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OfflineThisIsTheWay
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ID and Over-picking?
    #27123142 - 01/03/21 02:58 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Hi all, these were found in a location that I’ve going to when the season starts, was located in cow manure after 6 days worth of rain and in the bush/forest. Country/Suburb/state: Australia, North Queensland (Mackay). Assuming non active.


Another question I have is that last year there was hundreds (literally) of cubensis growing in the same location and picked approximately 980-1kg wet. I came back approximately 1 year later around this same time as it has rained for quite some time and the humidity is just right (things are damp not soaking wet) and I only came across 6 in total, two of which were on the way of shrivelling. The question is this because of over picking that pickings are slim or is there another reason?

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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: ThisIsTheWay]
    #27123146 - 01/03/21 03:02 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Copelandia...Killer Find they are quite a bit stronger than cubes 1-2gs dried and your good to go :cheers:


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: HAKR ELITE]
    #27123175 - 01/03/21 03:46 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Seriously?.... you know how many of those I’ve thrown out 🤦‍♂️....


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: ThisIsTheWay]
    #27123339 - 01/03/21 07:36 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

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ThisIsTheWay said:
Another question I have is that last year there was hundreds (literally) of cubensis growing in the same location and picked approximately 980-1kg wet. I came back approximately 1 year later around this same time as it has rained for quite some time and the humidity is just right (things are damp not soaking wet) and I only came across 6 in total, two of which were on the way of shrivelling. The question is this because of over picking that pickings are slim or is there another reason?




In short, picking mushrooms normally won't affect next season's fruiting. There are, however, many things that will make a difference, but
few are related to human activity.


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: Anglerfish] * 1
    #27123676 - 01/03/21 11:15 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Veil remnants lead me to believe they are Panaeolus papilionaceous group


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: Moria841]
    #27123680 - 01/03/21 11:17 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

I Agree With Pan. Paps


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: MpSeph]
    #27123715 - 01/03/21 11:42 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

I see clear bluing in that last pic...since when did paps stain blue?

I know they look pretty strange to be copes but I think its just the overall conditions they were found in or a undescribed which I doubt...Paps have always stained reddish tan for me :shrug:


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: HAKR ELITE]
    #27123735 - 01/03/21 11:52 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

The one in the first 3 pics looks like Panaeolus papilionaceus. I think the last two pics are paps too. It almost looks like bruising, but it doesn't look right for Cope cyan. And it looks like there are veil remnants on the cap too.


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: breeg89]
    #27123811 - 01/03/21 12:30 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

I see the first three and can agree with the remnants of veil on the cap and will admit I didnt look as close as I should have and paid more attention to the bluing in the the last two the first three look to be Paps as stated...But I'm still sticking to my guns for the last two pics being copes or undescribed I've examined them closely and they are staining blue


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: HAKR ELITE]
    #27123911 - 01/03/21 01:06 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

I'd Say It Is Possible The 2 In The Last 2 Pics Are Panaeolus (Copelandia) Cyanescens, But I'd Like To See More Pics Of Those 2 Before Saying For Certain. The Others I'd Say Are Panaeolus Papilionaceus.


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: MpSeph]
    #27123949 - 01/03/21 01:25 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Look like cyans to me....


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: Zifozonke]
    #27124035 - 01/03/21 02:02 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

First three are inactive pan paps.
Last two, probbably the same, but im not so sure, could be cyans.


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: Zifozonke]
    #27124389 - 01/03/21 05:32 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

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First three are inactive pan paps.
Last two, probbably the same, but im not so sure, could be cyans.




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Zifozonke said:
Look like cyans to me....




I agree, one of them has the black spores on the cap dried on even.. with classic bruising.  I was gonna say the last picture with those two are def cyans, the first pics with just the one is no cyan.


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: Typerwritermonky] * 2
    #27124559 - 01/03/21 07:09 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

I think I see the bruising now, those ones bruising blue could be P. cyanescens or a similar bluing Panaeolus sp.


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    #27125149 - 01/04/21 03:03 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Very cool species. I was gonna guess Pan Tropicalis. Awesome find! :popcorn:


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Re: ID and Over-picking? [Re: ThisIsTheWay] * 1
    #27125202 - 01/04/21 04:07 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Panaeolus cyanescens group, but probably not Panaeolus cyanescens.  Definitely needs study!  Photos of them in their native habitat especially of several at different stages of development would be helpful.


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