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    #27122164 - 01/02/21 02:05 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

I’ve noticed more and more overcompliance regarding mask wearing. Now I see car drivers who are by themselves wearing a mask. I’ve noticed people on Zoom calls who are sitting at their kitchen table at home and wearing a mask. My neighbor lives in a large home with a big lawn and she sits alone on her front porch wearing a mask. Any thoughts about the motivation for overcompliance – wearing a mask when there's no risk? Has the firestorm of fear porn that’s been driven by the media caused some folks to believe all the air on the planet might be contaminated? Is unnecessary mask wearing a type of virtue signaling - a way to advertise to others you are one of the good people who follows the rules?


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Re: overcompliance [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27122554 - 01/02/21 06:07 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

I wear it when I leave the apartment;
if I take it off outside, there is no guarantee of 6 feet distancing, and I can lose it, mess up my headphones, hat and glasses trying to put it back on, etc.
I take it off at home and wash it.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27122683 - 01/02/21 07:07 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

I see some people use a lanyard around the neck, so the mask can be removed periodically and replaced without needing to hold it or put it away in a nasty pocket. That's a nifty idea. 

Some folks have changed their social media avatars to a selfie of themselves with a mask on. I assume it's a way to promote masks. I've heard some people refer to a segment of the population as "anti-maskers". So a masked avatar advertises you are not a "anti-masker".   

That must be why someone would sit at home in their kitchen on a Zoom call wearing a mask.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27123264 - 01/03/21 06:24 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

home kitchen and zoom needs no mask unless home has an infected person, or a quarantiner


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Re: overcompliance *DELETED* [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #27124500 - 01/03/21 06:35 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: overcompliance [Re: laughingdog]
    #27125595 - 01/04/21 08:49 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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I’ve noticed more and more overcompliance regarding mask wearing.




No, IMO, you have noticed a habit and then made a judgement.

The question is why you make a judgement and why it bothers you, enough to make to make a pejorative judgement.




I noticed a behavior and have been curious about it. I didn't intend to argue or judge anyone.

The topic was not about obedience to rules. Overcompliance appears to be about something else.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #27125656 - 01/04/21 09:24 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

fastidiousness
posturing
victorianism
puritania

and probably a host of fears related to death and disease.

I have observed it too, but mostly peoples' noses poking out over the top of their COVID masks illustrates the fundamental idiocy mixed into everything we try to achieve.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27126093 - 01/04/21 12:39 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Yeah, I just wear one inside buildings and in crowded situations outside as a pedestrian. It makes no sense to wear one inside a car imo. I mean, anyone in another car, is in their own pod (car), so theres two air filters between us and definitely physical distancing. To be six feet from another driver to to ride their ass or box them in from the side, which I don't do.

My car is my domain.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: skOsH]
    #27126223 - 01/04/21 01:51 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

my car is a prison, every time I enter it, I am expected to go somewhere and then return, even if I don't want to, and usually that is the case.

why would I want to be stuck on a highway performing death defying antics with millions of other carooming suckers when I could be at home reading or anything else without a seat belt.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #27126379 - 01/04/21 03:08 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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I’ve noticed more and more overcompliance regarding mask wearing. Now I see car drivers who are by themselves wearing a mask. I’ve noticed people on Zoom calls who are sitting at their kitchen table at home and wearing a mask. My neighbor lives in a large home with a big lawn and she sits alone on her front porch wearing a mask. Any thoughts about the motivation for overcompliance – wearing a mask when there's no risk? Has the firestorm of fear porn that’s been driven by the media caused some folks to believe all the air on the planet might be contaminated? Is unnecessary mask wearing a type of virtue signaling - a way to advertise to others you are one of the good people who follows the rules?




I assume people have different reasons or none at all about being over compliant in wearing masks.  Maybe one person is uninformed and thinks the virus is lurking through the internet, another wants to signal to others to wear masks when appropriate, another forgot to take it off when they got in the car it’s more comfortable on and their used to it.  :shrug:


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Re: overcompliance *DELETED* [Re: Yellow Pants] * 1
    #27126745 - 01/04/21 05:50 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: overcompliance [Re: laughingdog]
    #27127140 - 01/04/21 09:34 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I'm not sure it's about judgement. I had a friend who pulled up wearing a mask. I told them they didn't need to use it while in the car. They quit doing that. I see people driving around with masks. I feel the same desire to say something... yet I wouldn't even if given the opportunity because it would seem intrusive, and possibly political, and they might think a stranger was trying to trick them into getting them sick, so I would say nothing unless it was in some other context that felt friendly.

