later in time 81-96A.D. after learning to read first then wrote:
2 PETER 3 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
same goes for JOHN in REVELATION 22:18-19
I hope you also do find them useful someday.
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: pacmanbreed] 1
#27133865 - 01/07/21 07:40 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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If the things in Paul's letters are so hard that no one can understand them, they're too hard. And that seems to be the case.
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: Hartford]
#27134149 - 01/07/21 09:50 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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ANOTHER GOOD TRANSLATION ERV: as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast(IMPATIENT) wrest(TWIST), as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
most scriptures are, specially during the ROMAN Catholic expedition & their reign after the apostles rested & the few former Christians who are left behind went for fables and left the Good teachings (Ecclesiastes 7:29, 1 TIM 3:4, JER 18:20) while the ones who continued to follow the GOOD OLD PATH where hunted, burn, buried alive, staked, and murdered during the expedition. even fourteen books where taken out by Constantine out of the original compilation. Despite that, the expedition made a way for the good news and the written words to be spread in all around the globe though not fully taught transparently & truthfully in their congregation, those who first translated it in other languages and smuggled it here also tortured and burned after being caught during the expedition. four of our country men here in the east during the 16th hundred where tortured & beheaded while leaving their priesthood after they understood the written WORDS. thanks to this old heroes, that this modern era is finally able to grasp the WORDS little by little.
NO wonder this is written: “Look! The days are coming,” declares the Lord God, “when I will send a famine throughout the land — not a famine of food or a thirst for water — but rather a famine of hearing the words of the Lord. (AMOS 8:11)
One of the reasons that is not fully taught or yet it is false-fully taught with their malpractices.
just like the mandatory material covering of hair(instead of honouring women with that long natural hair as a covering according to PAUL) 1 Corinthians 11:15, KJV: "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering."
priest celibacy which is not actually mandatory, also according to PAUL. 2 tim 3:2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach.
even the man as a head in 1 cor 11:3 is not considered sexism for a wife with a husband who follows Christ, aswell as it doesnt contradict the Torah according the writtings in Genesis.
Hope you also too, see thru contradiction that there is non afterall  . SHALOM, LOVE SPEED  
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: pacmanbreed]
#27135547 - 01/08/21 03:33 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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I guess the only thing left to do now is go to church together. Are you interested in that?
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: Hartford]
#27137620 - 01/09/21 12:48 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Good to hear brother, well of course Yes, the spirit needs nourishment with the word just like the body, the body which I consider as the real church.
We still attend long distance gatherings at our homes 2x a week thru net meetings for safety. I do believe that the first Christians did it too thru written love letters which are now compiled.
 Shalom..
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: pacmanbreed] 1
#27144156 - 01/12/21 04:21 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Why did the Bible stop being written? we have AMAZING writings from thousands of years ago, very hard through out history to preserve, that many lives were martyred for preserving both the actual text and the intelligent interpretation of there meaning. But, why is are Holy Spirit not inspiring authors nowadays aswhell as through out history? Obviously I'm being sarcastic!
"There are many who are inside the Church, but are actually outside the Church because they don't practice the Love and Life of Christ, and there are many who are outside the Church, who are actually inside the Church because they do practice the Love and Life of Christ." -St. Augustin (within a couple centuries of the Bible being "Completed".) I haven't read much of St. Augustine material, but this quote would help the Bible in my humble opinion. and he's got other quotes I like, BTW.
Paul should be Respected and Honored, he's not a bad person even if you disagree with some petty, insignificant lines he wrote, he's like 90% on the same level as you and than he bust out some sexist law that I naturally find disturbing as you probably do. but look how he inspired and converted many by the Power of the Holy Spirit, God bless him, hope to meet him someday and things will be more chill,,, Now let me fix Pauls authority once and for all. As author of the Bible, which is written by People inspired by the Holy Spirit, he did a good Job for the most part, but here's a fact in the Bible, that I Hope you will grasp this idea, this concept, it will free you from some complexities if you got them with disagreement with what written is in the Bible,,,
Remember in the book of Acts and I believe recounted in one of Pauls letters, How Paul came to Peter and the other Jews, Peter would not eat with the Gentiles, the Uncircumcised (the majority of you here on the Shroomery I'm thinking!), Paul saw that and said that is fucked up, were not working together in agreement if you don't befriend ALL people! HE had to correct Peter to his Face, and Peter conceited, he said "ya, you're right! Gentiles are in the pot, I was in the wrong! it was a mistake.",,,
Now, who was Paul to correct Peter? Jesus declared that Peter has the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, whatever he binds on earth, is bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth, is loosed in Heaven. Peter has the highest authority you one can contain, the most ever given in Life, and he's considered the first Pope, who Catholics believe is infallible (I don't agree with this, I'm more interested in the "Old Catholics", there priest are ordained officially, authoritative as ever, but they don't think the Pope is infallible.). And who was Paul? a former persecutor of the Church, Though gracefully, miraculously, Saved.
But, Paul he put the serious issue to Peter hard, corrected him, an error in the stronghold of the Church which would've made history significantly different I think we could imagine. So what authority does Paul have over Peter? Peter did a significant stupid error and Paul was more righteous, the infallible holder of the keys to heaven would've wrote in the Bible some things that would be errors, not truth, ignorant, prejudice statements, the Bible would include errors if Paul wasn't doing his Holy thing and raised above the top Dog, the top Authority, and should be thanked.
So what is the point I'm trying to stress? This will change your disturbance in reading anyone's letter (epistle) included in the wrongfully assumed infallible scripture, the Bible, my point: Why can we not correct Paul's statement's and opinion's just like when Paul corrected Peter? Maybe we should be like "hey Paul, You need to sit next to Gay People! Quit that homophobia junk, there part of Christ too! washed in the blood like you and me, basically equally, we are one!", no joke, I think this way, I know, i'm weird! lol .
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: saintdextro] 1
#27144580 - 01/12/21 07:53 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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They were strongly gifted with the Holy spirit, could speak multiple languages. it's possible it was a miracle that they could write, or they may even had a ghost writer, ya know, just stand behind the writers shoulder preaching the good word, someone had to write them, and they are priceless and glorious.
I think one of the problems people have is there glued to the idea that the Bible has to be 100% accurate, that is just not how I see it, I'm much more comfortable with scripture being fallible than the average person because I got direct experience of the Lord, and yes he's totally fucking awesome like you imagine, my faith in Jesus comes not only from scripture but direct experience, I guess others who haven't experienced miracles are dependent on scripture being there life line, my advice, Meditate, Meditate and Meditate even more, get into obedience, reverence and worship of the lord and pray for your gifts, someone out there will do Miracles bigger than what Jesus did!
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: saintdextro]
#27144583 - 01/12/21 07:55 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I'm not well knowledgeable of St. Augustine but I do admire him having doubts about their own teachings about Purgatory (Eccles 9:10, Eccles 12:7), which has become a gold mine field for some time, together with the doctrines of Limbo for a child. Writing a book against such, are The main reason for J.Rizal execution during late 18th hundreds.
Couldn't agree more specially the ins and outs of a Church. that's a great read, the conversation between brother Paul and Peter, Whisper's A beautiful sound in my ears.
brother Peter who only later on had learned to read Hebrew, and Red the torah/Old testaments as One of the written books during their time, While Recalling Christ Words at old age having remember this by heart-mind as reference.
A poor but wise youth is better than an old but foolish king who will no longer accept advice/correction. Ecclesiastes 4:13
with His wisdom who understood his Lapses/shortcomings as a human, specially being folly while being innocent at heart at young age, suggested making 3 tabernacles / temporary resting place during the Lord's last days on earth, placing Christ at the same level of the men of the past(moses,elijah), forgetting his own words.