See that bothered me at first, but I don't really think about it now. Because what's the point? It's just wasted concern.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27127360 - 01/05/21 01:59 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

A habit continued.

I still use my indicators on private roads, driveways and areas no one is near.

Because it's a good habit to have and some people feel safer with the mask on. Especially when they live in a country full of people who would spit on you if they had aids.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27130576 - 01/06/21 02:00 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
my car is a prison, every time I enter it, I am expected to go somewhere and then return, even if I don't want to, and usually that is the case.

why would I want to be stuck on a highway performing death defying antics with millions of other carooming suckers when I could be at home reading or anything else without a seat belt.




I get it, I think there are those who enjoy driving and those who don't, everyone has their reasons. I like it, but it also is terrifying sometimes.

I do try and limit my driving to when I actually have to. Used to joyride, but I was just s teenager back then


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Re: overcompliance [Re: skOsH]
    #27132020 - 01/07/21 12:16 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

I have seen people doing all of those things since March 2020. Nothing new. I see some joggers with masks. I see people in their cars with masks.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27132044 - 01/07/21 12:38 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Yeah I would say that people might just want to wear masks in those situations, personal preference. If they feel better with one on or if they just started doing it one day and it's part of their routine, can't really complain.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #27132156 - 01/07/21 03:41 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

would you suddenly remove your undergarments the moment you don't need them, and actually why do you need them anyway?

e.g. what is the actual purpose of underpants?


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Re what is the actual purpose of underpants? *DELETED* [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27132184 - 01/07/21 04:34 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: Re what is the actual purpose of underpants? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27132192 - 01/07/21 04:51 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

thus we establish the practice of still wearing underpants when we do not actually need to at all times, and the same goes for the mask.

why take it off if it means you have to put it back on again, and let it be at least as comfortable as your underpants.

I think Borat made this clear in his recent Film.



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Re: overcompliance [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27132982 - 01/07/21 01:34 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

If I'm going a couple of places that are within 10 minutes of each other I'll wear a mask while driving, two masks really an N95 with a baffle to protect myself and a surgical mask to cover the baffle. Likewise if I'm walking and it's 15 minutes to or from home, I'll wear the mask not for protection so much as to protect the integrity of the N95.


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Re: Re what is the actual purpose of underpants? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27133308 - 01/07/21 03:57 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

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thus we establish the practice of still wearing underpants when we do not actually need to at all times, and the same goes for the mask.

why take it off if it means you have to put it back on again, and let it be at least as comfortable as your underpants.




It's similar logic as choosing not to make your bed or coil the garden hose. Why do the task if you will just have to make your bed and roll up the hose again? And again. And again. I'm glad most of us wash our laundry though.


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Re: Re what is the actual purpose of underpants? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27133334 - 01/07/21 04:09 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

What I'm wondering is why restaurants and other places that allow you to take your mask off at times when the risk from sharing air is best documented source of infection make a big deal about disinfecting surfaces. "We're doing a deep cleaning."  :lol:


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Re: Re what is the actual purpose of underpants? [Re: falcon]
    #27135450 - 01/08/21 02:46 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I don't understand why we can't have UV-C filters in HVAC


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Re: Re what is the actual purpose of underpants? [Re: skOsH]
    #27135463 - 01/08/21 02:53 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

:shrug: Cost, they wouldn't be that effective without making sure that airflow in a space avoids anybody breathing anyones exhalations before air has been through the HVAC system is the first thing the comes to mind. I don't know how effective the UV-C systems are, but the last time I looked the virus had a half life that would make it expensive to do with moving air another instance of cost being a factor.


Probably doable, probably not for a small business right now. There probably hasn't been enough testing done on how effective it would be to count on it.