"Whom do men say that the Son of Man is?" and had received the replay, "Some say John the Baptist, some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one otof the prophets." Then, in answer to His second question, "Who do you say that I am?" Peter had placed his Lord in a position far higher than that of Elijah, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
this human state lapses are also demonstrated by John who like Peter had to learn to read/write Hebrew to read the old books first, before learning to read/write/speak Greek to teach and write the last books while in his 100 years forgetful old age without his fellow old compeanions. being in his old age he kneeled to Angels which is forbidden as commanded - twice in a short sequence while writing at the peak of the revelation. He needed to record this every moment of revelation as he is his aware of his forgetful state.(Revelation 19:10, Revelation 22:8-9)
same for Solomon being innocently carried away, this old age wisdom was written by David. (Psalm 71:9)
the Apostles had practiced a great equal love to all kinds of men although sometimes by the means of rebuke of love. I do believe that the written words are complete in a sense, although some miss interprets it(which is not ideal) as a part of our human state short comings in this era of kali yuga as it is also prophesied in the scriptures.
sorry to tackle this but one of many kinds of examples of those miss interpretation is, since the writings were split into verses during the early time - some do read this single verse: "As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one; Romans 3:10" then proceeds to teach thy faith and believed alone is the most important aspects of Salvation. but if one proceeds to the next verse Romans 3:11 paints a very different essence. that reflect to the old testaments "The fool says in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. psalm 14:1"
which concludes that not all men, as some men are Seekers. that We must search and specially WE must work for it which lacks to most of US, the majority, as an evidence of that mentioned ins and out of the church in this times.
that aspiration to meet and be with the first before us someday is     
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Re: New documentary on how apostle Paul hijacked Christianity [Re: saintdextro]
#27144728 - 01/12/21 09:30 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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saintdextro said: They were strongly gifted with the Holy spirit, could speak multiple languages. it's possible it was a miracle that they could write, or they may even had a ghost writer, ya know, just stand behind the writers shoulder preaching the good word, someone had to write them, and they are priceless and glorious.
I think one of the problems people have is there glued to the idea that the Bible has to be 100% accurate, that is just not how I see it, I'm much more comfortable with scripture being fallible than the average person because I got direct experience of the Lord, and yes he's totally fucking awesome like you imagine, my faith in Jesus comes not only from scripture but direct experience, I guess others who haven't experienced miracles are dependent on scripture being there life line, my advice, Meditate, Meditate and Meditate even more, get into obedience, reverence and worship of the lord and pray for your gifts, someone out there will do Miracles bigger than what Jesus did!
I could imagine that, speaking in yah own native language while the hearers of the good news heareth it in their own language. after all the heart has its own eyes and ears. Paul mentioned this need of real-time interpreters in a gathering as we practice it.
One of the problem I see most is the purely or mostly academic minded setting in interpretation of the books by majority, specially during the past to this present. I guess this is what you also see and implying upon tackling the accuracy thing. as it is written: "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" -John 3:12, KJV:
add to that, one of many example of the mistranslation which most or all translations are out of context, from hebrew & greek to other languages such as this repost of mine. John, 10:9 - I am the door. If anyone enters in by me, he will be saved, and will go in and go out , and will find pasture. Note. John, 10:9 -I am the door. If anyone enters in by me, he will be saved, And will go in, stay & continue, and will find pasture. This the right translation if we go back to the original hebrew manuscripts.
Although despite all of this errors of US, I believed they aren't purely errors but By the will of the UNIVERSE which is bigger than US, specially as an individual to totally and fully gasp THY will in an instant.
No one can express what the Lord has done, and no one can understand his proposals. Who can measure his glory? Who can narrate his compassion? No man can add to or subtract from them. The mind really could not reach the wonderful works of the Lord.
in terms of accuracy it is accurate as it gets in my part eg. the latter old testament prophecy of Christ, and the young 300 year old science is actually catching up to the phenomenal possibilities of the written words, We are very blessed during this times.
I can imagine that direct experience of yours brother, your very blessed to experience and gasp such magic.
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