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Re: Re what is the actual purpose of underpants? [Re: falcon] * 1
    #27135546 - 01/08/21 03:31 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

i make a point of not wearing a mask in public to make sure everybody knows i am one of the bad guys


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Re: Re what is the actual purpose of underpants? [Re: greenladel]
    #27135561 - 01/08/21 03:38 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

that would do it


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    #27136113 - 01/08/21 07:19 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: Re what is the actual purpose of underpants? [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #27148599 - 01/14/21 08:31 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

I often wear my mask when I'm cold, when my allergies are acting up (the humidity helps sooth my sinuses a bit), etc, even when alone. Masks are kinda just...useful articles of clothing lol. Not really an "overcompliance" issue.


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Re: Re what is the actual purpose of underpants? [Re: Chorb] * 2
    #27149346 - 01/15/21 08:43 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

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I often wear my mask when I'm cold, when my allergies are acting up (the humidity helps sooth my sinuses a bit), etc, even when alone. Masks are kinda just...useful articles of clothing lol. Not really an "overcompliance" issue.



hopwefully the veil will cease being ostracized, after masks are fully accepted.
also we are hopeful that mask-hating wont increase veil hating and other anti-muslim or anti-other tendencies.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27150639 - 01/15/21 10:12 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

I caught covid from firefighter/paramedics who I always wore a mask around...n95. It turned out most had covid at the time. It is no guarantee. Fortunately it only took me out for a week. I got a couple small pre-existing conditions, but I am a pretty big and strong guy even in my 50s. Being stupid about it is a social thing...becoming a weird status thing...not a real need. Outside...in your car...alone...not necessary. The help it provides is 50/50. My state right now is the worst covid spot on Earth...welcome to Arizona...lol.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #27150641 - 01/15/21 10:15 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

Lets all go into permanent quarantine. We can eat rats attracted to the mounds of trash and the flesh of those who couldn't hang...


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Re: overcompliance [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #27167526 - 01/24/21 04:18 PM (3 years, 4 days ago)

Although Fauci has repeatedly insisted during the last 9 months schools should remain open, many millions of kids remain at home in quarantine isolation. Is ignoring Fauci’s expert view about this issue overcompliance? Or maybe Fauci is wrong and should be ignored. Fauci has such a stellar approval rating, it’s interesting so many unions and district leaders and politicians think they know better than the great Lord Fauci. Maybe the "Better safe than sorry" overcompliance approach is harmful in this situation?


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Re: overcompliance [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27168120 - 01/24/21 10:05 PM (3 years, 3 days ago)

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Although Fauci has repeatedly insisted during the last 9 months schools should remain open, many millions of kids remain at home in quarantine isolation. Is ignoring Fauci’s expert view about this issue overcompliance? Or maybe Fauci is wrong and should be ignored. Fauci has such a stellar approval rating, it’s interesting so many unions and district leaders and politicians think they know better than the great Lord Fauci. Maybe the "Better safe than sorry" overcompliance approach is harmful in this situation?




My wife is a teacher. She prefers the classroom but if grandma died because grandson gave her covid lawsuits erupt. Even if grandson just got the sniffles. Dr. Fauci gives scientific data but he is not a lawyer.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #27168238 - 01/24/21 11:28 PM (3 years, 3 days ago)

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Although Fauci has repeatedly insisted during the last 9 months schools should remain open, many millions of kids remain at home in quarantine isolation. Is ignoring Fauci’s expert view about this issue overcompliance? Or maybe Fauci is wrong and should be ignored. Fauci has such a stellar approval rating, it’s interesting so many unions and district leaders and politicians think they know better than the great Lord Fauci. Maybe the "Better safe than sorry" overcompliance approach is harmful in this situation?




My wife is a teacher. She prefers the classroom but if grandma died because grandson gave her covid lawsuits erupt. Even if grandson just got the sniffles. Dr. Fauci gives scientific data but he is not a lawyer.




This is actually a very interesting point I hadn't considered; the ramifications of empirical science vs human mad (preference, lol) law.

That could be a paper, lol.


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Re: overcompliance [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27168336 - 01/25/21 01:47 AM (3 years, 3 days ago)

Yeah but how do you prove who gave covid to whom if you can still transmit with a mask and no symptoms?

If you test everyone for infection and more than one have a positive result, were wearing masks and social distancing then good luck with any lawsuit

Who should be responsible if it's a chain of infections? The first person? All of them?


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